Stand up and say Hell Yes!

I would see it as a Radical Conservative for doing something like that. Not liberal, they dont have much morals.

Originally posted by JediMaster
And theres always a turnoff switch for you in this topic Lev. Rap and the media has destroyed America.

I would love to debate you on this topic of rap, and the media.

Jedi,

Is 'rap and media' the only cause for the supposed decaying of America?! Is not racism, bigotry, hatred, lack of understanding, etc., also in this equation? You guys got to be kidding me to sit in here and tell that line of total bullsh!t that its 'rap and media'.

Leveller, as well as a few others, have been trying to indicate to you and others that the root problem here is MAN.....you, me, 'it', 'they', MANKIND! It all stems from us......corruption is a 'tool' used by man to place blame for 'everything going to sh!t' on someone or something. This is not a perfect definition of 'corruption' but it serves to illustrate the point that cause and effect is like a beginning and a end.......it starts with us (ie:Man) and it goes full circle and ends with us (ie:Man).

regards
seekerof

Originally posted by JediMaster
Rap fills their mind with sex, rape, foul, laguage, violence.

I recall a time when parents said the exact same thing about rock and roll.

Today, most kid's parents listen to rock and roll... so there is no way the kids can rebel using hard rock... AH! But the parents that like rock, hate rap! Epiphany! So, kids use rap to rebel.

Teenagers must rebel... it's in the blood... it's called hormones. Making a big deal about it only makes it worse. Let it happen, don't overreact, and they'll be fine.

Here's a scary thought... when today's kids are parents, and their kids are looking for a music to rebel with... what will it be?


The comment about rap and "ni--er" music was unfounded and should be taken back. Rap (pure rap) is a genuine American Art form... I experienced it's rise, and had the opportunity to meet the Sugar Hill Gang. Just as there is crap rock, there is crap rap. It's not the entire genre, just artists that leave a lot to be desired.

I'd say I half agree with seekerof, in that it is our fault.........but todays mass media is certainely one of our deadliest self-harming tools...........because this, along with bad parenting, is what plants and grows the racism and prejudice etc.

basically, if everyone was to wake up and realise what they're doing to the world, and regret it, we'dd all be happy, but that ain't gonna happen.....generations of bad parenting and badmedia and bad whatever else have already turned most of the population braindead.

But I wouldn't say Rap music is the main culprit. If anything, the entire pop genre is a brain rotter......I'm talking about the music we see 9am and hear on the morning radio by people like Britney Spears, et al.







[Edited on 28-6-2003 by chebob]

Originally posted by JediMaster
Rap and the media has destroyed America.

Sorry... you are wrong.

We are causing the destruction of America.

"The media" only responds to what sells. We have allowed generations to emerge that have lost the ability of discernment. Most of us no longer have the ability to judge what is quality art.

There is channel changer on your TV, but precious few of us changed the channel when Dukes of Hazard reigned chaos on the frontal lobe.

There are other records at the record store, but precious few of us did not buy disco.

There are other newspapers, but many of us buy U.S.A. Today.

Because we have nearly an entire population unable to fathom high art, we are in a downward spiral of lowest common denominator demographic-satisfying entertainment pabulum.

Consider this... many of Mozart's operas were performed for "the masses" or the common folk of the day. And today, we revere his work as high art.

There is no one to blame but ourselves... but we've never been good at accepting blame... we prefer to point fingers and find solace in the comfort that the ills of society are the fault of others.

Originally posted by chebob
I'd say I half agree with seekerof, in that it is our fault.........but todays mass media is certainely one of our deadliest self-harming tools...........because this, along with bad parenting, is what plants and grows the racism and prejudice etc.

basically, if everyone was to wake up and realise what they're doing to the world, and regret it, we'dd all be happy, but that ain't gonna happen.....generations of bad parenting and badmedia and bad whatever else have already turned most of the population braindead.

But I wouldn't say Rap music is the main culprit. If anything, the entire pop genre is a brain rotter......I'm talking about the music we see 9am and hear on the morning radio by people like Britney Spears, et al.
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Hi Chebob,

I'm not saying that 'rap' and 'media' doesn't play a role, I am merely eluding to the fact that they are not all inclusive; that they are not the only culprits to the problem(s).

regards
seekerof

[Edited on 28-6-2003 by Seekerof]

Originally posted by Seekerof

Hi Chebob,

I'm not saying that 'rap' and 'media' doesn't play a role, I am merely eluding to the fact that they are not all inclusive; that they are not the only culprits to the problem(s).

regards
seekerof

[Edited on 28-6-2003 by Seekerof]

Well, I guess thats a less heated way of saying what I was thinking....I don't think blame can be placed on one thing, cos there's a hell of a lot wrong with the world and most of it warps minds in some way or another, and it is because we're letting it happen.......It's just a shame most people are too greedy or big-headed to admit it

Let me rephrase that "People who listen to that gangsta rap, and the outragounes in the media is destroying America". You can get away with too much. Read "The Savage Nation" by Michael Savage, it will tell you what I mean.

Sorry I was gone I heard you missed me. The fact of the matter is that western civilization was based on white christian values and thats it not towel head believes not negro bull# no white believes and all through out history whites have been smarter and stronger its easy to see.

Well, wasn't western civilisation based on christian values?
And wasn't Jesus from the middle east, making him black (or there abouts)

So, give up the racist baloney and think before you speak.......it'll make you some friends in life

The US was based on Judeo-Chirstian values. But thats it, he might mean Europe.

Originally posted by JediMaster
The US was based on Judeo-Chirstian values. But thats it, he might mean Europe.

The modern america was founded by europeans who killed the Indians, so it ammounts to the same thing

Originally posted by bigo
Sorry I was gone I heard you missed me. The fact of the matter is that western civilization was based on white christian values and thats it not towel head believes not negro bull# no white believes and all through out history whites have been smarter and stronger its easy to see.

bigo,
Your one sick puppy my friend!! I don't know what 'clan' function you attended but I would most certainly suggest not attending anymore. I am utterly amazed at your cander and more so at your ignorance. Your comments border on Neo-Nazism if not down right white supremacist propaganda.


regards
seekerof

Originally posted by MaskedAvatar
As an aside, are you guys aware of the significance of Baden Powell, founder of the Boy Scout movement, in Freemasonry? Is it ever considered a recruitment channel for Masons, as in other countries?

TC, I believe both the Boy Scout movement and the gay community are sub-cultures, with their own values, rules and norms, by definition.

I am very pleased that TC believes a 'redneck' can be open to criticizing and rejecting 'evil plans' of government - especially if it includes the possibility of rejecting the current administration, who espouse certain redneck values, definitely - but who, ever since the unelected political appointment of puppet Bush, have been very happy to deceive their countrymen on the purpse of every act of foreign policy or military aggression.

You are in that position - having to distrust everything arsehole Bush tells you, and (if you bother) putting it into the categories of 'promise never to be fulfilled', 'new lie' or 'cover-up to avoid being caught out for previous lie'. There is hope while rednecks can critically analyze and dismiss this arsehole ans his fellow criminals, but I am not as confident as TC is that they can.

Leveller, thanks for unbundling the rubbish in the original quote in this post with your good eye for detail. I support what you said about the content and tone of that quote.

I have no doubt that in your liberal world the Boy Scouts of America is a subculture. By definition, even. That, sir, is just plain ignorant. You realize, don't you, that before the liberals started pushing to destroy the American society in the 60's that we had a culture? It wasn't multi or plural, it was American. The Boy Scouts of America teaches young boys how to be good men. It teaches them everything from rope-tieing, enjoying the ourtdoors, to proper courtesy. There's nothing "subculture" about that.

Homosexuality, by definition isn't a subculture, either. No more so than any other deviancy. Yes, you read that right, I said deviancy. For the last several thousand years it has been a deviancy, an immorality and an abomination and now, after the last 50 years and because you liberals tell me so, I'm supposed to throw out what God says and acccept the sin with open arms and say, "That's Great! It's just another lifestyle!" Yeah. I'll stick to my world that's rooted in something, not one that blows with the wind and the desires of a corrupt creature's heart (the condition of man).

As far as the "unelected political appointment of Bush", no matter what I think of Bush, I'm not so stupid as to believe a liberal lie that has already been disproved an hundred times over. If your definition of redneck is "Being too discerning as to buy liberal bullcrap", then, yes, I am a redneck. What the world needs is a few more rednecks.

Leveller, you have some twistings in your facts above, and you totally missed some points altogether, but I'll be back to help you understand. You can count on me, buddy! You know how summertimes are for Dads, we are kept busy. I'll be back, though.

TC

Semantics: subculture = a distinct network of behaviour, beliefs and attitudes existing within a larger culture. Nothing value-laden. "Sub" doesn't mean "less than" or "worse than", it means "subset of".

Boy Scout movement = subculture. One that meets your approval.

Homosexuality isn't subculture, you're right, I didn't say it was. It's a sexual orientation. But the gay community is a subculture. Unless you deny that the gay community exists, or you personally go and deal to every 'chocolate-dipping deviant no-good faggot' yourself.

I'm prepared to say "Hell, Yes" to life as an American under the Bush administration. It just depends where you put the em-PHAS-is. Life is hell in a divided, corrupt, greedy fast buck world mismanaged by these cretins.

I missed the 100 disproofs of Bush's political appointment. The counting of votes was not complete in the 2000 election before the Supreme Court stopped the count and appointed the PNAC puppet. What exactly did I miss?

Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
Leveller, thanks for unbundling the rubbish in the original quote in this post with your good eye for detail. I support what you said about the content and tone of that quote.

Leveller, you have some twistings in your facts above, and you totally missed some points altogether, but I'll be back to help you understand. You can count on me, buddy! You know how summertimes are for Dads, we are kept busy. I'll be back, though.

My aim wasn't to tell you that the statement at the start of this post is wrong. If you want to live your life that way, dude, then go do it!!! Damn, it's a free world!!!
But when you live like that you have to make sure that you aren't making enemies.

I guess I'm a Republican at heart. I'm UK and I vote for the party that here that most resembles the Republican Party.
My aim in my post was to show you how easy it is for us to make enemies.

It doesn't mean that we're wrong. We just aren't communicating with each other properly.


See, I have a conspiracy theory.
I reckon if we can cut through all the bull#, the prejudice, the lies, the fear, the hatred and all of the other weaknesses that we inflict on each other, the picture will be a helluva lot clearer.

We don't have to lose any of our beliefs, our cultures, our individuality. We have to look at things from the point of view that everybody who we disagree with is right. You've got to realise that you're right too.

Before you take a look at the world, try to understand yourself and your fellow man. Try to look at things from every angle. Always put yourself in the other guy's shoes.

You can't understand the world until you understand yourself.

I believe that once you get that far, you will start seeing what is out there. You will recognise the truth for what it is because you will have a better understanding of man.

Another example of primitivism combined with praising of body pleasures which would result with violence and total disaster.

Also:

I think Bill Gates has every right to keep every penny he made and continue to make more. If that ticks you off, go and invent the next operating system that�s better and pout you name on the building. Ask you buddy that invented the Internet to help you.

Invent better Operating System? There is, stupid.
Mac OS X, worlds most advanced system (www.apple.com/macosx) I happen to work on it right now and I can comfirm the claim. It is ignorance and stupidity of people why Windows are mainstream operating system. But as I said, hail to the Mac OS X, the only good existing alternative to Windows on the planet for people who think different.

HELL YES!!!! I did not find this thread to be Conservative, or Liberal, but it did hit home.

America! We love you! How many people are proud to be citizens of this beautiful country of ours? The stripes and the stars for the rights that men have died for to protect
The women and men who have broke their necks for the freedom of speech the United States government has sworn to uphold, or so we're told...


Jedi, for your comments about rap music I have taken the liberty of nominating you for the next moron award.

I have also taken the liberty to post the lyric's of rapper eminem. The content at times may be objectionable but my reasons for doing this should be obvious to even the most stupid readers.




Album: The Eminem Show (2002)
Song: Square Dance

Intro

People!! It feels so good to be back. Ladies and Gentlemen, introducing the new and improved, you know who

Verse 1
Never been the type to bend or budge, the wrong button to push, no friend of Bush
I'm the centerpiece, you're a Maltese. I'm a pitbull off his leash, all this peace talk can cease
All these people I had to leave in limbo, I'm back now, I've come to release this info
I'll be brief and let me just keep # simple, can-a-bitch don't want no beef with Slim? Noooo!
Not even on my radar, so won't you please jump off my dick, lay off and stay off
a nd follow me as I put these crayons to chaos from s�ance to s�ance, aw-a-aw-sh-a-aw

Chorus (X2)
C'mon now, let's all get on down, let's do-si-do now, we gon' have a good ol' time
Don't be scared, cus there ain't nothin' to worry 'bout, let your hair down, and square dance with me!

Verse 2
Let your hair down to the track, yeah kick on back. Boo! The boogie monster of rap, yeah the man's back
with a plan to ambush this Bush administration, mush the Senate's face in, push this generation
of kids to stand and fight for the right to say something you might not like, this white hot light
that I'm under, no wonder I look so sunburnt, oh no I won't leave no stone unturned
Oh no I won't leave, won't go nowhere, do-si-do, oh, yo, ho, hello there
oh yeah don't think I won't go there, go to Beirut and do a show there
yah you laugh till your mutha#in' ass gets drafted, while you're at band camp thinkin' the crap can't happen
till you # around, get an anthrax napkin, inside a package wrapped in saran wrap wrapping
open the plastic and then you stand back gasping, #in' assassins hijackin' Amtracks crashin'
all this terror America demands action, next thing you know you've got Uncle Sam's ass askin'
to join the army or what you'll do for their Navy. You just a baby, gettin' recruited at eighteen
You're on a plane now, eatin' their food and their baked beans. I'm twenty-eight, they're gonna take you 'fore they take me
Crazy insane or insane crazy? When I say Hussein, you say Shady
My views ain't changed, still inhumane, wait, arraigned two days late, the date's today, hang me!

Chorus (X2)

Verse 3
Nothin' moves me more than a groove that soothes me, nothin' soothes me more than a groove that boosts me
nothin' boosts me more, or suits me beautifully, there's nothin' you can do to me, stab me shoot me
psychotic, hypnotic product I got it the antibiotic, ain't nobody hotter and so on
and yada yada, god I talk a lotta hem de lay la la la, oochie walla um da dah da dah da but you gotta gotta
keep movin', there's more music to make, keep makin' new #, produce hits to break
the monotony, what's gotten into me? Drugs, rock, and Hennessey, thug like I'm 'Pac on my enemies
on your knees, got you under siege, somebody you would give a lung to be
hun-ga-ry, like a #in' younger me, # the fee, I can get you jumped for free
y ah buddy, laugh it's funny, I have the money to have you killed by somebody who has nothing
I'm past bluffing, pass the K-Y, let's get ready for some intense, serious ass #ing!

Chorus (X2)

Outro
Dr. Dre, wants to square dance with me
Nasty Nas, wants to square dance with me
X to the Z, wants to square dance with me
Busta Rhymes, wants to square dance with me
Cana-bitch, won't square dance with me
Fan-a-bitch, won't square dance with me
Canada-bis, don't want no parts of me
Dirty Dozen, wants to square dance with you
Yee-Haw!!!

As one can see alot of the content herein is actually discussed here a ATS. So therefore to a redneck even this site is a ruination of Americas values.


Yee-Haw, Hell yes stand up you redneck mo-fo's. Show us who you are.

Come on TC and I are'nt rednecks. We are just gun-happy.

Maddas, gangtsa rap and Eminem are immoral as Hitler was evil. It teaches kids bad things, like drugs and language I would never let my kids listen to Eminem. 50 Cent was a former crak dealer, they are all in drugs.

The USA is going downhill moraly since the 60s when the liberals took over. I wish I could've been born then the 40s or 50s.