BREAKING: House Majority Whip Steve Scalise, multiple aides shot at Congressional baseball practice

an interesting article from not that long ago....

newrepublic.com...

originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: Phoenix

Your husband was probably not union laborer in Idaho when it went Reaganism and right to work. They cut his pay by $8/per hour, no benefits, instant poverty level. Not counting the tax deductions we use to have.

I was in the great socialist state of NY, a union bastion of depravity, nepotism and high taxes but had sense enough to escape to the free state of Texas on $600 and did very well there.

1 -2% on the dollar of credit card deduction offset by larger personal deductible is hardly an issue unless one is absolutely stupid enough to use IRS as a savings plan.

I scratch my noggin at all the fools overpaying all year and claiming windfall in April.

Still no excuse and sickening to attempt reason of justification for egging on a nutcase.

a reply to: Phoenix
oh ya, all those danged "nasty women" marching in the streets... how rude of them..... how many died from those pussie hats again?? the mobilization that you are talking about as far as I know, involved writting letters, making phone calls, protesting (in a peaceful way), running for local offices, ect....

while daleiden and nugent is still being held up as a hero among yous, the crazy person holding the fake trump's head has gotten negative criticism from both the left and the right, to the point that her career is ruined. you resent any liberal using the word resistance, but how many are following alex jones?

We should never allow the actions of others define who we are.


People will cheer the attack, or marginalize it, or simply defend it.

That is their right.

They are free to do so.

But those of us shocked and sickened by the actions should not change our positions, our attitudes, our goals or redefine who we are because some may want to kill because of it.

a reply to: Phoenix

hmm... we were in tx during the reagan years... my husband was a machinist..
my husband went from earning $16 an hour to having to switch careers, pushing asphalt and roofing for $9, by the time we thru in the towel we had one friend, and another family, along with a child living with us because they they had going through the same thing. the family eventually ended up living out of a camper.

a reply to: dawnstar

Read the entire article and it validates what I've said about external reinforcement of insane acts.

The right did not shoot the congressman - it was leftist ideology in this incident - own it.

Same time far right needs tone down noise - they and far left can keep ideas just ditch violence and demonization.

originally posted by: Phoenix

originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: Phoenix

Your husband was probably not union laborer in Idaho when it went Reaganism and right to work. They cut his pay by $8/per hour, no benefits, instant poverty level. Not counting the tax deductions we use to have.

I was in the great socialist state of NY, a union bastion of depravity, nepotism and high taxes but had sense enough to escape to the free state of Texas on $600 and did very well there.

1 -2% on the dollar of credit card deduction offset by larger personal deductible is hardly an issue unless one is absolutely stupid enough to use IRS as a savings plan.

I scratch my noggin at all the fools overpaying all year and claiming windfall in April.

Still no excuse and sickening to attempt reason of justification for egging on a nutcase.

I hear you. I keep telling my brother if he's getting thousands back every April that means he needs to adjust his W-4. You're essentially giving the government an interest-free loan. If you're getting $1200 back, that means if you adjusted your taxes right, you could see an extra $100 per month in your paychecks. Who the # doesn't want that?

a reply to: Phoenix

no, the baby parts rhetoric kill and injured many more....

Killed in the attack were police officer Garrett Swasey, a father of two, Army veteran Ke'Arre Stewart, a father of two, and Jennifer Markovsky, a mother of two. None of the three worked for Planned Parenthood. Nine other people were injured in the attack, which came after months of publicity over what Planned Parenthood says were deceptively edited video recordings purporting to show clinic staff elsewhere offering to sell fetal tissue for research purposes.

yous didn't own that one, did yous???
or is it that it's a different story when it's a member of the gov't that is targeted??? oh yes, an attack on one of them is an attack on all of THEM!! got to tone it down now!!!

a reply to: dawnstar

Career demand changes, same time frame welders pipe fitters I knew were making a killing at $23 hour with much overtime to boot, me I did mechanical work on high rise construction and was paid good enough to purchase first home at age 19. Oilfield payed real good that time also.

Joke was employers took pulse and hired.

Why did husband not find job in that climate? Scratching head here on that one.

I remained well paid and gainfully employed through two recessions in that state, a state that there was no excuse not to have work unless one desired to be unemployed especially in those days.

Of course if you hung about Houston when the Saudis manipulated oil price that's no fault but your own as Dallas never stopped booming with diversified economy.

Still no reason for radicalism as its evolved today and no justification to shoot congressman.

a reply to: dawnstar

Can you point to some threads here where right-wing members tried to justify those actions like some left-wing members have been trying to justify the DC shooter's actions in this thread?

a reply to: Phoenix
he went into trucking, and we relocated...
what you are missing is that at the time, texas was heavily dependent on the oil industry while iran was sactioned and the middle east was in a little bit of chaos.. but once the hostages came home and things got more stabilized, the oil price fell to the point where it was cheaper just to cap the wells and buy from overseas... and those who were depending on that industry to provide work lost jobs. the problem was intensified when because unemployment offices around the country it seems didn't get the news that the boom busted and were sending their unemployed down because "there were jobs to be had"
after that, my husband jumped from machinist to trucking depending on what the economy was doing he never did get back up to the kind of money he was earning back them even though he climbed the ranks up to tool and die maker. and we weren't in the houston area... try longview.

a reply to: face23785
ya know, I've tried to keep up with this thread... really didn't see anyone trying to justify it... so first, you tell me, with the exact words that were used, what was said??
I was talking about the idea that the "left owns it" because of their "hatefilled rhetoric", ect.
something that was at least once, said directly to me!!
and no, no one "owned it" when it involved the planned parenthood shooting being connected to the bogus videos and the outrage that it caused, along with the constant talk.... one all news channels if I am remembering right... and many, many elected republicans...

a reply to: Phoenix


"Still no excuse and sickening to attempt reason of justification for egging on a nutcase. "

The justification came when the state decided that violent domestic offenders can buy weapons. I don't make laws and I don't lobby for the NRA. If I made law, he would not have been able to buy weapons with his history.

They just updated Steve Scalise's condition. He's still in critical condition, but he's stabilized, and the doctor said they're encouraged. He's sedated, but is conscious. The doctor won't speculate on how long Scalise will be in the hospital.

The hip shot went from one side to the other (not front-to-back, as I was imagining), which explains why the wound was so serious.

ETA: The police officer was shot in the ankle. She is in good condition.

a reply to: dawnstar

Hard to sympathize on that one, decisions decisions and sometimes they're wrong.

My entire time in Texas spanning two decades no one who was willing to work, learn and listen went without good paying employment.

We always had hard time finding good employees because bottom barrel was scraped due demand.

Regardless the economy as a whole.

The only ones I knew of liked unemployment pay as a vacation, had substance issues or were too ornery to work with others.

It's funny I lived there too! All I can say is giving employer my all paid off handsomely not only myself but plenty others.

But Mom's claim economic hardship is reason shooter went off is patently rediculous.

So is her gun comment. The gun didn't pull it's trigger by itself - bad logic there.

a reply to: Phoenix

whatever you say.....

a reply to: dawnstar

Yup, quoting my words,

Same time far right needs tone down noise - they and far left can keep ideas just ditch violence and demonization.

Both sides.

a reply to: dawnstar

I read the whole thread once already, I'm not gonna go back through 87 pages a 2nd time to find them. I don't have a photographic memory so I'm sure I'm not gonna have it word for word but one I remember off the top of my head was some asshole suggesting "well this is what you get when you are drafting a bill to murder 24 million people", referring incorrectly to the AHCA.

Edit: If you think I'm lying, read the whole thread. I haven't been here that long but anyone who has noticed my posting habits knows I don't lie.

Newest Update on Representative Scalise...

Scalise's condition was dire immediately after suffering the gunshot wound. "I would say that when he arrived, he was in critical condition with an imminent risk of death," he said.

Even though Congressman Scalise was shot in the hip, those of us who are familiar with the type of rifle used in the attack and the ballistics thereof (it sounded like a .223 to me), know just how devastating any shot to the torso would likely be.

The good news is...

[Director of Trauma MD]Sava said Scalise's doctors fully expect him to walk again but that he will remain in the hospital for a "considerable period of time," presumably weeks.

Bonus Factoid: Dr. Sava treated Seth Rich on the night of his fatal shooting...

originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: Phoenix


"Still no excuse and sickening to attempt reason of justification for egging on a nutcase. "

The justification came when the state decided that violent domestic offenders can buy weapons. I don't make laws and I don't lobby for the NRA. If I made law, he would not have been able to buy weapons with his history.

His local government never pursued a case against him and no one ever had him adjudicated mentally impaired. No matter how "universal" you make the background check system, it's useless if no info has been entered into the database to flag him. If he had been adjudicated mentally impaired or had been convicted of his violent offenses, he wouldn't have been able to pass a background check. The fact nobody reacted to his long history of violent behavior is neither the fault of the law nor the NRA. The NRA doesn't want wackos like him to have guns, regardless of the anti-gun lobby proclaiming otherwise.