Why we should all vote for Jeremy Corybn

originally posted by: DaveEngland
a reply to: Soloprotocol
This is Tory Britain for you. How anyone can vote for those scummy bastards i'll never know.

strong stable leadership lol, hard dealing with eu for brexit, kick them out after we've got that deal but i dont trust jezza to be strong in striking the best deal.

But you trust May? She can barely get through a BBC interview without breaking down.

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: SudoNim

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: SudoNim

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: SudoNim
a reply to: crazyewok

Nice of you to judge the reasons why someone would feel the need to use a foodbank.

She must be # at something or addicted to something... it must be lovely to judge people from up high.

If you cant live witnin your means on £21k there is something wrong with the person.

I 100% think nurses should be paid more, but they are not on poverty wages.

There is zero evidence of any Nurses or Police officers using foodbanks.

Except the evidence posted previously.

Prove it.

Are you wanting proof of nurses using foodbanks? Or evidence of it? Or proof of evidence?

I think you are confusing yourself.

I dont need to pove anything. As i said The Trussel Trust have already debunked it. In order to use a foodbank you need to be referred by either the DWP, Citizens advice or social services. Anyone working using a foodbank has lied to whoever they got the referral from and are nothing more than thieves.

Prove that one nurse or police officer has ever used a foodbank. It's a myth, And i find it abhorant that anyone would say they used a foodbank just to try and get themselves a wage rise.

A local foodbank up here had a referral for a woman who had zero income because of a benefits sanction. The foodbank was closed over the bank holiday from Thursday to Tuesday, The woman in question chose to feed her kids instead of herself and had not eaten a thing since the Thursday. She was stood eating beans from a can with her bare hands in the bloody foodbank she was so hungry. The staff were in tears.

This is Tory Britain for you. How anyone can vote for those scummy bastards i'll never know.

Wow, you didn't answer the question at all.... just deflect deflect deflect.

First you said there was no evidence, then you said there's no proof. Which one is it? No evidence or no proof.

Stick to a story. Or google the definitions of "evidence" and "proof" and come back once you've learnt the difference .

a reply to: SudoNim

don't really trust any of them, just think jezza would be weaker
and sturgeon would own him in a hung parliament scary though to me

originally posted by: DaveEngland
a reply to: SudoNim

don't really trust any of them, just think jezza would be weaker
and sturgeon would own him in a hung parliament scary though to me

Scared of a wee Socialist woman from Scotland?.
The SNP are what Labour used to be. That's why they are so successful up here. I'm pretty sure if they ran for seats over the border in England and Wales they would do very well indead. Labour and the Tories can on dream of having politicians of the same calibre as the SNP. Bairns before Bombs.

originally posted by: SudoNim

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: SudoNim

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: SudoNim

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: SudoNim
a reply to: crazyewok

Nice of you to judge the reasons why someone would feel the need to use a foodbank.

She must be # at something or addicted to something... it must be lovely to judge people from up high.

If you cant live witnin your means on £21k there is something wrong with the person.

I 100% think nurses should be paid more, but they are not on poverty wages.

There is zero evidence of any Nurses or Police officers using foodbanks.

Except the evidence posted previously.

Prove it.

Are you wanting proof of nurses using foodbanks? Or evidence of it? Or proof of evidence?

I think you are confusing yourself.

I dont need to pove anything. As i said The Trussel Trust have already debunked it. In order to use a foodbank you need to be referred by either the DWP, Citizens advice or social services. Anyone working using a foodbank has lied to whoever they got the referral from and are nothing more than thieves.

Prove that one nurse or police officer has ever used a foodbank. It's a myth, And i find it abhorant that anyone would say they used a foodbank just to try and get themselves a wage rise.

A local foodbank up here had a referral for a woman who had zero income because of a benefits sanction. The foodbank was closed over the bank holiday from Thursday to Tuesday, The woman in question chose to feed her kids instead of herself and had not eaten a thing since the Thursday. She was stood eating beans from a can with her bare hands in the bloody foodbank she was so hungry. The staff were in tears.

This is Tory Britain for you. How anyone can vote for those scummy bastards i'll never know.

Wow, you didn't answer the question at all.... just deflect deflect deflect.

First you said there was no evidence, then you said there's no proof. Which one is it? No evidence or no proof.

Stick to a story. Or google the definitions of "evidence" and "proof" and come back once you've learnt the difference

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Great, Another pound shop Paxman...Be gone Demon.

a reply to: Soloprotocol

She would own jezza defo!
i do agree with lots of snp stuff, just not about the eu.

originally posted by: Soloprotocol
I'm pretty sure if they ran for seats over the border in England and Wales they would do very well indead.

Haha that's what I said to the misses this morning Give anybody a chance over what's on offer they are all a bunch of liars and don't care for the man in the street really just their own click. I'd vote SNP like a shot

a reply to: Soloprotocol

Solo, the SNP do have some decent policies...they just lack the wherewithal to implement them.

They haven't exactly got a good record of introducing legislation through Holyrood....at one point they'd actually failed to pass any legislation at all for over a full year.
What were they doing for that year?
Bleating on about how they need independence to govern themselves whilst they abjectly fail to use the quite significant powers they already have?

Sturgeon and Salmond are both opportunist politicians who hijack every single event to preach about Scottish independence regardless of the relevance to the subject at hand.
To outsiders looking in it makes them look ignorant and arrogant to the extreme.

The SNP would be far better served leading by example and becoming an actual progressive force for change.

a reply to: Freeborn

I dont know why anyone would vote SNP in a UK election, I vote SNP in Scottish elections but I think when it comes to UK elections its a bit of a waist, they are never going to gain UK power. I think a vote for labour makes more sense for a SNP supporter.

For a start if Labour enter into coalition with the SNP then that means SNP can negotiate for indyref 2

However if the torries win we wont get that chance

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: Soloprotocol

Solo, the SNP do have some decent policies...they just lack the wherewithal to implement them.

They haven't exactly got a good record of introducing legislation through Holyrood....at one point they'd actually failed to pass any legislation at all for over a full year.
What were they doing for that year?
Bleating on about how they need independence to govern themselves whilst they abjectly fail to use the quite significant powers they already have?

Sturgeon and Salmond are both opportunist politicians who hijack every single event to preach about Scottish independence regardless of the relevance to the subject at hand.
To outsiders looking in it makes them look ignorant and arrogant to the extreme.

The SNP would be far better served leading by example and becoming an actual progressive force for change.

I have heard more bleating about independence coming from the likes or Davidson and Dugdale than i have the SNP. What legislations did they fail to pass..?

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

I take your point - but I don't see it as a waste of vote.
Surely if you want another referendum you want as many SNP representatives in Westminster regardless of which party is in overall power?

If the SNP were to put candidates up for election in England and Wales it could be a great exercise in a show of disgust aimed at the main parties but other than that it would be a completely pointless exercise.

As for another referendum; the SNP would be far better off using what significant powers they have now to drive through change in Scotland and thus show their competency and ability to govern.
I'm sure that would convince more people to want independence than their current underwhelming record in Holyrood and the constant moaning and whinging.

Yes, the SNP do have great policies - as some have stated previously, more in line with traditional Labour policies than the current Labour party - its time to start showing people how good they are by actually trying to implement them!

a reply to: Soloprotocol

The SNP went over a year without passing any legislation at all....I'm sure there must have been quite a lot of things they could have done in that year....or maybe they've implemented everything they said they were going to and Scotland is now Eutopia?

As much as I enjoyed myself it didn't seem that way when I was up there a couple of weeks ago.

a reply to: Freeborn

I am honestly a floating voter.

I vote SNP usually in Scottish elections because they honestly do good stuff for the country but voted against Independence.

In the last election I voted green.

This time I am voting labour, I really want to see Corybn take the lead and the idea of another term of the tories makes me feel sick. Before the SNP really came into their own most seas in Scotland went to Labour, I just think that if those SNP supporters went for Labour it would give Labour the election.

I guess its also a bit of a tactical vote.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: Soloprotocol

Solo, the SNP do have some decent policies...they just lack the wherewithal to implement them.

They haven't exactly got a good record of introducing legislation through Holyrood....at one point they'd actually failed to pass any legislation at all for over a full year.
What were they doing for that year?
Bleating on about how they need independence to govern themselves whilst they abjectly fail to use the quite significant powers they already have?

Sturgeon and Salmond are both opportunist politicians who hijack every single event to preach about Scottish independence regardless of the relevance to the subject at hand.
To outsiders looking in it makes them look ignorant and arrogant to the extreme.

The SNP would be far better served leading by example and becoming an actual progressive force for change.

A rightwing gutter press interpretation of how the Scottish parliament works I'm afraid.

There were number of bills going through the legislative process but as they were at committee stage so not through parliament.

This was also I believe includes the period after the SNP lost their majority and the time parliament was in recess.

Both the Tory party and Scottish labour mention independence far more often than the SNP do in day to day businesses. It's a bit like the pro Indy Scots are obsessed with braveheart meme, despite it only ever been mentioned by supporters of the union (generally those from outside Scotland).

You are correct that they could do a lot more, however they are by some distance more progressive than any other major party in Scotland.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

If Scotland abandoned SNP and voted Labour then this election would be a very close thing.

The problem as I see it, and many who I talk to, is we want to see The Tories out and a return of a traditional stlye Labour government.....but without the likes of Corbyn and the champagne socialist set that dominates Labour now.

I voted for the local Labour candidate; she knows this town and its people, has fought hard to represent its interests and has never voted for Corbyn as party leader.
I don't want Corbyn as Prime Minister - I have zero tolerance for his views on terrorism etc and feel he would be a liability on the international stage, something we can't afford at present.

I understand Scottish rejection of both Labour and Conservative parties, but they are just helping consign us to another four years of Tory government.

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: Freeborn

I am honestly a floating voter.

I vote SNP usually in Scottish elections because they honestly do good stuff for the country but voted against Independence.

In the last election I voted green.

This time I am voting labour, I really want to see Corybn take the lead and the idea of another term of the tories makes me feel sick. Before the SNP really came into their own most seas in Scotland went to Labour, I just think that if those SNP supporters went for Labour it would give Labour the election.

I guess its also a bit of a tactical vote.

And if we had PR for Westminster elections your tactics might make sense.

However for the majority of Scotland a vote for Labour is at best wasted and could even increase the Tory majority by spliting the left wing vote in marginal constituencies.

a reply to: Freeborn

Sorry its the other way round up here.

Votes for Labour increase the chance of a Tory majority as they split the left wing vote in marginal constituencies.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: Freeborn

I am honestly a floating voter.

I vote SNP usually in Scottish elections because they honestly do good stuff for the country but voted against Independence.

In the last election I voted green.

This time I am voting labour, I really want to see Corybn take the lead and the idea of another term of the tories makes me feel sick. Before the SNP really came into their own most seas in Scotland went to Labour, I just think that if those SNP supporters went for Labour it would give Labour the election.

I guess its also a bit of a tactical vote.

And if we had PR for Westminster elections your tactics might make sense.

However for the majority of Scotland a vote for Labour is at best wasted and could even increase the Tory majority by spliting the left wing vote in marginal constituencies.

Not really if the Scotland voted the way we did even back in 2005 then it would be a close run thing.

a reply to: ScepticScot

The annoying thing is we agree that we need to get The Tories out of power - that should be our primary goal.
But how do we achieve that?

Bearing in mind that people tend to have such strong views about both Corbyn and Sturgeon - people seem to either really like them or absolutely detest them.

That said, irrelevant of who votes what today, the one certainty is that the current party political system that has failed us and only serves to further the agenda and interests of the select few will remain in place and in tact ensuring that the vast majority of us will continue to get shafted up the proverbial.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: Soloprotocol

The SNP went over a year without passing any legislation at all....I'm sure there must have been quite a lot of things they could have done in that year....or maybe they've implemented everything they said they were going to and Scotland is now Eutopia?

As much as I enjoyed myself it didn't seem that way when I was up there a couple of weeks ago.

If we had more control over our own affairs instead of just 30% i'm pretty sure th SNP would have passed plenty more legislations though i'm still waiting on what specific legislations you are talking about. You dont just pass legislations because you have nothing to do that day.