Number of children being referred to gender identity clinics has quadrupled in five years

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Do you have any links to consistent proven successes of "curing" gender dysphoria with therapy alone?

originally posted by: Blue_Jay33
Child: Fine
Education: It is perfectly fine if you question what sex you are.
Child: Now they are confused.
Parents: My Child is confused about what gender they are.

Result: Off to gender identity clinic.

Solution....

Child: Fine
Education: Math, history, science, language, civics and PE
Child: Now they are informed
Parents: My child is awesome

Result: A problem which should have never been a problem is not a problem.

Priceless!

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Pretty much. Making sure the kids can add and subtract or read is so yesterday, but we do make sure they know all of those 57 different gender classifications because you never know when you might have 1 who is in that fraction of a percent who will grow up rebelling against nature.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Do you have any links to consistent proven successes of "curing" gender dysphoria with therapy alone?

Do you have any links proving 'gender dysphoria' is not a learned behavior?

Ummm, strike that. I'm betting you can probably find thousands of links from kooks who believe this stuff! (and equally with the conviction that they'd bet their life's saving on the Moon being made out of cheese as well).

a reply to: Blue_Jay33

More like:

Parent: hey doc, I've been reading about this gender dysphoria in the news lately and I noticed my daughter likes to wear boy's clothes. Does she have this gender dyphoria?

Doc: Probably not, but you can take them to this place and have a therapist talk with you and your child if you're concerned.

Therapist at clinic : No worries, your daughter doesn't show signs of gender dysphoria, she's just a tomboy.

Parent: Okay, thanks!

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

So you have no empirical data to back your claims. I see.

a reply to: ketsuko

Yeah, they have replaced all other subjects and spend 8 hours every day talking about gender dysphoria. Give me a break. Probably about 1 hour a year is spent on gender identity, if that much. The kids probably forget about it right after recess.

originally posted by: [post=22438261]Tranceopticalinclined

I'm all for people being who they are, that's beautiful, what's not beautiful, lemmings and other herd animals following the leader...

Well, once America fell for Cultural Marxism thus approving removal of a healthy steadfast principle called, 'individualism' herd animals is all we have left. And last time I checked; herd animals don't concern themselves with nothing more than perpetual cycles of dangling carrots and fodder troughs, instinctual behavior, security via fenced in stockyards and sleep.

a reply to: kaylaluv

Don't need any, it's common sense born out by hundreds of thousands of years of human history.

Let me ask you a little different question...

Were there people who had alternate sexual persuasions during say Roman times? You bet there were! Were they "terrified" of not being able to get a sex change operation, or of not being able to take hormones to stave off puberty? No! You know why? Because none of those things existed as a possibility during Roman times. Once again, proving this whole thing you call "gender dysphoria" is nothing more than learned behavior based on a social construct made possible through modern medicine. Unlearn the behavior and the problem ceases to be a problem. Conversely, treat the problem and acknowledge it as normal behavior and the problem will persist.

And before you go there, yes, this does not address those with this 'gender dysphoria' now, only in the future. The only solution I personally can offer there is to continue to seek workable treatment options for the few who have such afflictions in an effort to also unlearn the behavior.

It's not like we're talking about large segments of society here. The problem is, we're making the problem worse, not better. This is what has to stop. Otherwise it's a self-fulfilling prophecy (not the in religious sense).

There's an old saying about a rattlesnake and a turtle on a river bank

originally posted by: Abysha

You can't turn somebody into a girl or a boy if they know they are something else. If you were forced to live as a girl, yes, you would have gender dysphoria since you know you are really a boy.

That's what that experiment was all about.

I'm forced to live on planet earth.

I feel that I really belong on a different planet from this one.

Moreover, I can't travel freely about on this planet, they have artificial rules, and have divided up the planet in to countries, requiring passports and visas, and often deny my right to just go visit some place to see if I might like to live there.

I'm an undocumented Mexican in the US, and they are trying to push me out.

I believe I'm an American, and I belong here.

What's wrong with the people here, why don't they just let me be who I think I am?

If they send my back to Mexico, I think I'll just commit suicide.

Better let me stay, or else you'll have that on your conscience.

a reply to: AMPTAH

And another strike of the nail directly on the head!

Allow me to twist the story around so much that it is now your fault for my behavior.

I'm beginning to think I'm being forced to live on this planet too. I used to live on a planet called Earth.

I demand to go back to Earth!

a reply to: kaylaluv

No, more like...

Parent: Sally, why don't you go outside and play with the rest of the kids, I don't care what you wear.

Doc: Hmmmm...I sure wish someone would make an appointment to come see me, I'm getting bored and can't pay my bills.

Therapist at clinic: Hmmmm...I sure wish someone would make an appointment to come see me, I'm getting bored and can't pay my bills.

Parent: Look at that...they made Sally the catcher and captain of the baseball team.

a reply to: kaylaluv

In my opinion, the problem with people that see no problem with this - such as yourself - are too emotionally invested and can only see in black and white. You won't read between the lines, fail to acknowledge the underlying issues, and ignore the destructive and detrimental affects it can have on the kids that won't/don't suffer from dysphoria (which make up the majority).

At the end of the day, we all want the same things for the kids - allowing them ultimate freedom to be who they truly are. That is not what this is about, nor is this indoctrination allowing them that. Keyword "indoctrination".

I say black and white because - you think of the child that may have dysphoria, you see a possible solution, you think it may prevent future problems like suicide, you view this as a win-win and then you end it here. You completey ignore all of the other dynamics that may be involved, the human condition is the most complex thing in human history, we barely even understand all the complexities today.

Another point I mentioned earlier but I'll bring it back up again because it's so important - the MOST IMPRESSIONABLE years of our lives are when we are about 5 years old. We do not possess critical thinking skills, our brains are literally sponges and the information we soak in then, ultimately shape our perception of reality and make us we who are. Knowing this, why would anyone subject children to things they can't even comprehend yet and things they don't even need to know about?

Why are there rated movies, television shows, video games, etc?

You still don't see any problem, even in the slightest?

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Oh so I have to have empirical evidence, but you don't.

Romans also didn't have cures for diseases that have been wiped out today. Life was tougher for everybody in Roman times. Ever heard of eunuchs? Bet some of them were voluntary.

a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

And I will repeat to you what I said before- age appropriate messages. When I talked about it in a very simplistic way to my daughter, she never got confused about her own gender. Not once. When a kid has real gender dysphoria, you could tell them all day long that they aren't the gender they think they are, and it won't change their mind. They aren't confused either. They KNOW.

Talking about empirical evidence, there is zero evidence that any school program is turning kids into trans kids. Zero.

a reply to: kaylaluv

And like I said to you before, there is a huge difference between a parent talking to their child about it and letting the schools them how it is.

The way a child converses and feels with their parents at home is very different than how they converse and feel with their teacher at school.

That's my point, these conversations SHOULD be at home, not at school, especially not at kindergarten...

a reply to: kaylaluv

And to your point about empirical evidence.

They only started introducing this how long ago? Indoctrination doesn't happen in a day, look at my OP again, that's emperical evidence that there is definitely a change happening.

a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

Yeah, parents have much more sway with their kids than the school does. The school is fighting a losing battle with trying to bring up stable healthy kids, but they keep trying.

a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

Correlation does not equal causation. It makes just as much sense that parents are hearing more about gender dysphoria in the news and are asking their doctors about any possible symptoms. Remember the NHS states that most kids referred to these clinics don't have gender dysphoria and a little counseling is all the treatment they get.

a reply to: kaylaluv

Was that sarcasm? Because parents definitely should have more sway than the schools. If they don't, that's on the bad parents and not because of "yea parents have much more sway"

Remember after the bell rings at school, they go home and have to experience life outside of school.