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originally posted by: peter vlar
originally posted by: Sheye
originally posted by: peter vlar
a reply to: Sheye
That's the biggest crock of garbage. Nobody is ridiculing Christian scientists. I certainly ridiculed their conclusions based on their agenda driven and sloppy "science" sure. But none of it had anything to do with them being Christians. This false "War on Christians " narrative constantly propagated on ATS is gettin a little old. It's the default method of deflection used whenever people aren't capable of or willing to discuss the science and prefer to push their personal motivations and feelings. I've yet to see you discuss what you feel the errors in methodology we're in the paper cited in the Time article, which I have provided a direct link to yesterday so that people could, you know, discuss the science. Nobody seems particularly interested in doing that though and all I see is religious persecution narratives. It's getting old and stale.
Really ? Nobody is ridiculing Christians ? Would you like me to go back and quote the posts ridiculing Christians and Christianity , especially when it may be Christianity that prevents people from fully accepting transgendered as perfectly scientifically normal.
Yes, please do that
I'm not interested in scientific papers that could very well be bias
Of course you're not. It gets in the way of your ability to play both bigot and victim.
... and the fact that it was the medical community that felt the need to create how many genders ? .. and I'm supposed to trust nutjobs like that? š
And yet you're whining about potential confirmation bias from others when you start off with it and refuse to accept that you could be wrong? What a joke. Your own confirmation bias is why you are referring op others as "nut jobs" and you're so blinded by self righteous indignation that you can see the forest for the trees
Take your scientific studies and your egotistical condescending mean attitude and stick it.
I hope you were looking in the mirror when you typed that because it applies far more to you than it does me.
Your type don't scare me.. so quit with the bullying š
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Grow up. Nobody is bullying you OR your faith. If you think that your faith makes your ignorance and hatred acceptable then I feel for the congregation you are a part of because that's nothin that would have been taught in the church I grew up in. Hiding behind Bronze Age scripture to hustify willful ignorance makes you something antithetical to Christs own teachings. I'm not bullying you by pointing out facts when you hide behind opinions. You're a sad excuse for a follower of Christs teachings. And it's more egregious when you willfully ignore peer reviewed data and rely on one mans lies to support furthering your own ignorance laden agenda.
originally posted by: Sheye
originally posted by: peter vlar
originally posted by: Sheye
originally posted by: peter vlar
a reply to: Sheye
That's the biggest crock of garbage. Nobody is ridiculing Christian scientists. I certainly ridiculed their conclusions based on their agenda driven and sloppy "science" sure. But none of it had anything to do with them being Christians. This false "War on Christians " narrative constantly propagated on ATS is gettin a little old. It's the default method of deflection used whenever people aren't capable of or willing to discuss the science and prefer to push their personal motivations and feelings. I've yet to see you discuss what you feel the errors in methodology we're in the paper cited in the Time article, which I have provided a direct link to yesterday so that people could, you know, discuss the science. Nobody seems particularly interested in doing that though and all I see is religious persecution narratives. It's getting old and stale.
Really ? Nobody is ridiculing Christians ? Would you like me to go back and quote the posts ridiculing Christians and Christianity , especially when it may be Christianity that prevents people from fully accepting transgendered as perfectly scientifically normal.
Yes, please do that
I'm not interested in scientific papers that could very well be bias
Of course you're not. It gets in the way of your ability to play both bigot and victim.
... and the fact that it was the medical community that felt the need to create how many genders ? .. and I'm supposed to trust nutjobs like that? š
And yet you're whining about potential confirmation bias from others when you start off with it and refuse to accept that you could be wrong? What a joke. Your own confirmation bias is why you are referring op others as "nut jobs" and you're so blinded by self righteous indignation that you can see the forest for the trees
Take your scientific studies and your egotistical condescending mean attitude and stick it.
I hope you were looking in the mirror when you typed that because it applies far more to you than it does me.
Your type don't scare me.. so quit with the bullying š
'
Grow up. Nobody is bullying you OR your faith. If you think that your faith makes your ignorance and hatred acceptable then I feel for the congregation you are a part of because that's nothin that would have been taught in the church I grew up in. Hiding behind Bronze Age scripture to hustify willful ignorance makes you something antithetical to Christs own teachings. I'm not bullying you by pointing out facts when you hide behind opinions. You're a sad excuse for a follower of Christs teachings. And it's more egregious when you willfully ignore peer reviewed data and rely on one mans lies to support furthering your own ignorance laden agenda.
I'll let the living Christ be the judge on who's " peer reviewed data" I should accept and reject.
My spirit tells me His truth on this is far removed from yours .
I'm not angry with you Peter and I'm not spewing hate , just honesty, and I get attacked for it.We'll just both have to be patient until final judgement on this issue comes from the higher spiritual realms.
In the meantime I'm not budging on my views of transitioning genders.
originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: Sheye
Sorry Sheye but they exist in nature and as far as I can recall god made nature , so you can take that up with him when you get there .
Why you dont show them compassion like christ would is beyond me
surely that is something that jesus / god will judge you on when the time comes,
what if your judgement of others and the whole gender issue is a test by your god to see if you
accept that which seems different and you are failing by not showing them the same compassion you would anyone else
originally posted by: Sheye
a reply to: peter vlar
Like I said earlier .. let the living Christ be the judge.. if He appeared to me and told me I was wrong, I'd accept that in a heartbeat and would be more than willing to give apologies.
Time will tell on what the truth is on this issue of transgender
and I for one will listen to what I believe the Holy Spirit is telling me, until the living God speaks out clearly on the issue .
Thank you for wishing me happiness .. but the ways of the world don't lead to true happiness
and I won't be a blind follower to medical science that has created multiple genders out of their studies.
originally posted by: peter vlar
a reply to: Sheye
But your judgement DOES affect other people. That's actually the entire point of the study cited in the OP and what differentiates between a transgendered person who is happy and well adjusted and a person with Gender Dysphoria. But then you would have had to read the pertinent data to know that and you've made it quite clear that you are more than content ignoring anything that disagrees with your minority brand of evangelical Christianity. And whether you believe me or not, what you perceive as me judging you is actually curiosity and befuddlement as your views don't echo any of my experiences in the Church or my own religious studies. I simply can't fathom how you rationalize the way you look at people who's lives don't reflect the way you think they should live.
originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: Sheye
and once again jesus would show compassion to those who suffer any kind of suffering , and transgender people do suffer
and there you are saying nah ill pass just because it disgusts me !
not very christian of you is it , and you shall be judged by the lord almighty when your time comes , wonder what remarks he will male at your lack of compassion for your brothers and sisters , we are all the lords children are we not ?
originally posted by: Sheye
originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: Sheye
and once again jesus would show compassion to those who suffer any kind of suffering , and transgender people do suffer
and there you are saying nah ill pass just because it disgusts me !
not very christian of you is it , and you shall be judged by the lord almighty when your time comes , wonder what remarks he will male at your lack of compassion for your brothers and sisters , we are all the lords children are we not ?
Jesus would probably drive the demons out of them... with compassion.. as well
forgiving them for not loving themselves as God intended they should. If God the creator intended you to be another gender he would have created you as that gender.
Now .. the human body has been reduced to a bag of cells that can be labeled genderless , which I see as an afront to the human dignity of gender which God created lovingly with procreation in mind.
In 20 to 30 years.... never mind .. I don't want to think about how worse it could get.
Does Jesus love transgendered people ? Of course .. he loves all humans equally and died for all our sins... but you'll never convince me that Jesus would agree to transitioning... especially of a child.
originally posted by: Sheye
originally posted by: peter vlar
a reply to: Sheye
But your judgement DOES affect other people. That's actually the entire point of the study cited in the OP and what differentiates between a transgendered person who is happy and well adjusted and a person with Gender Dysphoria. But then you would have had to read the pertinent data to know that and you've made it quite clear that you are more than content ignoring anything that disagrees with your minority brand of evangelical Christianity. And whether you believe me or not, what you perceive as me judging you is actually curiosity and befuddlement as your views don't echo any of my experiences in the Church or my own religious studies. I simply can't fathom how you rationalize the way you look at people who's lives don't reflect the way you think they should live.
If transgendered people are so deeply affected by someone disagreeing with their transition then they need to grow up.
All sorts of people disagree with others.. it's not a reason to contemplate suicide , which is why I think there are alternative reasons for their depression.
People disagree with my beliefs all the time, and often can be rude and condescending. I'm not running around to doctors saying I feel like killing myself because people don't accept my views. I take it with a grain of salt.. and continue on my merry way. š
If you suffer depression because of people not agreeing on your transition , that is on you. Be responsible for your own feelings and beliefs, and quit caring how others feel and what they say, instead of trying to change them.
I won't change my view, and don't let those who disagree with me cause a meltdown worthy of psychiatric attention... though I will discuss these issues with friends.
originally posted by: Sheye
originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: Sheye
and once again jesus would show compassion to those who suffer any kind of suffering , and transgender people do suffer
and there you are saying nah ill pass just because it disgusts me !
not very christian of you is it , and you shall be judged by the lord almighty when your time comes , wonder what remarks he will male at your lack of compassion for your brothers and sisters , we are all the lords children are we not ?
Jesus would probably drive the demons out of them... with compassion..
as well forgiving them for not loving themselves as God intended they should.
If God the creator intended you to be another gender he would have created you as that gender.
Now .. the human body has been reduced to a bag of cells that can be labeled genderless , which I see as an afront to the human dignity of gender which God created lovingly with procreation in mind.
In 20 to 30 years.... never mind .. I don't want to think about how worse it could get.
Does Jesus love transgendered people ? Of course .. he loves all humans equally and died for all our sins... but you'll never convince me that Jesus would agree to transitioning... especially of a child.
originally posted by: peter vlar
originally posted by: Sheye
originally posted by: peter vlar
a reply to: Sheye
But your judgement DOES affect other people. That's actually the entire point of the study cited in the OP and what differentiates between a transgendered person who is happy and well adjusted and a person with Gender Dysphoria. But then you would have had to read the pertinent data to know that and you've made it quite clear that you are more than content ignoring anything that disagrees with your minority brand of evangelical Christianity. And whether you believe me or not, what you perceive as me judging you is actually curiosity and befuddlement as your views don't echo any of my experiences in the Church or my own religious studies. I simply can't fathom how you rationalize the way you look at people who's lives don't reflect the way you think they should live.
If transgendered people are so deeply affected by someone disagreeing with their transition then they need to grow up.
Thank you so much for the clarification here. For the record, please don't cry Christian persecution again in this thread. You're not a Christian. You're a bigot hiding behind a bible. Nothing more.
All sorts of people disagree with others.. it's not a reason to contemplate suicide , which is why I think there are alternative reasons for their depression.
Sweet, can you cite your research so I can properly review it. I mean, if you have an alternative hypothesis you must have based it upon some form of research and properly written it up , right?
People disagree with my beliefs all the time, and often can be rude and condescending. I'm not running around to doctors saying I feel like killing myself because people don't accept my views. I take it with a grain of salt.. and continue on my merry way. š
Have you stopped to consider that people are rude because you're the condescending, arrogant one? Oh golly no! That certainly couldn't be the case because you're just a good old fashioned Christian holding up the lofty ideals of your lord and savior! LaVeyan Satanists have more in common with Christs teachings than you do.
If you suffer depression because of people not agreeing on your transition , that is on you. Be responsible for your own feelings and beliefs, and quit caring how others feel and what they say, instead of trying to change them.
You just can't argue facts and need to create a strawman to support your inane narrative. It's sad and I honestly pity you. Nobody is depressed because someone disagrees with them, nor was that what I stated. Likewise, it wasn't the premise of the citations in the OP. But hey, why deal in facts when you can create your own fairy tale and feel superior!
It's got nothing to do with opinions. Everyone has one, just like another oriface that seems rather apropos right now
I won't change my view, and don't let those who disagree with me cause a meltdown worthy of psychiatric attention... though I will discuss these issues with friends.
I'll have to assume that it's not your fault that you're so filled with hatred and judgement regarding something you refuse to actually research properly and guess that you're suffering from hypoxia because the air isn't so thin up there atop you're ivory tower.