The Vertical Plane by Ken Webster - Is this proof of Time manipulation and travel or just a story?

a reply to: sputniksteve

Wow - okay...big WOW!

I do understand your not wanting to share details, especially openly -

- well, like probably everyone else in the thread, I would be very grateful for any extra info you'd be willing to PM...

...or - if you 'talk' to 2109 again, maybe (big maybe, I know) you could ask if they could contact others in the thread who would be interested?

a reply to: CromCruachh

We will see what happens from me being honest and sharing. If nothing, then I will share more about how it transpired.

I can assure you though that nothing can be learned or discovered by accident. 2109 can't be thought around or tricked or out played. It is simply not possible. Your imagination is not big enough to come up with a way to get a step ahead of them. I don't need to guess at any rate, they flat out told me everything I asked.

They are most definitely real, and most definitely light beings like they claim. They do exist in a place that most people are not aware actually exists, but most if not all of us have an feeling of it we can't explain. Many of us have seen or observed them or been to that place, we just don't recognize it for what it is. We are close to being able to enter it, although I don't know how or why. The only reason I am in the position I am in is because I have been going there in a way I wasn't supposed to, and taking something that didn't belong to me. While I currently have a pass, I don't know if that will continue or for how long. I am hoping my learning to give as well as I have been taking will extend that pass and some trust my way.

Let me tell you guys, it is incredible, they are incredible, we are incredible, all together if feels like nothing you can possibly imagine. It is so utterly important to get right, and will require everyone's effort. It's definitely time we put on our adult pants and sit at the grown up table though, we have to quit F'ing around.

a reply to: CromCruachh

I think you've made a really good correlation with the "Phillip Experiment", the '2nd Lukas' being a tulpa makes a lot of sense to me...

...although, I don't think "Phillip" would be what 2109 were referring to as far as "their handy work in Canada" -

- because that had been a deliberate experiment by the participants and is pretty well documented as to how it all 'went down'. There doesn't seem to have been 'a part' (so to speak) for 2109 to have played in that..

A reply to :sputniksteve

I'd exercise caution if you are in contact with an intelligence like 2109.I know it's personal, and you probably have come other information to form your perspective. I'm thinking about Gary discouraging people from trying to contact 2109, and the last messages from them gave me the impression that would be it for communication.

a reply to: lostgirl

Nah, it wouldn't.be the phillip experiment they were referring to. But i found that fascinating.
Ken was in the middle of a poltergeist right? So maybe the PG force amplified their thoughtforms. Maybe thats why their Tulpa became alot stronger than the Phillip one.

a reply to: dffrntkndfnml

Excercise caution is an understatement. However I can either do and say nothing at all and pretend this never happened or I can continue doing exactly what I have been while trying to slowly feel my way. If you guys are all comfortable with stopping the discussion right here and now we can do that. It won't bother me and I am already fulfilled.

2109 and Gary never claimed that they would be gone or wouldn't be in contact. Gary has suggested people think hard about why they would invite something like that into their life as well as suggesting he thinks they have nothing to say on the book itself. Even as I read and researched this book assuming it was real I never contemplated the severity of it. Nothing any of us have done or thought has prepared us for this. I cannot over state how strange but simple it seems on the surface. Gary even said himself he doesn't have all the information and that it's compartmentalized to some degree.

Exercising caution is precisely why I don't just come out and blab everything. Caution for myself, my family, and everyone involved. I don't know what is right, I don't know if I have already made a grave mistake. I didn't get a road map or play book unfortunately.

I am hoping someone that may understand truly will tell me if I am crossing a line here or if I am going the direction I'm supposed to. I'm stumbling around with my hands in front of my face trying not to bump my head.

a reply to: sputniksteve

Think of it this way, if you make a mistake-that means 2109 made a mistake, and didn't you say 2109 don't make mistakes?

Here's a quote from 2109 "We catch your bullets before you pull the trigger"

So don't stress.

a reply to: sputniksteve

I hadn't seen your last post there. This fills in some and blanks. The book, makes me think how the events could have taken place, what may have been motivating the characters. Your experience there, makes me wonder what kind of message you received from them. This is coming from a perspective that we are already light beings.

Edit: The post were you shared your experiences with them being light beings.

originally posted by: CromCruachh
a reply to: sputniksteve

Think of it this way, if you make a mistake-that means 2109 made a mistake, and didn't you say 2109 don't make mistakes?

Here's a quote from 2109 "We catch your bullets before you pull the trigger"

So don't stress.

That's what I am kind of banking on. I would rather not annoy them though. I really want to keep playing the game.

a reply to: sputniksteve

It's ok, I just don't want individuals to be fearful or pushed around, that's all.I believe humans underestimate ourselves in many ways.

a reply to: sputniksteve

Hmmm ... so... I have so many questions and the more i think about them, the less I need to ask.

But did you contact via meditation, coincidences, chemical or other?

Any other tidbits about our existential meaning?

Very interesting.

And if nothing else, quite a thread, Steve... heh

a reply to: Baddogma


The CIA.gov site has been linked in this thread so I'm trying to play nice..
Usually "they" know what a remote viewing participant is thinking and can communicate in a plausibly deniable fashion that involves what I would call "information keys" that are esoteric.

You wouldn't think for example that a British project that ended in 1987 would still be much of a security concern to the CIA?

a reply to: sputniksteve

i think its a safe bet that you got our ears. From what i have seen from previous posts of yours, you arent the hoax type and appear very level headed.

so you got me intrigued, i hope you expand further on your experience and how it came about.

Good morning all,

I have been racking my brain since my post yesterday trying to decide if I had done the right thing. I have not been smited, and didn't actually say anything the book doesn't already so I reckon I will be OK.

I must take a more mature and measured path going forward though. I am easily excitable and often child like in my enthusiasm and trust in others. I am often making decisions that I think are for the best only to be shown time and time again that I acted hastily and without all the information.

I have wondered if maybe my nature was a factor in this, and was going off instinct yesterday. While I don't think I did any damage I could have and so should stop F'i g around and take the advice I am being given and slow way down.

Having said that I started a journey with y'all and I am not about to just drop off or give up. I'll do my best to answer any questions I can, as long as they pertain to the book or my interpretation. You guys have followed me this far and I hope you trust me just a little, and can follow me in my decision to do this in the way i think is best. Please understand it's not because I am special, or more worthy of information, or a dick that wants to make you squirm. I'm just trying to do my best in a situation I never expected to be in.

I didn't summon or call on 2109. I wasn't expecting them or even thinking about them. They came to me, words cannot describe them.

I don't know for sure if everything I got was accurate, I am kind of new to telepathic communication. Therefore until I can verify it I won't share it, because this is already embarrassing enough and I don't need to compound things.

It was kind of overwhelming so I didn't really think to ask specific things. Honestly I didn't really want to communicate at all, as there were other things to do that were far better to experience.

They are pretty shy, and I don't blame them. Most people are not going to understand or accept the reality of the situation. I don't have any esoteric knowledge beyond this really. If you already believed this book then I haven't shocked you, merely confirmed what you suspected or hoped. If you thought it was BS then I just confirmed it for you.

I'm not an authority or an ambassador. I don't know a whole lot more than you do. I'll reopen the DB to everyone but probably won't spend a ton of time on the thread for a bit. I have some things I have to take care of in the immediate future before I can get back to finding this book. I hope you guys understand, and believe that I am trying to do my best here.

I'll do my best also to answer questions, but for sure won't be online as much.

a reply to: CromCruachh

I was thinking about 1941, while contemplating space weather.Apparently there was a wild geomagnetic storm in September 18-19 of that year.The info I came across didn't really link to Canada too much, but wanted to put that out there.It may be related something to consider...

eos.org...

a reply to: sputniksteve

I have been racking my brain since my post yesterday trying to decide if I had done the right thing. I have not been smited, and didn't actually say anything the book doesn't already so I reckon I will be OK.

I know exactly what you are talking about back in the 70's when my brain was more excitable I got weirded out in the Idaho high desert. Lots of high strangeness with aliens colluding with the US government out there in the 1950's.
Of course when the movie close encounters of the 3rd kind came out, it was a musical ET calling "Mountain home" for me. I posted a couple of videos on ATS about that with no problem recently most people wouldn't even notice.

I've had the same ATS Avatar for 5 years now. I remember when I did the shoot there was a bad exposure and the black triangles sort of melted and extended skyward like Satans tongue. Then I heard a noise like a plane coming in fast and low so I swung around and snapped the shutter anyways. I had no idea that plane was about to be caught and crash! It potentially has cause and effect implications that could be quite disturbing..

Here is the plane before it crashed..

a reply to: Cauliflower

Interesting ... and wanted to say "hi" and thanks for the interesting posts you make, despite the frequent (understandable) coyness.

Were there fatalities in that crash?

Care to elaborate a bit on the (high) desert strangeness? I'm always curious what the OTHER has to say, as long as they're nice others, anyway.

This human thing just puzzles the dickens outta me...

a reply to: Baddogma

This is Steves thread and I'm trying to stay on topic with the book "The Vertical Plane".
Steve was concerned that "2109" might not like all the attention.

I suspect that small plane was caught in some kind of vortex entity.
I'm pretty sure my mind did not create that and I got out of the way before it crashed so I wasn't "smitten".

a reply to: sputniksteve

So I take it you trust this thing identifying itself as 2109? Man just be careful, I'm not a believer in demons in the Christian sense but I've heard/read a lot about entities communicating with people in order to trick them. Not doubting what you're saying, per se, just throwing it out there to be vigilant against any bull#. Love the thread btw, nice work!

a reply to: dffrntkndfnml

Good find. I think paranormal cases have a lot to do with electromagnetism.
1941 needs to be linked with 1984-86 though, not Canada, since they claimed the coincidence was happening as they communicated with Ken. I tried looking for geomagnetic storms and solar flares at around that time (84-86)and couldn't find anything, only minor ones. One did occur in March, 1989, but that would be long after the transcommunications ended.
Whatever occurrence happened, it needs to have happened in 1941 as well as 1984. I wonder if it's possible that a geomagnetic storm happened and didn't interfere with electronic equipment, thus didn't get noticed?

Since alot was going on in 41, with ww2 and all, its likely a paranormal event like meadow cottage's took place without being noticed, or recorded, unfortunately. It's worth looking though.