Number of children being referred to gender identity clinics has quadrupled in five years

a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

Honest. I have to get back to you. I'm in the SW, it's hot. We turn the AC off between noon & 7. My 9 year old grandson is visiting. Gotta get him outta here for a few hours.

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

The doctors will know so you can rest assured.

I might agree with you except for watching our kid go from one Dr to another until one agreed to put him on Tshots. If the doctors would know, why did 4 other doctors refuse?

The big issue is ignored. As in: what happens to a natural species when threatened with extinction? Hermaphrodism, transexualism, in the species automatic response; a last ditch effort for survival... The self pollination genes were not removed from mammals, just the hardware to facilitate it is incapable of reverting gender.

a reply to: BigBangWasAnEcho
It's hormones in the food supply thats causing this mutation.

Just google pentagon tested gay bomb on iraq.

a reply to: BigBangWasAnEcho
It's hormones in the food supply thats causing this mutation.

Just google pentagon tested gay bomb on iraq.

a reply to: Simon_Boudreaux

Doctors having different opinions is nothing new. When I was a child, my parents would take me from one Dr. to another on how to raise me and which school to send me to because I was deaf.
My point was that if the parents tried to confuse the children the doctors would immediately know, or at least know eventually after a few sessions. You can't simply "simulate" gender dysphoria in children. Gender dysphoria is natural and inborn.

This is what happens when you tell an entire generation their white CIS genitalia and masculinity is toxic. So they take the next appropriate step to remove it...

In my mind history will look at this as one of the most damaging modern liberal/feminist crimes committed against humanity. Mainly against white men... Just look at who makes up the vast majority of transgenders. That isn't a coincidence.

originally posted by: JAY1980
This is what happens when you tell an entire generation their white CIS genitalia and masculinity is toxic. So they take the next appropriate step to remove it.

I think this has something to do with it as well. I've been told by our kid that being a straight white male I'm part of the problem. Of course we go round and round with each other about it. The fact I don't hate myself for being white like he does probably doesn't help much

a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

Until Annee comes back, I can tell you what I have read about it. Yes, it's pretty common for a little boy to play with dolls and to wear his mom's high heels around the house. That in and of itself doesn't mean much of anything. But you would be surprised at how young one can be and still have a sense of boy and girl.

For example a boy who sees his sister Susie grow her hair long and wear it in a ponytail with a ribbon, may tell his mom he wants to grow his hair and wear ribbons too. Mom might ask him why, and he may say "because I'm a girl too". He may also start demanding to wear the same clothes that Susie wears for the same reason.

This still doesn't 100% guarantee that the boy has gender dysphoria- he may just be jealous of the attention sister Susie is getting with the dresses and hair in ribbons, etc.

What therapists say to watch out for is persistent insistence over a long period of time. As the boy grows and starts to learn about anatomical differences, he may lament the fact that he has the body parts of a boy, saying he is a girl and should have the body parts to match. He will insist on changing his name to a girl's. He will insist on wearing girl clothes to school and everywhere else. In his mind, he IS a girl. A child with true gender dysphoria will be consistent in this insistence for many years.

a reply to: kaylaluv

Watch what Jim Marrs thinks about therapists and whats being done to our children in todays society.

a reply to: Deaf Alien

Except that there is a real dearth of serious, large scale studies on which children actually are exhibiting long term gender dysphoria.

Right now, the amount of children being encouraged and supported to transition has an attempted suicide rate of 45%. You can claim that's because people hate them, but it might be because their dysphoria isn't the main problem in many cases but is instead a reaction to another psychological issue. In other words, they aren't naturally transpeople but are exhibiting the symptoms as a reaction to another psychological trauma.

Does that mean there are no natural transpeople? No, but it may mean that for a significant number we are compounding their problems rather than treating them.

a reply to: ketsuko

Dearth? There have been links to multiple studies. You just choose to ignore them.
And are you suggesting that we force the children with gender dysphoria to be who they are not, thus increasing the risk of suicide? Please think about that for a minute.
I don't know where you get the 45% from. And yes the claim that people hate them is true as evidened by people in this thread and other threads.

a reply to: Paridox

That video has nothing to do with what I just posted.

a reply to: Deaf Alien

williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu...

There is research on the topic, but not on how many children with those feelings stay that way long term. How would you like to potentially be the kid who thought he'd like to be a she and underwent puberty blockers, hormone treatments, breast implants, and had your bits and pieces removed only to discover as you got into your later 20s that you weren't so transgender after all?

It does happen and more often then people think, and there is precious little support for people who feel that way about it.

That's the dearth of research I am referencing. If we are going to start trying to determine that hes should be shes and vice versa based on their childish desires, don't you think we better make damn sure this is the first and only issue they have and it's one that will stick with them for a lifetime?! I do.

They are only now starting a study of 300 transgender children that will track them long term over 20 years to see what the actual long term rate is to try refine the process of which kids actually should be transitioned and which ones should be counseled to wait until later if they are still set on it and referred to other services for other reasons.

a reply to: kaylaluv

I went through that exact scenario. I would always want to play barbie with my sister and her friends. I don't remember for how long, but atleast up until I would say 8-10. But never once did I question my gender, or even think about genders, because I wasn't aware of these dynamics. Needless to say, I grew out of it, but I wonder if I had been exposed to the transgender dynamic in kindergarten, would it have affected me? I think so, it's hard to see how it wouldn't.

And I was vehemently adamant in wanting to play with barbies with them. Crying and screaming when they wouldn't let me.

I'm thinking if I was raised in this generation, my parents might've taken me to the doctors claiming I was suffering from dysphoria, and I might have played along just so I could play with babies, not fully understanding the long term repercussions. This is definitely a possibility, would you agree?

a reply to: ketsuko

 had your bits and pieces removed

See I was right. You choose to ignore the studies. No transgender children ever had their "bits and pieces" removed.
If the children don't really suffer gender dysphoria and have hormones therapy they will know as they hit puberty. Hormone therapy is reversible.

If we are going to start trying to determine that hes should be shes and vice versa based on their childish desires, don't you think we better make damn sure this is the first and only issue they have and it's one that will stick with them for a lifetime?

Um that is why they send them to the doctors. It is not a overnight thing. It takes years and multiple counseling to make sure it is a legitimate gender dysphoria.

What is your solution to the gender dysphoria in children for now since you said there's a "dearth" of research? Ignore the problem? Don't send them to the doctors? What? And why should I listen to you over scientists who have researched this for years.

a reply to: Deaf Alien

They send them to doctors ... who don't know because there isn't large scale research on how long those feelings last in the average kid. How likely is it to be long term and what are the signs of it if it is?

But sure the docs can tell you that it looks like gender dysphoria.

And all of the puberty blockers, hormone treatments, breast implants set them up even further to have the "bottom" surgery as soon as they hit age of majority at 18 which is still very young (brains don't fully mature until in the 20s).

Again, how would you feel to have done that, been constantly affirmed in what you were doing, and then start feeling wrong about it about the time you hit 30?

Then what? There is a reason why the kids in gender dysphoria treatment by supportive services and families have such high suicide rates and it can't all be explained by societal hatred.

a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

No. You never insisted that you were a girl like Your sisters. Your scenario is the exact one I listed as NOT being an example of possible gender dysphoria.

Did you read my post?

a reply to: ketsuko

So your solution is to not send them to the doctors, ignore the problem and forcing children with gender dysphoria to be who they are not, thus increasing the risk of suicide.
Gotcha.

a reply to: kaylaluv

Of course I did, you're missing the point I'm trying to make.

I never insisted I was a girl or questioned my gender because I WAS NOT aware of it.

That's my point! But had I been aware of it, from learning about it since kindergarten, you can bet I would've questioned it.