In Defense of Hate Speech

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Hazardous1408
I'm sorry, well I'm not actually, I refuse to defend a radical hate preacher brainwashing young and/or illiterate minds with their 72 virgins schtick...

The same way I refuse to defend a neo-Nazi brainwashing a young impressionable delinquent into a life of hatred and possible violence.


You can. But I won't.

You're too busy enjoying your freedoms to defend them.

Our freedoms as you call them are precarious at best.

Our freedoms are duties and obligations. Your right to speak your mind is my duty not to silence you. Freedoms are precarious insofar as no one sees them as their own duty and obligation to provide them for others.

a reply to: InTheLight

There free speech ends at your nose.

originally posted by: Hazardous1408
I'm sorry, well I'm not actually, I refuse to defend a radical hate preacher brainwashing young and/or illiterate minds with their 72 virgins schtick...

The same way I refuse to defend a neo-Nazi brainwashing a young impressionable delinquent into a life of hatred and possible violence.


You can. But I won't.

Your post got me thinking.

Living in a free society does not mean that a people are free from responsibility.

On the contrary. a free society has a greater responsibility to protect and defend all freedoms.

Or else it stops being a free society.

Sometimes I think forgive them, they know not what they do.
Then they do something to make me think f them they know exactly what they are doing.
Many so called liberals have been indoctranated to the extent that they can not, will not, accept anything that goes against what they have been taught to think.

They are everything they should not be.

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: InTheLight

There free speech ends at your nose.

Free speech begins at your ears and mind.

a reply to: Hazardous1408

What might convince you otherwise?

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Hazardous1408
I'm sorry, well I'm not actually, I refuse to defend a radical hate preacher brainwashing young and/or illiterate minds with their 72 virgins schtick...

The same way I refuse to defend a neo-Nazi brainwashing a young impressionable delinquent into a life of hatred and possible violence.


You can. But I won't.

You're too busy enjoying your freedoms to defend them.

Our freedoms as you call them are precarious at best.

Our freedoms are duties and obligations. Your right to speak your mind is my duty not to silence you. Freedoms are precarious insofar as no one sees them as their own duty and obligation to provide them for others.

We are not in control of our freedoms, others are. Precarious at best.

The problem with hate speech is someone needs to define it as hate speech.

Who gets to choose what is hate speech and what isn't.

The Westboro Baptist Church believe they are showing love for their fellow man and see anything voicing support for
homosexuality as hate speech.

The gays think WBC is voicing hate speech by condemning homosexuality.

It kinda seems like rebranded thoughtcrime.

To steal from Patrice O'neal....

"Why can't I hate you, with speech?"

a reply to: InTheLight

Not liking what someone says is not a cause to stop what they are saying.

When talk becomes actions (illegal-violent) then it is time to stop there actions-not their speech.

a reply to: DBCowboy

There is no such thing as a free society. Anywhere on the planet.
It just doesn't exist.
You can be imprisoned in any country, on any continent, for any number of stupid things.

So the next best thing is a decent society.
That's one not filled with incitement to violence, in my opinion.

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: InTheLight

Not liking what someone says is not a cause to stop what they are saying.

When talk becomes actions (illegal-violent) then it is time to stop there actions-not their speech.

But the reality is that it incites violence, so what then seasonal?

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Hazardous1408

What might convince you otherwise?

If I knew that, I'd probably already be convinced... right?

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Hazardous1408
I'm sorry, well I'm not actually, I refuse to defend a radical hate preacher brainwashing young and/or illiterate minds with their 72 virgins schtick...

The same way I refuse to defend a neo-Nazi brainwashing a young impressionable delinquent into a life of hatred and possible violence.


You can. But I won't.

You're too busy enjoying your freedoms to defend them.

Our freedoms as you call them are precarious at best.

Our freedoms are duties and obligations. Your right to speak your mind is my duty not to silence you. Freedoms are precarious insofar as no one sees them as their own duty and obligation to provide them for others.

We are not in control of our freedoms, others are. Precarious at best.

Who grants you your freedoms?

a reply to: InTheLight

Not necessarily.

The only way to know if it causes violence is to allow it to unfold. AHHH freedom.

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: InTheLight

Not liking what someone says is not a cause to stop what they are saying.

When talk becomes actions (illegal-violent) then it is time to stop there actions-not their speech.

But the reality is that it incites violence, so what then seasonal?

Do you think the Nuremberg defence is a valid one?
If you kill someone because I tell you to, it's your fault not mine.

originally posted by: Hazardous1408
a reply to: DBCowboy

There is no such thing as a free society. Anywhere on the planet.
It just doesn't exist.
You can be imprisoned in any country, on any continent, for any number of stupid things.

So the next best thing is a decent society.
That's one not filled with incitement to violence, in my opinion.

We may not live in a totally free society, but striving to make our society a free one should be everyone's goal.

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: InTheLight

Not necessarily.

The only way to know if it causes violence is to allow it to unfold. AHHH freedom.

Okay, then let's say at the very least it causes offense, how does that get your free speech across in a meaningful and open way for discussion?

a reply to: InTheLight

The great thing about free speech is it is up to you, not me.

Your offense is not a reason for me to stop speaking.

a reply to: Hazardous1408

Well I cannot find anything in Quran to guide you, but we can work with the principles of logic, evidence, and reason.

If you ever want to read a book on the subject, I probably own them all, and could offer a suggestion.

originally posted by: Krahzeef_Ukhar

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: InTheLight

Not liking what someone says is not a cause to stop what they are saying.

When talk becomes actions (illegal-violent) then it is time to stop there actions-not their speech.

But the reality is that it incites violence, so what then seasonal?

Do you think the Nuremberg defence is a valid one?
If you kill someone because I tell you to, it's your fault not mine.

That depends on the mentality of the both parties. If you tell me to kill someone, and i am already hearing the Devil tell me to do the same thing, then reinforcement...so your fault for pushing me over to one side and not the other.