8 more areas in Sweden added to list of so-called 'no-go zones’

originally posted by: dukeofjive696969

Lol so your using a liberal media to sell your right wing propaganda, just wow dude.

So much fake outrage david

While I agree, the concept of a 'no-go zone' is a tough pill to swallow, I assure you it's only because of the name.

You have been presented with some strong evidence that there are areas that you are not welcome in, unless you're muslim.
Do you at least admit that there are densely muslim populated areas in UK and Sweden that you would not feel comfortable walking around in? Especially, if you were doing something that is taboo in the muslim religion?

Or do you feel you would be welcomed with open arms if you were walking around listening to some music, eating a big ham leg?

I have to say, respectfully, of course, that you have lost all credibility with your arguments.
You have not done much but insult, claim mental superiority and bashed every source provided to you.
First, RT wasn't good enough, then other sources were not good enough because you claim they were conservative, now this isn't good enough either?
I can't even tell if you're serious or not, to be honest.

a reply to: crayzeed

Areas with higher crime or that are more difficult to police have always been with us but does not make them no go zones.

If you are claiming that no go zones exist give some examples.

The overwhelming response, from members across the political spectrum, was one of outright mockery of the very concept. Are you really claiming all those members were outright liars or have their heads in the sand?

originally posted by: TonyS
a reply to: BlueAjah

You dont see that it has already happened to the US? Every major US city has no-go zones, they just arent called that. It can only get worse. Yea, you might get a repreive with Trump, but after him? When a leftist is elected? Swedens today is US future.

The US has no-go zones?

Where?

Before you say Detroit, which zone? I'm pretty familiar with the area so specifics are alright.

a reply to: RomeByFire
I am not sure what folk are arguing about here.

Of course there are areas in America where anyone with an ounce of sense would not go into unless they had to.

I used to do healthcare in the field and there were areas were my patients would meet me outside their compounds or arranged for an escort for me to get to their homes. They made it very clear that I was never to enter the area on my own. I call them compounds because they were surrounded by fencing and some areas even had barbed wire at the top. They were containment fences, and in some areas the surrounding roads where restructured to control the traffic going into and out of the compound.

Even after months of going and coming into the areas, after the people in the community knew my name, and knew why I was there, I would face the animosity from a resident time and again.

The police are not afraid to go into these areas, they just know what to expect and they are well prepared before entering. The same with paramedics. They don't go into those areas without escorts.

We can sit around and play games with semantics, but at the end of the day, if anyone is being honest, they have to admit that there are areas all over that are "extremely vulnerable" and you stay the hell out, unless you are looking for trouble or have been invited in.

a reply to: odinsway

If your aunt and uncle came back from England and said there were "no go zones" how did that all work for them?

Was their car stopped in the street by young men and they were told to turn around?

Was there a blockade on the pavement attended by a bunch of thugs?

Were they shamefully attacked when trying to pass?

Or did they just feel a bit uneasy in a foreign country and exaggerated it to you, who then exaggerated it for us?

Or is someone talking a load of rubbish?

Seriously, people should be ashamed of spreading BS.

Whenever someone in the UK reads this type of crap, they know the poster is either highly misinformed and horribly ignorant or just making stuff up for some messed up reason.

Here's my take on it, and yes I'm a born and raised Swede. The refugee problem is, of course, a fact. Sweden has way more seeking shelter than our government can afford in the long run. Crime has escalated that is true but Sweden has, as far as I know, had low crime rate per inhabitant for a very long time. Compared to other countries I'd say we still rate low on the crime chart and what the media is portraying is relevant to how it used to be. I'd much rather take a stroll down a Swedish "no go zone" than say, Compton.

originally posted by: DerBeobachter
"In 2015, the Swedish police released a report describing 53 districts throughout the country as “vulnerable," and 15 listed as “especially vulnerable." Vulnerable areas are described as having high rates of crime and poverty where police face unique challenges and have to adapt their approach. These neighborhoods MAY ALSO host violent religious extremism, and locals don’t report crime to police for fear of retribution."
RT, the threads source

Don´t we have that everywhere on the world? But maybe people don´t call the police not because of fear of retribution from somebody out of their hood, but because of fear of restribution from the police? Or just because it makes no sense, nowadays, if something gets stolen, some weeks later you get a letter that says: Proceedings terminated(at least in Germany). And nobody believes that they ever tried to look for your stuff, if they even come to you after a burglary, or whatever.

And since when is vulnerable the same like no go zones?
Aaaaah:

"These areas, which often host a large immigrant or foreign-born population, have been described as “no-go zones” BY MEDIA."

That reminds me to a thread some days or weeks ago, about no go zones in the UK, and every citizen of the UK stated that there are NO no go zones. Just parts where you wouldn´t walk alone maybe at night and alone, but again, doesn´t every city worldwide have such quarters?

Could it be that RT follows an agenda, maaaaaaaaybeeeee???
Oh, and i am not a russia hater and i read articles sometimes on RT, too.
But everybody tries to reach his goals, by whatever measures, and RT is a tool of TPTB in Russia.

Destablizations of certain parts of the world works for both sides, not only for "the good ones"!

I could recall a whole number of areas that would be considered no-go areas by my parents. In Aberdeen, Correction Wynd and St. Nicholas Lane were no-go areas as far as they were concerned. Mainly due to the number of assaults involving drunks and other members of the public in the evenings and early morning. Rock concerts, football matches and any other streets with large numbers of public bars would come under the same category (Lothian Road in Edinburgh).

For the emergency services, council estates inhabited by single parent families are no-go areas (or at least police escort zones) because of the yoofs that throw stones at firefighters and ambulances.

originally posted by: dukeofjive696969

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: dukeofjive696969

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: dukeofjive696969

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: dukeofjive696969

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: dukeofjive696969

originally posted by: Vroomfondel
In September of 2015 I started a thread called "Germany in a State of Siege". In it I said, among other things:

The alleged refugees are not what they appear to be. Many are economic opportunists who are seeking the good life at Germany's expense. And its not just a chance at a better life they bring. They are bringing their violence and disrespect for the west along with them, all hidden behind false documents and refugee status.

It is happening right now, on our watch. And there is no one else to blame. They do NOT assimilate. They enter and force change in the local social system to accommodate their culture, not the other way around.

Liberals here jumped on that and the attacks were relentless. They used every excuse they could think of. They called me names and accused me of all kinds of things. They tried every typical liberal method they could think of including making the bad guys look like the victims and making the victims into the bad guys.

And today it looks like what I said was spot-on.

Score one for conservative truth.

So sweden is burning am i right, nope, yea for more fake conservative outrage.

Twist and shout all you want...

The truth is that conservatives saw this for what it was two years ago and even now, with two years of evidence supporting it, liberals still don't get it.

Argue hard enough for your limitations and you get to keep them.

You claim that sweden is done, do you have an eta, because id love to know when the so call conservatives will save the world from those evil liberals.

First, I didn't say Sweden is 'done'. Second, why are you waiting for conservatives to save the day? It sounds like you are admitting liberals cant get the job done. :-)

And, to be honest, I think the liberals have screwed things up soooo badly that no one can fix it now. The paints have been mixed, so to speak, and we are looking at a new and unpleasant color. Separating them now is nearly impossible. I think the best we can hope for is reducing the negative impacts to a minimum and hoping that these wonderful European countries can salvage at least a little of their former luster.

Its like the old joke, "How many psychiatrists does it take to change a light bulb? Only one, but the light bulb has to want to change..."

You claim the conservative know whats happening, so thats on you, oh and i like liberals and conservatives about the same, not so much.

So we can go in circles all night long, your still wrong and i cant help you with that.

That was a really weak response. Yeah, we saw what was happening, but liberals were in charge at the time, so no, it is not on us. This belongs entirely to liberals. We shouted our warnings and were shouted down in return. You own this. There is no circle. That is just you getting caught in your own spin of the facts... Weeeeeeeeeeeee!!! And around we go....

The only thing thats weak is your arguments, lol we shouted warnings, thats funny.

Your claiming that only bad things happen under liberal governments, ahahahah, wow thats awesome.

And it gets weaker and weaker. I never claimed that only bad things happen under liberal governments. Straw man argument. Just stop. Its getting sad now, really...

Got nothing as usual, you got debunked in 2015 you even said it, why do you think its going to work this time.

I was never debunked and history has proven I was right. I never said I got debunked. Wow. Reality check here. I got ad-hom and straw man attacks from people that history has proven wrong, again. If you are trying to salvage some semblance of self respect, forget it. That ship has sailed.

I said Germany was in a state of siege. It has been invaded, as has most of Europe now. This is nothing new to the people doing the invading. It has been there mode and method for centuries. Only this time instead of having to fight their way across the border, they were extended a hand in friendship. A hand that tried to feed them. A hand they promptly bit. Like the women who got raped by the immigrants they invited to their welcoming party, too many people have learned the hard way - or worse yet failed to learn, these people do not assimilate.

a reply to: ScepticScot
Stop twisting my words.
I specifically said truthfully everyone could say there is NO NO GO ZONES officially. As what's been adequately put by other Brits every city (oh to use your words) has areas of groups of people, yes committing more crime than usual, that police WILL NOT venture into without a lot of back up.
Apart from official designation, yes I would class them as no go zones. ie. a place you don't go because the risk of something nasty happening to you is very high and in some areas inevitable.

originally posted by: crayzeed
a reply to: ScepticScot
Stop twisting my words.
I specifically said truthfully everyone could say there is NO NO GO ZONES officially. As what's been adequately put by other Brits every city (oh to use your words) has areas of groups of people, yes committing more crime than usual, that police WILL NOT venture into without a lot of back up.
Apart from official designation, yes I would class them as no go zones. ie. a place you don't go because the risk of something nasty happening to you is very high and in some areas inevitable.

So there is only no go zones if you redefine what a no go zone is.

Where are these areas where the police won't go without lots of backup or something nasty will inevitably happen?

a reply to: Vroomfondel

Germany has been invaded? Really? I think someone ought to tell the Germans as they seem to be carrying on quite fine.

a reply to: crayzeed

Just cos the police take a van instead of a car it's not much of a big deal though is it. These are places where the police often enjoy a less than stellar rep and little cooperation.

They are just rough estates.

But most peeps walk through such places without incident. The streets are not controlled by others, just the police go in insured against resistance from those that they deal with.

I've known many notorious parts of Manchester, Wolvo and Brum very well indeed (plus more besides) and non meet the criteria of NGZs that the internet looses its crap over.

a reply to: dukeofjive696969

What rock do you live under?

Liberals plugging their ears and denying the existence of no-go zones isn't debunking them.

Unfortunately for you, governments and law enforcement agencies across Europe have pointed to dozens upon dozens upon dozens of Muslim no-go zones, never mind the countless vids of people going into them and getting harassed and/or attacked.

originally posted by: MysticPearl
a reply to: dukeofjive696969

What rock do you live under?

Liberals plugging their ears and denying the existence of no-go zones isn't debunking them.

Unfortunately for you, governments and law enforcement agencies across Europe have pointed to dozens upon dozens upon dozens of Muslim no-go zones, never mind the countless vids of people going into them and getting harassed and/or attacked.

Really have they? Where have they done this?

a reply to: Vroomfondel Germans can not criticize their government. One "refugee" from Germany has no job, 3 wives, 23 children and receives $ 400k/yr welfare payments. How long can a nation survive such insanity? ( said hes not home much he likes to travel)

a reply to: dukeofjive696969

The trouble for you is that Aftonbladet is the most pro immigration and soft on crime newspaper in Sweden and as left as it is possible with Metro.

Sweden went full retard while both Finland, Norway and Denmark minimized the problem. The plan was that Sweden was supposed to relocate the refugees to eastern Europe so that the extreme number of immigration was lessened. That did not happen and Sweden closed their borders since we where overwhelmed.

Later in my life I will probably move to Denmark that have been more reasonable in their integration. The prices on apartments and housing is being inflated in Sweden by extreme influx on refugees/demand and oligarchies controlling the build markets so they do not build what is needed to keep the prices up. Bankers dream to screw the middle class over by both taxes (to pay for Immigration spending) and increased lack of housing.

originally posted by: PsychicCroMag
a reply to: Vroomfondel Germans can not criticize their government. One "refugee" from Germany has no job, 3 wives, 23 children and receives $ 400k/yr welfare payments. How long can a nation survive such insanity? ( said hes not home much he likes to travel)

WTF? Source? That cant be right?!
Good golly, I thought our system here was screwed up.

originally posted by: coop039

originally posted by: PsychicCroMag
a reply to: Vroomfondel Germans can not criticize their government. One "refugee" from Germany has no job, 3 wives, 23 children and receives $ 400k/yr welfare payments. How long can a nation survive such insanity? ( said hes not home much he likes to travel)

WTF? Source? That cant be right?!
Good golly, I thought our system here was screwed up.

Its not right, it's more lies and fearmongering.

These people on these boards crying that refugees are taking over the world have missed their meds and or really dumb.