To all ATHEISTS out there.

a reply to: St0rD

Angry much, bro?

a reply to: Raggedyman

Would you like some leaflets so you can join our atheist religion?

They have pretty pictures and everything.

So far, we have science, a white monkey, coffee AND poop, but I'm sure we can expand to include other things.

originally posted by: St0rD

To all atheists out there I must be honest, the more I go through life the more I find it hard to go along with you guys. A lot claim to be more wise and more intelligent than those who believe and rely on an ''imaginary being''. Well let me tell you something - you #ing rely on something. Something that is called science.
You believe only science can get us out of this #ing mess. Well here is something that science is already telling you.. even though it has not even discovered 10% of the universe:"

Not I, we will never have all the variables to make a correct data set imo. Even if we did being what we are we'd use that info to solely benefit us, which I disagree with.

"All of creation is perfectly created. All of creation is intelligently designed. Nothing is left unchecked and everything lives in symbiosis (except for humans, ironically). We all know about the big bang. It claims that from nothing appeared everything. So, consciousness and intelligence spawned out of... #ing nowhere?

I don't know what caused the big bang, so I can't take god totally out of the realm of possibilities, just the biblical personifies version. Negative energy ie pressure condensed the energy until it created a positive imo, what created the pressure whether a containment source or other big bangs I'm not really sure, could be god. There is only negative and positive energy, and the reaction between and amongst themselves, however it comes in many forms. Intelligence is a man made word, it's only relative, evolution doesn't just happen it's a long term event.

'' Nothing is destroyed, nothing is created, everything is transformed''

"That's basic science ffs. And yet you guys still look up on believers? Everywhere you look can see hints and proofs of an ultimate intelligent being. Yet, you still deny that to have such a marvelous and gigantic universe you have got to have a #ing OVERWHELMING power somewhere behind all of it."

Those proofs or miracles are just percentage based possibilities of something happening in and extended time.

"I find it disturbing to see how such small human beings permit themselves to jugde such a tremendous work of creation and put man above all. Above nature, above animals and even above God. Just as I speak scientists are actively working to 'perfect creation' through DNA engineering and other #ed up stuff."

To assume that god created the universe for us is inflating our importance to me. I disagree with reengineering the world or further for our own needs, that's why even though I disagree at least with the accepted version of god I still lean to the conservative side of the isle. Nobody fits entirely into any group context. You identify yourself in group context to get someone in the ballpark and work from there.

We are babies learning to walk in the cosmos and yet we think we can still manipulate reality just as we please.
THAT is insanity, wake up ffs!


P.S: Little proof of total infiniteness.

Matthew 5:37

Let your yes be Yes' and your "No be No', anything more than this comes from the evil one.

If your going to be an atheist, be a good and devoted one.... you have the right. I will not agree with you, but that should mean nothing to you anyway.
My Daughter is an atheist-agnostic... it saddens me.

originally posted by: Lysergic
a reply to: St0rD

science is a method of testing hypothesis. ...

not a belief system.

And what is an hypothesis but a belief of something unproven ?

originally posted by: GeauxHomeYoureDrunk
a reply to: St0rD

Free will means free to believe or to NOT believe. Leave the Atheists alone. I've never had an Atheist ringing my doorbell trying to push their way into my house to force their beliefs down my throat.

My goodness, yes.

I'm pretty fed up with the groups showing up on our porch several times a month who refuse to take no for an answer. If I don't to go to the door when they knock, I've had them knock on our living room window. Seriously. That's ridiculous.

I believe in the spiritual, but don't subscribe to the idea that there is a single deity who created all.

a reply to: Gothmog

an educated guess.

not dogma.

I had a reply ready to post then my cheap sh*t S8 crashed. I DO NOT recommend Android.

Anyway, the gist of what I wanted to say is that each of us has to come to the truth in our own way, in our own time, and on our own terms.

Everyone's truth is different. You can't dictate that path for others. You have no right to dictate it.

I grew up Catholic, a religion which taught me to hate so much that I turned to atheism. After years of struggle I've ended up a Deist.

No one has the right to write the itinerary of your life but you, and you must let others do the same.

a reply to: Plotus

An atheist and an agnostic are two different ideologies. One proclaims "there is absolutely no God," the other proclaims they "do not know," nor do they think it's possible to know with any degree of certainty. That's​ a pretty significant difference.

originally posted by: Lysergic
a reply to: Gothmog

an educated guess.

not dogma.

Educated guess yes, but without all variables and only how we coincide them with our limited time frame. We will never have all the variables and what we deem constants, are only constants based on a very limited time of study. From my memory every year in school the earth was a half million to a million years older, that allows a lot of change in each hypothesis extrapolated from the initial info. Plus if we believe evolution to be true why would we assume the universe isn't constantly changing. By the way i do believe in evolution I just don't assume scientist are infallible, gotta keep grant money coming in, they have human emotions and problems just like the rest of us.

Just a quick question.

If God/Jesus deemed humans to have free will, how can prophecy exist in the same context?

I don't tell you or anyone else what to believe, I expect the same in return.

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: GeauxHomeYoureDrunk
a reply to: St0rD
I've never had an Atheist ringing my doorbell trying to push their way into my house to force their beliefs down my throat.

Interesting how there are atheists in this thread now making unrelated comments to cause derision
They are no different, probably worse than door knockers in my opinion

At least if you ask the door knockers to never come back in a polit courteous way, they won't
Here they think it's fun and continue

Yeah, funny you put atheists on the cross as living martyrs but unfortunately, they are no better
This post proves it

You can't compare people on a message board to people in the real world. In real life if you crossed paths with anyone participating in this thread most likely the only exchange between you would be a polite smile or nod if even that- not a persecusory debate of belief in deity vs. non-belief. This post proves nothing but how easily butthurt people get.

And for the record: no matter how politely or how rudely you request the religious door knockers to leave and not return they always come back anyway.

originally posted by: SpeakerofTruth
a reply to: Plotus

An atheist and an agnostic are two different ideologies. One proclaims "there is absolutely no God," the other proclaims they "do not know," nor do they think it's possible to know with any degree of certainty. That's​ a pretty significant difference.

An atheist is someone who lacks belief in God. Yes many atheists go the extra step to declare there is no God. That is their opinion and not a reflection of the definition of Atheist. The agnostic who doesn't know, also does not have a belief in God, so can be considered atheists.

If you don't know, you lack an active belief that there is. Thus, atheist.

Imo.

originally posted by: St0rD

To all atheists out there I must be honest, the more I go through life the more I find it hard to go along with you guys.

Enjoy your evening.

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: Lysergic
a reply to: St0rD

science is a method of testing hypothesis. ...

not a belief system.

And what is an hypothesis but a belief of something unproven ?

hy·poth·e·sis
hīˈpäTHəsəs/Submit
noun
a supposition or proposed explanation made on the basis of limited evidence as a starting point for further investigation.

In case you were actually wanting to know...

a reply to: St0rD

Yet, you still deny that to have such a marvelous and gigantic universe you have got to have a #ing OVERWHELMING power somewhere behind all of it.

The universe is not just gigantic, space-time is most likely infinite according to our current understanding of the universe. The size and complexity doesn't change the fact it could be naturally occurring. I see nothing nothing mystical or intelligently designed when I look at a galaxy, I see a cluster of matter behaving according to well defined laws of physics and those laws are never broken. I am actually agnostic because there is still a chance that nothing could exist without a creator, but there are also perfectly reasonable scientific explanations of how the universe could be created. And for the record do not subscribe to the classical Big Bang theory, it leaves too many open questions.

originally posted by: SpeakerofTruth
a reply to: Plotus

An atheist and an agnostic are two different ideologies. One proclaims "there is absolutely no God," the other proclaims they "do not know," nor do they think it's possible to know with any degree of certainty. That's​ a pretty significant difference.

You seem confused. this is how it works:

gnostic: a knowing
agnostic: not knowing
theist: belief in deities
atheist: disbelief in deities

a gnostic-atheist KNOWS there is no god (somehow...)

a agnostic-atheist doesn't know, and so basically doesn't believe in deities until a time comes where evidence suggests otherwise

a gnostic theist: KNOWS there are god(s) (somehow...)
a agnostic theist doesn't know if there are deities, but will believe in one for...reasons.

Hope that clears up things for you..basically gnostics (be it theists or atheists) are a--holes

originally posted by: Lysergic
a reply to: St0rD

science is a method of testing hypothesis. ...

not a belief system.

You sure about that? Pick any three random UFO threads and read through all the replies. There are people who do indeed seem to regard science as a belief system, and they also seem to think that our current science is the answer to absolutely everything, which is astonishing to me because science is always changing...new discoveries are made, etc.

Science is supposed to ask questions, open even more doors...not shut them and put out the "Closed" sign. When people venerate our arguably limited scientific knowledge in that way, making it the absolute in every scenario, it definitely looks like a belief system...and one that pushes its views upon people at times to the point of harassment. If you wonder what happened to all the really awesome, intelligent UFO threads, there's your answer.

While you are sitting on the ground, wringing your hands about something very insignificant that isn't going your way, praying to God to send you a sign, help, instruction, a wife or Jesus, I will get off my ass and proceed to do something about any and every situation that arises and not waste any time wondering where that invisible grey haired man in the sky is.

I'll be willing to bet that I have a lot better life than you...

BTW, the beautiful pictures of Orion look like chaos to me (they are still beautiful, but...)

Atheists will be your only friend in the clash of civilizations, so long as they defend your right to believe as you defend their right not to believe. Truth is, books are so great and many, that to derive what to believe from only one seems a fatal mistake.