Low income people should not have insurance. They should be treated for free.

originally posted by: windword

originally posted by: AdmireTheDistance
And who's going to pay for this?

Nobody! It's FREE! Poor people should just be able to walk into a doctor, or clinic, or hospital and get treated for whatever without any paperwork, like they were never there. No billable hours, drugs disappear due to "breakage", nurses and doctors just sneak them in between paying/covered patients....no one is the wiser!

TADA! FREE HEALTH CARE!

It sounds good on the surface but if you put food outside to feed A cat, you'll have more cats than you can afford to feed.

Same thing applies here.

a reply to: mblahnikluver

Welcome to the new American and this started in the Cater and Reagan eras. And get a better job is difficult, alot of jobs just don't offer benefits, and don't compensate for the loss of those benefits-they keep it.

Super rich and people getting by.

I am loosing hope that the health care system can be changed with out a crash or simple refusal to pay huge costs and only pay "reasonable costs".

The American's life style is going to have be reduced to keep the medical system afloat.

It's is very easy to make statements like this but very hard to create a system in which you have sufficient medical personnel, supplies, equipment and facilities to treat a significant portion of the population for free.

Especially when we have so many people making poor decisions about drugs, smoking and exercise that contribute to their own health issues.

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: mblahnikluver

Welcome to the new American and this started in the Cater and Reagan eras. And get a better job is difficult, alot of jobs just don't offer benefits, and don't compensate for the loss of those benefits-they keep it.

Super rich and people getting by.

I am loosing hope that the health care system can be changed with out a crash or simple refusal to pay huge costs and only pay "reasonable costs".

The American's life style is going to have be reduced to keep the medical system afloat.

Save your usd and go to Mexico for healthcare. If everyone who could afford to do so did this or stopped using medical services, it could theoretically cause a large enough crisis that something would change.

originally posted by: Wildbob77
It's is very easy to make statements like this but very hard to create a system in which you have sufficient medical personnel, supplies, equipment and facilities to treat a significant portion of the population for free.

Especially when we have so many people making poor decisions about drugs, smoking and exercise that contribute to their own health issues.

This is true.

People aren't being educated and in some cases education isn't enough.

No amount of education can fix those who are willfully ignorant or who simply don't care.

a reply to: Wildbob77

There are other countries we can study. Take what works and apply it here, the individual states are perfect for this type of trials.

This WILL not happen. There is money to be made, and this is the only thing that matters. And TPTB will drive this right into the ground before they take a dime less.

They are already treated for free. When was the last time you went to an emergency room ? They have signs, and are required to have them, which state that medical care is provided to all people regardless of ability to pay. It states very clearly that they will be treated to at least a point of stability and maybe at that point transferred to another facility but no one based on ability to pay is turned away.

originally posted by: Slickinfinity
Why should I pay for your roads? Why should I pay for soldiers weapons ? Why should I pay for corporate bail outs? Why should I pay for police to keep you safe ? Why should I pay for fire services ? Why should I pay for schools? Why should I pay for politicians overpriced salary?
If you pay taxes and are part of a civilized society that makes you pay for all that through taxation then it seems utterly ridiculous to leave out health care unless of course you wanted to put profit before lives!
Imagine if you could only get school or fire services if you could afford them ?
I really think the people who say " I'm not paying for year health care" are stuck on stupid mode.

It amazes me how people have no problem with amount of money we send overseas to help other countries yet they flip over the idea of taxes paying for healthcare for those who can't afford it. I make $11 an hour at my new job and it sucks but I would happily pay extra in taxes for healthcare for all. I wouldn't even flinch at it! Not one! Right now I can't even afford insurance but I will get it as soon as I can sign up because I have health issues that require me to have insurance and be on meds. I have two conditions that require yearly treatment and without insurance I'm screwed and it' been one hard ride without it this year, majorly. I've lost weight as a result and ended up in the hospital two times which only leads to a MASSIVE bill I can't afford and no real treatment because they refer you to a specialist, one I know I need to see but without insurance I can't even entertain those appointments because you are talking thousands for the procedures I need done on a yearly basis. With insurance I pay a co pay of $100 which may not seem like a lot but when you make jack for pay it is but I pay it because it gets me the treatment I need.


The whole healthcare system is all about profit not patient care. I had one doctor years ago who literally never looked up at me while I talked. All she did was look at her screen and type and write script after script. I could have made up so many things and she would have given me anything for it! She tried to say I had all these conditions without ANY tests and in ONE visit! I obviously never went back because that visit was a huge red flag. I literally left with about a dozen scripts in my hand I didn't fill a single one because how can she know anything without blood tests or scans! I bet she makes a killing from pharmaceutical companies from people who are too ignorant to question her practice. I actually reported her but I heard nothing. I found a new doctor who worked for quite some time until she left due to how the industry was changing. When she saw the scripts this previous doctor gave me she couldn't believe it! You know what she gave me? ONE script, just one. It was for prozac and it as the lowest dose possible. It worked wonders for me. The other stuff she had blood tests and scans done and I took all natural herbal remedies and they worked! The other doctor wanted me on statins for high cholesterol and my new doctor put me on red yeast rice and guess what i never had a negative test again! She showed me she cared more about her patients than her back pocket. Oh how i wish she still practiced. I remember we would sit there and discuss the upcoming ObamaCare and everything and she was genuinely concerned for her patients because she said it would make it that much harder to treat them especially low income. After I left her the new doctor I had wouldn't write me refills over 2 months and wanted me to come in just for scripts and I had to pay $100 co pay!! It was almost impossible to go to my appointments with that kind of co pay! All they wanted was money. Oh and don't even get me started on all the times they had to reschedule appointments the DAY of where I had already put the time in a work!

a reply to: DJMSN

Good now go get a months worth of $500 a month meds that cost $75 in Canada.

Good luck

a reply to: AkontaDarkpaw

I agree. There are very small pockets of conferring self help doctoring but it is too small and hard to find to even make a dent. I do believe if it is possible to replace the insurance and government controls the really caring physicians could work with all medical personnel for the betterment of our country's healthcare. I try to be positive but it's like moving a mountain.

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: mblahnikluver

Welcome to the new American and this started in the Cater and Reagan eras. And get a better job is difficult, alot of jobs just don't offer benefits, and don't compensate for the loss of those benefits-they keep it.

Oh yea the whole job market is another rant I have, made a thread even on it! I did get a job but I can barely survive on it. It's a good thing I'm a penny pincher! The job market is ridiculous and more and more jobs are being lost to automated services. I worked in banking and the teller job is so being phased out in many places! I worked for Bank of Satan (America) and talk about a joke! I made decent money and had benefits I could barely afford but had to have them for my medical conditions. My job training was always about getting the customer to use services other than the teller yet they would say "oh your job is fine." Yea my training is telling me I'm being phased out! That is why they run on a skeleton crew at their branches and have closed many drive thru's. They want you to use mobile, online and ATM's. They only want you coming inside if you are going to sign up for their services like a credit card or loan, that is all they care about. It drove me insane to see that because customer complaints at the teller line were never factored in the customer service score! Yup any time someone got a call about service and it was about the teller line they didn't even count it. WHY? Because we would have had horrible scores because of lines and lack of help. I was the only teller the last 4 months i was there and it was a nightmare not to mention all the federal laws I was breaking because I was by myself but by all means get that credit card offer and they don't care! That is all they talked about. Bankers became used car salesmen who only pushed product you dont' need vs helping you financially!

Super rich and people getting by.

I am loosing hope that the health care system can be changed with out a crash or simple refusal to pay huge costs and only pay "reasonable costs".

Yea reasonable cost is gone! I remember my first job that I had insurance with, 20 years ago almost. I paid like $15 a PAYCHECK and i had zero copayments and scripts were $3!!! I also had vision and dental which were about $3 a paycheck. Now that same job, my mom still works in the school system at the same school, insurance is almost $200 a month and her co pays are insane not to mention unafforable on the salary they pay teachers. I made more at my banking job than my mom with multiple degrees and certificates in education. OH and they are raising their rates again next year and higher ups got a raise! It's so messed up!

The American's life style is going to have be reduced to keep the medical system afloat.

Yea for real! Heck I don't even have a lifestyle. I can't afford one! I just live day to day and it gets depressing because I can't even afford to better my education at this point which is all I want! I hope I can use my taxes for that next year because I will never make it on the salary I have and I won't be able to move up unless I have that overpriced piece of paper saying I can do something. It is beyond frustrating.

originally posted by: Justso
a reply to: AkontaDarkpaw

I agree. There are very small pockets of conferring self help doctoring but it is too small and hard to find to even make a dent. I do believe if it is possible to replace the insurance and government controls the really caring physicians could work with all medical personnel for the betterment of our country's healthcare. I try to be positive but it's like moving a mountain.

Tell me about it!!

Well little by little the pockets will grow larger. The more people that are pi$$ed and frustrated by the industry from healthcare professionals to patients and loved ones/friends/friends of friends the more demand there will be for change.

Need is the mother of all inventions and fixer of broken things.

The only way to make real change is to hit them where it hurt$$$$.

a reply to: AkontaDarkpaw

Why would I go to Mexico for healthcare?! Seriously that place is a dump, no offense. I wouldn't even waste my money visiting Mexico let alone getting any medical treatment from them. I wouldn't trust them with anything medical. I would rather go to Canada.

This country needs to stop complaining about the little things and get angry over war and money given to other countries that could go to use here yet people only want to complain about welfare, which isn't even high on the list of free handouts we give!! It's not even a dent! Maybe if wages were right and cost of living wasn't so sky high and healthcare was affordable people would be able to live a nice life, contribute more to society and the economy just might be ok! But no these companies are greedy and only care about making money. Everything in our country is about profit. Banks, education, healthcare, real estate, jobs (pushy sales now in almost all jobs that are retail related) and the list goes on. It needs to stop. You can't take wealth with you to the grave.

originally posted by: AdmireTheDistance
And who's going to pay for this?

you & I

originally posted by: mblahnikluver
a reply to: AkontaDarkpaw

Why would I go to Mexico for healthcare?! Seriously that place is a dump, no offense. I wouldn't even waste my money visiting Mexico let alone getting any medical treatment from them. I wouldn't trust them with anything medical. I would rather go to Canada.

This country needs to stop complaining about the little things and get angry over war and money given to other countries that could go to use here yet people only want to complain about welfare, which isn't even high on the list of free handouts we give!! It's not even a dent! Maybe if wages were right and cost of living wasn't so sky high and healthcare was affordable people would be able to live a nice life, contribute more to society and the economy just might be ok! But no these companies are greedy and only care about making money. Everything in our country is about profit. Banks, education, healthcare, real estate, jobs (pushy sales now in almost all jobs that are retail related) and the list goes on. It needs to stop. You can't take wealth with you to the grave.

Yes, you're right and no offense taken. Mexico is more affordable but most any other country is preferable.

I don't know about trusting Mexico with surgeries and whatnot but you do get the sense that they care which is a hell of a lot more than you get here in the states!

If we could just focus on our own country for once and stop trying to police the world maybe our country could regain its glory days if it ever truly had any.

Bring all troops home and focus on getting the government's hand out of all the honey pots, kill welfare for anyone but the most deserving as in those who can't work not those who choose not to, pool all the money that gets poured into Washington and divide it between the states, and let some new ideas be tested in individual states to see what works.

Take Nebraska as an example...

If every state had volunteer clinics and pharmaceutical companies donated medicines the poor could be taken care of.

If every state implemented foodnet where groceries, hospitals, and restaurants donated all their food that couldn't be sold or was the wrong order or near expiring, then food could be handed out to those who show up regardless of income.

One guy made it a point to only eat out of dumpsters and he was eating better than most people who actually buy food.. imagine if instead of dumping it they donated it to foodnet. Foodnet, unlike a foodbank, is available every day of the week so food doesn't have to be non perishable. When we've had to use it we got a lot of foods that we normally wouldn't have been able to afford. Like gourmet cheeses, meat, dairy, salads, artisan breads.. all donated.

Some have better donators than others but the point is we're so wasteful!

Or a distribution center where furniture, clothing, and other household items are donated and given to people within a specific income bracket to help them get on their feet or stay on their feet.

Forget homeless... there's a guy in California that makes tiny homes out of salvaged parts and the homeless live in them. They're $40-600/home depending on size and they're mobile. Create a tiny home community for the homeless/transients. They can OWN a home cheaper than renting. Homeless??? Not anymore!

That guy should be teaching others how to do the same. Completely eliminate homelessness altogether.

Together we can accomplish great things but first we have to throw off the mantle of selfishness and hoarding.

a reply to: AkontaDarkpaw


Well, I would edit my post to reflect "/sarcasm"......but I'm not sure that's really sarcasm, but it's definitely mockery.

a reply to: AkontaDarkpaw

If Mexico cared so much then why are their people flocking here in trucks and by all means necessary to get away? Mexico doesn't care because if they did their people wouldn't be coming here!

Just saying.

originally posted by: mblahnikluver
a reply to: AkontaDarkpaw

If Mexico cared so much then why are their people flocking here in trucks and by all means necessary to get away? Mexico doesn't care because if they did their people wouldn't be coming here!

Just saying.

Oh i didn't mean in any real sense... it's medical tourism. They're paid to pretend to care and they're better at it than our doctors are.

I dunno about this. Everyone should pay for their own. It's not like there's a lack of work or anything.

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: AkontaDarkpaw


Well, I would edit my post to reflect "/sarcasm"......but I'm not sure that's really sarcasm, but it's definitely mockery.

Which post are you referring to? I wasn't aware that i was sarcastic or mocking but that doesn't mean i wasn't....