✔ The red pill video watch if you want to wake up quickly.(911)

a reply to: Informer1958

The fact is, TPTB would "never" allow any arguments, or science in "any" court of law. Why you may ask? Because it just might prove someone in our government had something to do with planning, and carrying out the demise of the WTC, because we all know 19 alleged hijacker didn't blow up the WTC.

As the evidence prove this is true, by using NIST to help hid the real visual evidence, by "ignoring" and lying about it in their pseudo report.

Another fact is, there is nothing to argue about Aegis lawsuit, it was all a dog and pony show going along with the OS narratives.

None of those are facts.
They are your opinion.

No one bothered to look into demolition, the fact, that was completely ignored.

Because there is no evidence to support demolition.
Your belief in demolition is based on Youtube and innuendo.
Neither of which are admissible in court.

I wonder what the explanation for this would be......17 steel framed floors collapsing from fire alone.... www.youtube.com...

a reply to: cardinalfan0596

I remember reading Gage tried to claim that was thermite as well, hahaa, what an idiot that guy is.

a reply to: chortled
Planes struck the towers and the pentagon, there was damage, collapses and losses of life. What should be being looked at is the Saudi involvement. The physics of what happened that day are not much in doubt, maybe the reports aren't perfect, but they are a realistic explanation of what happened. There were no missiles, no thermite, no controlled demolitions, these are all just misinformation started by muslims to make america turn on itself. Good americans with education know better than to believe the foolishness. Other americans are either muslims or muslim sympathizers or just plain gullible.

a reply to: silo13

Thats not steel...

a reply to: Informer1958

You played this game before. I asked nobody to believe the Aegis lawsuit testimony. I asked for a logical argument to rebuke the sworn testimony and evidence provided to support fire that caused a series of events leading to collapse.

Please provide your top two no BS facts that prove WTC 7 implosion.....

You got arguments and evidence,or just pointless innuendo....

Shame certain people fall prey to the cons of the truth movement and their biased closed minded faith in false conspiracy theories will always be a road block to truth.

Bet you still will not state the two WTC 1 and 2 collapse theories you think are total BS in the spirit to get to the truth.

originally posted by: chortled
a reply to: Informer1958

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I know it must be hard to ignore a cult of jihad backed by rich Middle Eastern interests and governments, set to cause as much disruption and death as possible, to wage war on western culture. I think the argument based on innuendo, "how did 19 individuals living in caves" is one of the best examples how the truth movement uses false arguments.

awesome video. but it doesnt answer the biggest question: WHY? why was it necessary to commit the act of destruction they disguised as a terrorist attack? what were they trying to hide?

a reply to: chortled

Does that mean there are no good Muslim Americans?

originally posted by: TzarChasm
awesome video. but it doesnt answer the biggest question: WHY? why was it necessary to commit the act of destruction they disguised as a terrorist attack? what were they trying to hide?

Al Queda did i to strike back on american soil, maybe the saudis were behind it, if they were then it needs to be discovered, this whole fighting about explosives is stupid, the science behind the buidling collapses is sound.

originally posted by: TzarChasm
awesome video. but it doesnt answer the biggest question: WHY? why was it necessary to commit the act of destruction they disguised as a terrorist attack? what were they trying to hide?

The biggest questions...

Why the government would include and cover up for the owners of WTC 7.

Why the firefighters would cover up for WTC 7, but be lead like sheep to a slaughter in the towers.

In the context the EPA lost lawsuits over their botched reporting on how toxic the WTC dust was, why Aegis would not go after the WTC 7 owners for sabotage if there was credible evidence of implosion. Aegis based their lawsuit against the WTC 7 owners based on improper design and neglect. Think of the billions the insurance companies could recuperate if they could prove the government was liable for 9/11 like the EPA on their botched dust samples.

In the false narrative of implosion, where was the control station to initiate the implosion. And who in the heck had the magic key to trigger the implosion.

a reply to: neutronflux

Is there any part of 911 that you would want to see reinvestigated and come under increased scrutiny?

a reply to: neutronflux

I asked for a logical argument to rebuke the sworn testimony and evidence provided to support fire that caused a series of events leading to collapse.

You and I have been though this lame argument a hundred times. I am not on ATS to give "opinions" or arguments as facts.

What good does it do? Nothing.

Did you even bothered to watch the video in the OP?

The man brings to our attention that many high-rise around the world have completely burned, yet never fell.

Why is that?

Are we to believe that American Engineers and Architects do not know how to build better buildings than over sea's Engineers?

The fact is, high-rise fires are so rare, and it is very rare for high-rises to fall due to fires, yet on 911 three high-rises only partially burned, and yet, all three buildings fell under suspicious circumstances.

The office fires OS is laughable at best, and the fact is, no real credibal science written to explain it, can stand up to real scrutiny.

The NIST Report has failed the test repeatably. Fact is, NIST Report was written to support a political agenda and the science is so bad that Engineers and Architects around the world questioned it.

Fact is, thousand of Architects, Engineers that have government contracts working in many corporation, will never give their personal "opinions" about the NIST Report, due to the fact they do not want to risk "career suicide" and their reputations.

The fact is, NIST is part of our government, and most people fail to even recognize that.

a reply to: Informer1958

R U an engineer ?

a reply to: Informer1958

And again, I asked you to provide a credible argument against the sworn testimony for the WTC 7 lawsuit that proves fire leading to a series of events that lead to collapse.
The court documents can be found here. www.metabunk.org...

Asked you to discredit WTC 2 inward bowing and collapse as shown and outlined here.
www.metabunk.org...


The high rise steel building fire collapse in Tehran.
Title: Tehran fire: Twenty firemen killed as high-rise collapses
www.google.com...

Please state what building that survived a fire was built like WTC 1 and 2. Pre 9/11 inspections that documented insufficient fire proofing. Constructed with minimal concrete and no mid supports for the long floor trusses. Broken fire sprinkler systems with no fire water. That is not even getting into the conspiracy the material for the towers were bought on the cheap, sacrificing component quality. I know this has been explained to you at length.

Please state what building that survived a fire was built like WTC 7. Testimony that the fire proofing was insufficient. The abnormal geometry of the building and the abnormal angles of trusses / beams, with long spans with no support, and with improper floor connections. No fire water from sprinklers or fire fighting efforts.

Totally ignoring a culture of jihad that is funded by rich Middle Eastern interests with support from various aspects of middle eastern governments and harbored by various mosques world wide.

Can you provide two or three no BS items of evidence for implosion.

Are you saying for the towers, the first implosion of a building over fifty floors and the first top down implosion was carried out perfectly by a detonation system that would have been made inoperable by fire and severed by jet impacts? Twice in one day?

Why would the government include and protect the owners of WTC 7 if the WTC 7 owners sabotaged their own building?

Why would firefighters cover for WTC 7, but be lead as sheep to a slaughter at the towers.

No sound of implosion charges detonating from WTC 1, 2, and 7.

Thermite burns too slow for a top down implosion requiring precision timing.

Thermite burns slow enough, if used on vertical columns, the weight of the building would push the molten cuts together. At least cold welding the cuts back together.

The false assertion by the truth movement that no effort was put forth to collect evidence, personal effects, and human remains from the WTC debris. The fact is, as proven by items, documents, testimony, reports, and lab analysis, is that steel was retained and studied. The WTC debris was throughly hand searched.

a reply to: Informer1958

And you still will not state two WTC tower conspiracy collapse theories you think are total BS? In the spirit of getting to the truth?

Just pick two:
Fizzle no flash bombs.
Dustification.
Thermite ceiling tiles.
Spray on thermite.
Holograms and missiles.
Holograms and lasers.
Nukes.
Fire extinguisher bombs.
Rebar coated in C-4.
Building built to self destruct.
Energy weapons.

a reply to: Informer1958

The office fires OS is laughable at best, and the fact is, no real credibal science written to explain it, can stand up to real scrutiny.

Thats your opinion.

originally posted by: TzarChasm
awesome video. but it doesnt answer the biggest question: WHY? why was it necessary to commit the act of destruction they disguised as a terrorist attack? what were they trying to hide?

"Why?" Is the easiest thing to answer, here.
Just look at the federal laws passed since- not one person in this country can have any damned privacy any more.
The government was afraid of the people, as it should be- and decided to take matters into it's own hands.

Watch the video. Bits of military grade thermite- stuff that isn't easy to get even now, was found in the rubble. Not just a little bit, either.

I'm only half way through the video myself. Before now I knew the job didn't match the official story- the story doesn't line up with reality at all. You can see the charges blowing each floor as they go, and there's no lack of evidence of steel beams that were melted. Look for pictures.

These three steel skeleton buildings were the first three in history to collapse from a fire. The fire burned under ground soaked I'm water for months. Only magnesium can do that - thermite.

Combine that with the pictures of beams clearly melted through, and there isn't much doubt on what took the three buildings down.

Hell, the nist model for 7 didn't even match the video. They couldn't cgi yup a failure scenario that matched what actually happened. Those buildings would have fallen over if it was fire that caused the structure to fail.

What we saw was a controlled demolition, followed by the first full scale propaganda job ever done.

At this point I can see that the facts point to an inside job. Looking forward to the rest of the video when I get the time.

a reply to: lordcomac

Bits of military grade thermite- stuff that isn't easy to get even now, was found in the rubble. Not just a little bit, either.

Proof of this is where?