BREAKING: House Majority Whip Steve Scalise, multiple aides shot at Congressional baseball practice

originally posted by: dawnstar
oh, by the way... the USS Fitzgerald has collided with another ship, there's 7 crewmembers missing...
would be nice to take some time to pray that they are found safe???

Hopefully that's something we can all agree on.

a reply to: Grambler

but the post that attacked me...
by placing the blame on me....wasn't he also justifying the actual shooter....
kind of like, well you can't blame the shooter, he just went off because of you all informing us of the cbo score that says that millions of people are gonna lose their health insurance... you terrified the poor guy with your "lies"!!

looking at it this way, it seems that most of the people on this thread has been trying to take the blame off the shooter to place it somewhere else...

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: Grambler

but the post that attacked me...
by placing the blame on me....wasn't he also justifying the actual shooter....
kind of like, well you can't blame the shooter, he just went off because of you all informing us of the cbo score that says that millions of people are gonna lose their health insurance... you terrified the poor guy with your "lies"!!

looking at it this way, it seems that most of the people on this thread has been trying to take the blame off the shooter to place it somewhere else...

I can only speak for myself, and I have consistently from like page 4 of this thread put blame only on the shooter.

I have criticized ideologies that weaker minded people may use as justifications for violence, but would only blame the perpetrator for that violence.

a reply to: dawnstar

To answer your question, no blaming people for pushing false hateful rhetoric like 24 million people will die from this healthcare bill is not the same as trying to justify the shooting. It simply spreads some of the blame around. In the end the shooter is still responsible for his own actions and we all condemn him. Some people in here don't, they think it was justified because of what I stated, among other reasons. No matter whether you think they're to blame or not, it's irresponsible for people to spread such ridiculously false nonsense like Republicans are trying to kill 24 million people that may send unstable people like this shooter over the edge.

originally posted by: spiritualzombie

Thats why america must become strong like Russia and rid itself of the infection of SJW's and Progressives, or it will be eaten alive and die from within. Putin has strong support and so will trump if he locks up the SJW's and Progressives, don't worry, they will feed you well and keep a roof over your head for free, just like you progressives like. They might make you work for your keep, but the jobs will be for the good of the nation.

originally posted by: secretagent77

originally posted by: spiritualzombie

Thats why america must become strong like Russia and rid itself of the infection of SJW's and Progressives, or it will be eaten alive and die from within. Putin has strong support and so will trump if he locks up the SJW's and Progressives, don't worry, they will feed you well and keep a roof over your head for free, just like you progressives like. They might make you work for your keep, but the jobs will be for the good of the nation.

Garbage. I would be right there with the sjws I disagree with defending yh from authoritarians like you.

But it's moot cause you are just trolling.

a reply to: Grambler

Apt name he has there isn't it?

a reply to: Grambler

How do you suggest the SJW's and progressives be stopped? You don't see them as a clear and present danger to the nation itself?

The guy was bat snip crazy but was also sane enough to make plan, carry out and develop target list and finally decide to pull trigger - yes he's responsible and under legal doctrine he knew right from wrong. Had he lived no insanity defense due planning and forethought.

My issue and it's one that applies across the board is that along the way individuals receive affirmation of their worldview from those sharing radical views, be it FB, internet, other social media, media and yes politicians.

Affirmation of this type behavior is dangerous obviously.

Second issue is deniers of affirmation having anything to do with violent behavior by individuals such as this.

Third issue are excuse makers coming up with all manner reasons for the behavior besides crazy man acts after ideas affirmed by non-violent fellow believers.

When discussing terror groups we have not near the issue pointing out method of radicalism as driver to action.

Not much difference to me foreign or domestic.

I repeat this applies across the board, far left, far right.

On this occasion it's from left, if next occasion (let's hope no more) then I'll just as well condemn it.

originally posted by: secretagent77

originally posted by: spiritualzombie

Thats why america must become strong like Russia and rid itself of the infection of SJW's and Progressives, or it will be eaten alive and die from within. Putin has strong support and so will trump if he locks up the SJW's and Progressives, don't worry, they will feed you well and keep a roof over your head for free, just like you progressives like. They might make you work for your keep, but the jobs will be for the good of the nation.

Are you even being serious?

a reply to: face23785

well. this is what I've gleened from what the republicans seem to be saying...
one, I might not be getting the check from the gov't anymore soon... since well, I am getting one because I am disabled...
two... to get that disability I had to go to one of the social security doctors who after examining me told me that I really should get to a doctor asap.... I laughed at him!!! at that time, I had no income, no help from the gov't so, well, forget about health care...
in about a year... I can maybe get on medicare.... betcha they screw that one up on me so I can just wait longer...

but still, I have no desire to go travel through a few states to a baseball field to take pop shots at the men... AND KIDS... that happen to be there, regardless of weather they are congressmen or not... that is just insane, plain and simple...

and to secretagent77.....

the term "progressive" and "SJW" have been used so wildly, I have no idea just who or what you are referring to...
but let me make this very clear to you...
I have a son who served during the present wars... a husband and a brother who serve in vietnam.... another brother who was kidnapped by islamic radicals in the phillipeans while he served... a father who served in ww2.... and I can trace this all the way back to the revolutionary war.... just about every danged war this country has fought!!!
I think what you just proposed would go against everything any of them fought for and I know for sure my father would be rolling in his grave!! first because you seem to want to bring back the internment camps that so many in his generation saw so much horror within, and second, because you seem to exalt russia on a pedestal, and many of yous seem to trust russia more than your own danged country!!!
by the way.... you'd have to kill me if you did decide to lock me up and think that I would work for you! if society and the gov't wanted me working so badly.... they would have helped me back when I asked instead of ignoring me and just keep coming back for more and more money with the excuse of the cost of medicaid!!! yous lost out, so sorry!!

originally posted by: secretagent77
a reply to: Grambler

How do you suggest the SJW's and progressives be stopped? You don't see them as a clear and present danger to the nation itself?

I see you just registered today. Are you kin to Thunderbolt or Thack?

a reply to: Phoenix


so, I suppose that when the crazy republican congressman says that no one has ever died from this crappy healthcare system that leaves a large chunk of WORKING CLASS MEN AND WOMEN out of the loop, we should just all agree with him, even if we know danged well that he is either stupid as dirt or lying through his teeth???

we should just not report the fact that if the republicans get what they want, the insurance premiums just might double or triple for those with pre existing conditions and older americans??
else we affirm the beliefs of the insane person???

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: face23785

well. this is what I've gleened from what the republicans seem to be saying...
one, I might not be getting the check from the gov't anymore soon... since well, I am getting one because I am disabled...
two... to get that disability I had to go to one of the social security doctors who after examining me told me that I really should get to a doctor asap.... I laughed at him!!! at that time, I had no income, no help from the gov't so, well, forget about health care...
in about a year... I can maybe get on medicare.... betcha they screw that one up on me so I can just wait longer...

but still, I have no desire to go travel through a few states to a baseball field to take pop shots at the men... AND KIDS... that happen to be there, regardless of weather they are congressmen or not... that is just insane, plain and simple...

and to secretagent77.....

the term "progressive" and "SJW" have been used so wildly, I have no idea just who or what you are referring to...
but let me make this very clear to you...
I have a son who served during the present wars... a husband and a brother who serve in vietnam.... another brother who was kidnapped by islamic radicals in the phillipeans while he served... a father who served in ww2.... and I can trace this all the way back to the revolutionary war.... just about every danged war this country has fought!!!
I think what you just proposed would go against everything any of them fought for and I know for sure my father would be rolling in his grave!! first because you seem to want to bring back the internment camps that so many in his generation saw so much horror within, and second, because you seem to exalt russia on a pedestal, and many of yous seem to trust russia more than your own danged country!!!
by the way.... you'd have to kill me if you did decide to lock me up and think that I would work for you! if society and the gov't wanted me working so badly.... they would have helped me back when I asked instead of ignoring me and just keep coming back for more and more money with the excuse of the cost of medicaid!!! yous lost out, so sorry!!

Wait are you saying you don't currently have healthcare? I thought Obama fixed that?

a reply to: secretagent77

Millions if not billions have been poured in to agitate beyond anything I've seen. Shadow Government? TPTB, I don't know but highly suspect that one of their own former members turned upon them and they will do anything take him down, him being Trump who knows inside track on these people.

Billions if not Trillions are at stake and many want status quo to remain as is.

I believe foreign monetary influence as well as domestic abounds and that RICO statutes may come into play with patience and steadfast legal work.

I believe what you call SJW are being manipulated into action they'd not otherwise commit and are being goaded.

Go after the money and the head (s) of the snake will be ferreted out. The radicalism will diminish as movement is discredited by revelation of funding sources.

No need for totalitarianism you'd bring to table and do us all a favor and crawl back under it.

a reply to: dawnstar

You're aware premiums have already doubled in some places right? And people are already losing insurance because companies are pulling out of places they can't make a profit due to this broken system we currently have? I suppose that's all Trump's fault though. We discussed this pages ago. If you want to be schooled on how most of the nonsense you think about the new healthcare bill is wrong, make a thread on it.

a reply to: face23785

I live in Virginia.... obamacare didn't help much, no extension...
I might have been able to get medicaid after I was confirmed to be disabled, but since I already had one son living with me who needed my car every day, who was getting some money, well, I probably wouldn't have...
and I was only getting $700 at first when I did start getting disability payments, and you can't live on that anyways...
so no, it was close to a year with me not making anything, then a few months of me making that small amount, and well... heck with it... like I said earlier.... they are probably prolonging my life by blocking me from the healthcare system anyways considering the side effects of most of their drugs!

a reply to: dawnstar

So the current healthcare system sucks for you. Got it. Um, yeah Trump's fault.

a reply to: dawnstar

You know better than that as I know I have posted right along with you in several healthcare related threads and have even answered your posts directly in some of those.

The entire system stinks and needs burning down using existing law so folks like you and I and those with conditions can actually afford healthcare without the shenanigans.

But I don't see what this really has to do with this thread?

The claims on both dem and rep side are patently false amounting to rearranging deck chairs on titanic.

5, 10, 50 100 million makes no matter what lying numbers are used - it's all still lying.

We have laws, THEY need to uphold them or we need to chuck them out of office.