Number of children being referred to gender identity clinics has quadrupled in five years

a reply to: Tulpa

Parenting in general has been slowly eroded in favour of "experts" and "government".

They've been operating the communist manifesto for quite some time now. They want to get rid of the traditional family.

It's sickening to see victims of this abuse actively advocating it. Some of the opinions shared in this thread that vaguely advocate child mutilation make it seem as if some of our members are in need to be investigated.

originally posted by: MisterSpock
Was hoping someone could answer my logic problem. Guess I'll just give up. It was a bit of a trap.

At best, you'd have to argue from a point of hippocracy, at worst you'd have to take a stance that would support sexual activity for children.

Sadly I'll just have to draw my own conclusion as to what the answers would be.

I liked what you did there.
Up to this point, no one took the bait.
The trap worked, even though unsprung.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Irishhaf

It's in the UK. in on my tablet, so I can't post links, but if you look up NHS.uk and search for gender dysphoria treatments, it will explain. There will be a section on treating kids under 18 using these "clinics". Interesting that the website states most of the treatment will be psychological rather than medical or surgical as most children with suspected gender dysphoria don't actually have it. But yeah, the sky is falling...

I quoted you so you can't deny your own words.

"most"

So you're admitting and defending there is a small percentage of children who are being mutilated?

You said most the treatment isn't surgical.

You're admitting it happens, you openly support the mutilation of confused children.

You are a real piece of work...

Once they add P to the acronym will you still defend it and call us bigots?

a reply to: butcherguy

Children with gender dysphoria are miserable, many times suicidal, and are begging for help. This isn't comparable to letting a kid have sexy time.

The "trap" was bogus.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

I think a young person with gender dysphoria will suffer much more destructive psychological effects from the permanent physical features that puberty will ensure. Talk with someone who had gender dysphoria as a child, and they will tell you that they were terrified of the permanent effects of puberty. Terrified to the point of wanting to end their life rather than go through puberty. You would rather someone end their life than delay puberty for a while? Wow, that's cold.

Isn't it just barely possible that the notion of puberty itself, whether or not you have gender dysphoria, is scary to a kid?

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

I think a young person with gender dysphoria will suffer much more destructive psychological effects from the permanent physical features that puberty will ensure.

You have absolutely no empirical way to prove this statement.

Talk with someone who had gender dysphoria as a child, and they will tell you that they were terrified of the permanent effects of puberty.

And some kids are 'terrified' of monsters under their bed too. The point being, kids don't know what "terror" is unless they learn it somehow.

Terrified to the point of wanting to end their life rather than go through puberty.

Contemplation of suicide, for whatever reason, is clinically proven psychological disorder. The reason is irrelevant, self harm is the underpinning issue.

You would rather someone end their life than delay puberty for a while?

As illustrated above, this statement is a logical fallacy. You cannot attribute this to my way of thinking.

Wow, that's cold.

I guess, but I wonder who is the one being "cold".

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Okay, let's just tell kids who are suffering from gender dysphoria to suck it up and get over it.

a reply to: kaylaluv

You talk like there is an overwhelming segment of society who fall into this category. I take pretty strong exception to this notion.

As psychologically problematic as this is to contemplate, hypothetically, if you took a male child and put them into a sterile box devoid of any outside stimulus, and you put a female child into another similarly sterile box, and you kept them in said boxes until they matured through puberty, they would:

A. Have no concept of male and/or female identity.
B. Would therefore have no possibility of any sort of gender identity crisis.

If you then put both the, now adult, female and the male into a box together, still devoid of any outside stimulus, there is an overwhelming probability (like 95%) they would procreate. All creatures in nature have proven this, over and over again, for literally millions of years. Humans included.

So what's the lesson here? Gender identity crisis is a learned behavior from outside stimulus.

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

I think a young person with gender dysphoria will suffer much more destructive psychological effects from the permanent physical features that puberty will ensure. Talk with someone who had gender dysphoria as a child, and they will tell you that they were terrified of the permanent effects of puberty. Terrified to the point of wanting to end their life rather than go through puberty. You would rather someone end their life than delay puberty for a while? Wow, that's cold.

Isn't it just barely possible that the notion of puberty itself, whether or not you have gender dysphoria, is scary to a kid?

Not to the extent of wanting to end your life because you face having the permanent features of the gender you do not identify with, and that you face forever looking like a man in a dress.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Okay, let's just tell kids who are suffering from gender dysphoria to suck it up and get over it.

This is not what I said, nor is it even close to what I said.

You're reaching now. Attempting to morph my statements into something they are not.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Sooooo.... Tell a kid with gender dysphoria to suck it up and get over it. Got it.

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

I think a young person with gender dysphoria will suffer much more destructive psychological effects from the permanent physical features that puberty will ensure. Talk with someone who had gender dysphoria as a child, and they will tell you that they were terrified of the permanent effects of puberty. Terrified to the point of wanting to end their life rather than go through puberty. You would rather someone end their life than delay puberty for a while? Wow, that's cold.

Isn't it just barely possible that the notion of puberty itself, whether or not you have gender dysphoria, is scary to a kid?

Not to the extent of wanting to end your life because you face having the permanent features of the gender you do not identify with, and that you face forever looking like a man in a dress.

Why was the little boy in a dress and allowed to believe he would not be a man when he grew up?

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Then what's your solution? When someone has gender dysphoria, therapy alone has never worked. What now?

a reply to: ketsuko

Exactly!

a reply to: kaylaluv

Solution: Unlearn the behavior.

a reply to: ketsuko

This isn't about parents forcing a boy to be a girl, as much as you want it to be about that.

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: kaylaluv

Solution: Unlearn the behavior.

How? Therapy alone doesn't work.

a reply to: kaylaluv

Says you.

Based on what? Again, you have no empirical way you can prove these allegations you continue to make as generalities. You cannot prove how many times a child may have started to go down some sort of a gender identity crisis path, but were steered back onto the path of identifying with their biological sex. The only fact you could possibly cite would be a statistic showing how many sought help and that help failed. Two completely different sets of statistics, and unrelated.

Child: Fine
Education: It is perfectly fine if you question what sex you are.
Child: Now they are confused.
Parents: My Child is confused about what gender they are.

Result: Off to gender identity clinic.

a reply to: Blue_Jay33

Nail head...

Meet hammer!