✔ The red pill video watch if you want to wake up quickly.(911)

a reply to: lordcomac

Bits of military grade thermite- stuff that isn't easy to get even now, was found in the rubble. Not just a little bit, either.

Proof of this is where?

a reply to: neutronflux

I do not need to answer any of your questions seeing, that you jump in this thread without viewing the OP video.

Many of your questions and arguments are answered in the OP video that you have clearly ignored.

Are you here to give any real evidence to support your OS narratives, besides someone else talking points, and "opinions" on a blog? Metabunk?

www.metabunk.org...

The false assertion by the very few who support the OS narratives, claiming that WTC steel was collected and studied for residue of explosions is one of the biggest lies ever told.

Before ANY investigation was ever done on the WTC, all the WTC debris was GONE! Removed, put on barges and sold to China for scrap, or are you going to deny that to?

You believe you are controlling the narratives here, your not.

Totally ignoring a culture of jihad that is funded by rich Middle Eastern interests with support from various aspects of middle eastern governments and harbored by various mosques world wide.

You put words in my mouth.

The fact is I do not believe terrorist from middle Eastern countries pulled off 911, my reached leads me to insiders in our government and yes Banking Cartels who really funded 911.

The real fact is, only one family had the motives, the means, the know how, and the Power to pull off 911.

That family needed 911 to get their illegal wars of terrorism, that family needed to get in to Iraq, Afghanistan, Sudan, and now North Korea. There is only one family in the world, that has nearly 95 % control of most countries, not only the countries, but their governments as well.

There is only but one very powerful organization, that is above our government and they hold the highest top secrete clearance in the world. And the fact is this powerful organization does the bidding for this powerful family.

For anyone to really believe Bin Laden did 911, just proves how the properganda media did their jobs hoodwinking the world. Oh and remember who controls the world media?

So we can do the dance of smoke and mirrors, of prove this, prove that, in a circular argument that will never end.

My point is the OP video may not prove anything, however the narrator of the video does ask some compelling questions while given some evidence to support his "opinions".

I watched that documentary it was actually fantastically done. i'd recommend it to everyone.

a reply to: Informer1958

What family you mean? The Royals?

a reply to: Informer1958

There is only but one very powerful organization, that is above our government and they hold the highest top secrete clearance in the world.

Who?

originally posted by: MissCoyote
I watched that documentary it was actually fantastically done. i'd recommend it to everyone.

meh, just another documentary that focuses on asking questions that can be answered by the ones that have studied the event and leaves the ones ignorant to the facts playing a guessing game because they haven't done their homework if you ask me. What part do you find so convincing?

a reply to: Informer1958

You have been proven wrong again and again on the misconception of there was no inspection of the WTC steel. You dogmatic belief in the truth movement con makes you irrational beyond the point of intellectual debate.

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a reply to: Informer1958

Sad you cannot even come to terms with they could not remove the debris from the WTC in a hurry. The removal was slow and engineered out of fear the slurry wall would collapse.

Then the steel and debris was sent to staging areas for inspection, and the recovery of evidence, remains, and personal effects.

Is this true or false?

a reply to: Informer1958

You willfully choose to push the con of the truth movement that the WTC debris and steel was not inspected. When there is save artifacts, the documented recovery of over 19,000 individual pieces of human remains, the documentation and individual accounts of the saved steel, and the documented and individual accounts of steel samples, examination, and testing.

Documents on the WTC floor connections recovered.

Documents on the WTC welds from the recovered steel.

You are short on credibility.

originally posted by: justb0b
a reply to: lordcomac

Bits of military grade thermite- stuff that isn't easy to get even now, was found in the rubble. Not just a little bit, either.

Proof of this is where?

According to the video, several laboratories have small samples. Shame that couldn't get large samples, with all the rubble being immediately shipped over seas for recycling, eh?

Also lots of pictures, video, and eye witness accounts of molten metal in the rubble. While I agree that a plane has a whole lot of aluminum, and aluminum melts at a much lower temperature than steel... Not a single high rise fire had ever taken down a steel structure before this, and on this day they took three- all in a very controlled fashion, with the center supports going out just before the external support, which is the only way to have a building that tall collapse in it's own foot print.

On the two towers, the steel shell was consistently broken in regular intervals past the lobby, where there wasn't any way to access the frame without setting up ladders. Even though the entire sky scraper exploded and rubble fell straight down, the steel was standing.


The only thing I have to add that wasn't covered in the video is how molten metal flows. The video shows a quote of some fire fighters taking about molten metal flowing in channels like they were in a foundry. I assume those were steel channels. Concrete spalls, explodes when suddenly exposed to molten metal temps.

Molten aluminum will eat hot steel. There was quite a bit of aluminum added to that building. Having said that, it wouldn't be evenly distributed between the floors and eating the frame at every level.
During the collapse, multi ton steel beams jumped up, and outward.
Hundreds of consistently sized explosions took place- in groups, to hide their numbers. A bunch went off in the first hit tower when the second tower was hit, even.
Somebody was carefully timing those.
I've avoided this topic most of my life because I can't stand watching people choose to ignore reality for convenience, but now I'm starting to look at what's available- and the whole thing reeks of coverup... And what couldn't be covered up was lied about and ignored.

The entire NIST should have been under investigation for fraud decades ago. The fact that they were not tells me that the FBI, at a minimum, was complaint in this.
Seeing the crap various agencies are being dragged out for today, I have no trouble believing they were all in on it.

Especially since those crooked bastards all got more funding because of it.

Probably an inside job- and if not, certainly a job involving at least two American three letter agencies.

a reply to: Informer1958

Then state what you think is the no BS cause of collapse of WTC 1 and 2.

I bet you are a fire extinguisher bomb kinda guy!

Note: guy is not being used to specify any gender type or perception.....

a reply to: lordcomac

Can you cite the experiments. Where they ever conducted the experiments in an inert atmosphere to prove it was thermite.

The last I know was of Steven Jones thermite tests. Results that could not be reproduced by other individuals. Jones never conducted his experiments in an inert atmosphere when asked too.

Are you saying it is abnormal that a building clad in aluminum, and housing aluminum office furniture and wiring, would produce aluminum dust during collapse?

The combined weight of the towers were over 1,000,000 tons. Do you realize how much thermite would have to be used and not be reacted to even reach detectable amounts in lab samples?

a reply to: Informer1958

You may be correct, however those Towers fell in 10 second, and for the life of me, a few bad rivets couldnt have caused all that.

a few bad rivets + wait for it......... a plane impacted into the building.

He is correct, fires and jet fuel would not be enough to weaken the entire WTC structure to cause the collapse, something else was in the WTC that shouldn't have been there.

Yes,


A plane that impacted the building.

Airplanes were used on 911.

Yes, but everything you write about the towers you imply there was damage from fire and jet fuel but how you express your opinion you imply that planes didn't hit the towers.

Fact: There are to many News footage videos of Airplanes slamming into the two WTC taken on the morning of 911.

So now in 2 posts you make this clear, however look at the 2 first quotes in this post of mine.

then we have this, also implying that no planes hit.

The observations of comparing many high rise building fires, that never fell down, even after completely burning up.

is this comparison with other high rise buildings on fire due to a plane hitting them?

If not how can such a comparison be made?

The man brings to our attention that many high-rise around the world have completely burned, yet never fell. Why is that?

No,

this has been argued countless times where people that don't think, think its logical to compare a building hit by plane and on fire with another building on fire.

If both building were hit by the same planes traveling at the same speeds with the same weight and both buildings had the same designs and built using the same materials then I could agree that you could make comparisons but this idiotic comparison of other high rise buildings is a joke.

One cant take anyone seriously when they think to compare such things has any logic at all.

Its just about as bad as using broad statements or asking broad questions and expecting a direct answer.

Like this for instance

Are we to believe that American Engineers and Architects do not know how to build better buildings than over sea's Engineers?

You can believe what you wish.

Some may be, some may not be.

The fact is, high-rise fires are so rare, and it is very rare for high-rises to fall due to fires, yet on 911 three high-rises only partially burned, and yet, all three buildings fell under suspicious circumstances. The office fires OS is laughable at best, and the fact is, no real credibal science written to explain it, can stand up to real scrutiny.

Now you are going back to acting like no planes hit the buildings.

Fact is, thousand of Architects, Engineers that have government contracts working in many corporation, will never give their personal "opinions" about the NIST Report, due to the fact they do not want to risk "career suicide" and their reputations.

Some of the facts you bring are correct in my opinion, however, this above is just your opinion, its something you like to say to others when they claim things are facts yet they aren't.

How cold you possibly know the intentions of 1000s of architects and engineers and why they do or do not do something?

Are you seriously that deluded?

Or can you see how maybe that is just your opinion?

a reply to: InhaleExhale

A few rivets and a plane flying into the WTC would not cause the entire building to fall in 10 seconds.

A fact that you do not understand, only a part of the WTC would have falling the lower bottom half of the WTC would still be standing.

All buildings fall by their lease of resistance, however that's not what happened at the WTC.

Demolition is the only scientific thing that can explain what happened to the WTC.

Can you explain to me how a plan flying into the WTC, would cause every floor Joist on a hundred and ten floors to break away simultaneously?

And you call me "deluded"

Did I call you any condescending names? Why the ad hominem attacks?

originally posted by: Informer1958
a reply to: InhaleExhale


A fact that you do not understand, only a part of the WTC would have falling the lower bottom half of the WTC would still be standing.

Would you like to explain in detail this so-called "fact?" What expertise do you have in structural engineering?

a reply to: pteridine

What expertise do you have in structural engineering?

I was not aware, you have to be an expert to join in a discussion?

a reply to: neutronflux

What company tested the steel beams for residue chemical compounds for demolition?

originally posted by: Informer1958
a reply to: pteridine

What expertise do you have in structural engineering?

I was not aware, you have to be an expert to join in a discussion?

Since you made the statement "a fact that you do not understand, only a part of the WTC would have falling the lower bottom half of the WTC would still be standing" and no other structural engineer has made such a statement, I thought you would like to explain it so non-experts could understand such an elusive "fact."

a reply to: pteridine

Since you made the statement "a fact that you do not understand,

No sir, you do not understand because you support the OS narratives.

and no other structural engineer has made such a statement, I thought you would like to explain it so non-experts could understand such an elusive "fact."

#1 of 6: NIST's WTC 7 Reports: Filled with Fantasy, Fiction, and Fraud

www1.ae911truth.org...

I'll make it easy for everyone. People can go to the above sources and view the information for themselves and form their "own" opinions.