Why we should all vote for Jeremy Corybn

a reply to: solargeddon

As a direct result of The Manchester attack Corbyn publicly announces its time to change the UK's foreign policy , and start talking with the Terrorists .
Remember some years ago , Spain pulled out of the Coalition with the West's involvement in the Middle East conflict after its trains got bombed killing 201 people,
Spain's Retreat after Madrid Bombings,Rewards Terrorism

So on Hearing how Corbyn is now prepared to change the UK's foreign policy because of the Manchester attack, and the fact that the Media now gives Corbyn a good chance of becoming Prime Minister , did that wobbly mindset of Corbyn inspire and give impetus to the latest attack in London, being only a few days away from the election, so as to cement this change of foreign policy in the mind of Corbyn if he became the leader of the UK's government.

Was the Spain affect in the minds of the terrorists, and did Corbyns wobble light the touch fuse of those three terrorists ?

Its not our way of life they are trying to destroy , but our foreign policy, as they know its hitting them hard in their homeland.

a reply to: paraphi
I noticed!

a reply to: 2hooitconcerns

it all seems like madness on one hand we have our own government signing arms deals with known terrorist funding nations
and then we have our liberal politicians saying we need to change our foreign policy

both sides of our political spectrum are ultimately playing us , so instead of general election
we should have political reform and do some much need weeding

so we should hold referendum on a new system of government we should demand the changes of the whole system not just the current party in power

Sorry to say it, but they are unelectable.
I am still voting Tory for the first time.

congratulations you are now officially a four letter word that starts with a C and ends with a T

hahah I hope you regret it

anyone who votes for the tories are deluded
you are #ing crazy man , id never vote for them , they dont represent anyone in society , and they only care for themselves and their mega corp buddies, you are mad if you think voting for them will benefit you in any way shape or form.

You are probably a very nice person and intelligent and reasonable but I still think you are a # for voting tories
dont worry Id tell my best friend he/she was a # for voting tory and anyone for that matter

originally posted by: sapien82
so we should hold referendum on a new system of government we should demand the changes of the whole system not just the current party in power

Well good luck with that. Only UKIP want to hold referendums for important topics such as proportional representation and changing the HoL into an elected chamber.

originally posted by: sapien82
anyone who votes for the tories are deluded, you are #ing crazy man , id never vote for them , they dont represent anyone in society , and they only care for themselves and their mega corp buddies, you are mad if you think voting for them will benefit you in any way shape or form

They certainly won't be voting or listening to you if that's how you debate. And how do you know that the Tories won't benefit anyone here? There may be some rich folk about here

originally posted by: sapien82

Sorry to say it, but they are unelectable.
I am still voting Tory for the first time.

congratulations you are now officially a four letter word that starts with a C and ends with a T

hahah I hope you regret it

anyone who votes for the tories are deluded
you are #ing crazy man , id never vote for them , they dont represent anyone in society , and they only care for themselves and their mega corp buddies, you are mad if you think voting for them will benefit you in any way shape or form.

You are probably a very nice person and intelligent and reasonable but I still think you are a # for voting tories
dont worry Id tell my best friend he/she was a # for voting tory and anyone for that matter

you got some neck, thinking you got the right to call anyone a c..t who doesn't vote the way you want to.

Go away and grow up some before you try doing politics.

originally posted by: paraphi
a reply to: and14263

Yes, I agree. UKIP get a hard time in the press and from others, but they are not a racist party. Their anti-immigration message is also not racist. Ignorance is bliss for some people.

Agreed for a large Part, they're nowhere near as bad as nf, 18, bnp and the likes were - they're arguably less racist than Tories seeing how Boris used and official foregin secretary visit to the Congo to call the locals pikininis with melon smiles.

Plus it's not too long ago the official Tory election poster for 1964 GE was 'If you want a 'n-word' for a neighbour vote Liberal or Labour' and 'A vote for Labour or Liberal is a vote for black people'. Thankfully PC came along and helped put a stop to them airing their inherently racist views so openly.

originally posted by: bastion
Agreed for a large Part, they're nowhere near as bad as nf, 18, bnp and the likes were - they're arguably less racist than Tories seeing how Boris used and official foregin secretary visit to the Congo to call the locals pikininis with melon smiles.

It's nice to hear that you're being slightly more mature and sane with your posts, however, I would like to point out that UKIP's immigration policy is the LEAST racist out of ALL the political parties (or at least pre-Brexit)! That's a FACT and here's why...

All the other parties supported being in the single market which includes free movement of peoples, which in turn discriminates against everyone in the world unless you're in the EU. UKIP has always wanted to stop this nonsense and adopt a fair and sensible points based system across the whole globe, which doesn't discriminate against where you're from.

Does anyone else actually understand or dare agree with that logic?

Anyway, it's a world gone crazy when the main critic of the Government's policy regarding terrorism following recent outrages (Manchester and London), is a man (Corbyn) who has a record in fraternising and supporting terrorists!

Hands up anyone here who doesn't believe Jeremy Corbyn is a pacifist?

No well then why would a pacifist have anything to do with terrorism?

You lot are deluded by Tory media, its sad.

Anyway don't despair people with conscience, one of the brightest people on the planet doesn't read the daily mail and is backing Corbyn Stephen Hawking

Well, I started this election campaign as an undecided and that's where I still am. For all I find Corbyn amenable and someone I'd enjoy talking to, you just have to be honest and say he'd be leading a government of absolute nobodies. Aside from a couple of famous names, I'm hard pressed to name anyone in the Shadow Cabinet. Of those people, most have been absolutely dire when exposed to tv interviews. Even famous names such as D. Abbott have had absolutely terrible campaigns ... surely she's unfit to hold a major public office ?

Which leaves this left leaner with the choice of either not voting, or voting for the SNP with a heavy heart. Because I don't think Sturgeon has had a great campaign either.

The only thing stopping me from not voting is obviously the thought that many laid down their lives to give us the freedoms we enjoy, that plus the terrorists (I assume) want to disrupt the election ... decisions, decisions.

It's the first time I've been unsure at a general election and I've voted in every one since 1987. There's just something not right about this election and the circumstances surrounding it. It just doesn't feel right. Vague gut feeling, I know. Maybe it's because most of the players are now younger than me and I look at them and think ... clueless the lot of them.

I'm getting old.

Hell will freeze over before I vote for that communist, terrorist-fellating, sploogemop Corbyn.

I will vote Tory because, no matter how bad they get, nobody can reach the scummy, cretinous depths of the Labour party.

May Tony B-liar burn in the toasty depths of Hell.

originally posted by: TheShippingForecast
The only thing stopping me from not voting is obviously the thought that many laid down their lives to give us the freedoms we enjoy, that plus the terrorists (I assume) want to disrupt the election ... decisions, decisions.

Whatever your politics, you have to vote for at least the "best fit". You are right that the freedom to vote has been hard won. The road to the ballot box is lined with graves of the people who laid the road.

There's a good cartoon in Private Eye this month.

1905 - picture of a woman handcuffed to railings with a placard "Votes for Women".
2017 - two women chatting. One says "I'm not going to bother to vote, nothing we ever do makes a difference", the other says "I know, babe".

a reply to: paraphi
That's kind of how I feel now. Massive democratic deficit:

A democratic deficit (or democracy deficit) occurs when ostensibly democratic organizations or institutions (particularly governments) fall short of fulfilling the principles of democracy in their practices or operation where representative and linked parliamentary integrity becomes widely discussed.

I'm also troubled by the fact I'm voting for 'the least poor' candidate.

Maybe it's time for me to reclude.

originally posted by: micpsi
We are not allowed to vote for Corbyn. Our voting system requires us to vote for a member of Parliament.
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If you are lucky enough to live in a "swing" constituency that can vote either way, you can influence who becomes Prime Minister.
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Welcome to the United Kingdom, the home of democracy.

That's always how the system was supposed to work. You were supposed to vote for the person that you felt was best able to represent your local interests at the national level. Alignment with a political party has, in concept at least, nothing to do with it.

The Prime Minister is actually appointed by the Queen and asked to form a government. The fact that she asks the leader of the majority party is a simple matter of convention and practicality. She could actually invite any member of Parliament to do so, if she felt they could command the confidence of the House. In the past, many Prime Ministers were actually sitting in the House of Lords, not the House of Commons.

a reply to: Dr X


Is JC a pacifist? No, I do not believe so.


He did not support a ceasefire solution to the Troubles. He, along with Abbott and McMao actually espoused the belief that the only satisfactory result (for a free socialist Ireland, apparently) would have been outright victory for the IRA over the British Army.

Some pacifist, eh?

originally posted by: Dr X
Hands up anyone here who doesn't believe Jeremy Corbyn is a pacifist?

No well then why would a pacifist have anything to do with terrorism?

You lot are deluded by Tory media, its sad.

I don't believe he is a pacifist. I believe he is a professional oppositionist who will support any organisation that is at odds with the establishment, regardless of their methods. He just wants to be seen as the guy who is sticking it to the man.

He will happily give public support to organisations who perpetuate violent opposition against his own country, while simultaneously trying to suppress his countries ability to counter this, such as his refusal to support any piece of counter terrorist legislation for the last 3 decades.

a reply to: PaddyInf


This is why he is unfit to lead his party or his country.

He has spent his entire political life rebelling against his own party/the Govt/the Establishment, etc. and has no clue at all as to how to actually govern.

And he gives people with beards a bad name.

Yep, I absolutely will be voting Corbyn. After years of feeling poorly represented, finally somebody comes along who speaks for me and my values. I want to see an end austerity, to tackle inequality, to preserve our NHS, proper funding of our schools, police and other public services, strong rights for workers, the willingness to stand up to those funding and pushing extremists groups for their own political gain, an end to the supply of arms to other countries for unethical use, an end to imperialist wars (and supporting others in theirs) and the list goes on.

I am confident he can deliver that, and do you know what, even if he only delivers on a fraction of his manifesto it is miles better that what we have now and what we are being offered more of. You just have to look at who funds each party to see who they work for, follow the money as they say.

Corbyn has rebelled many times against his party yes, but if you look at those times he rebelled, such as on the Iraq war, you will see he has always made the right call. He's not a career politician, dropped in to fulfil the wishes of the powers that be. He's a politician with conviction and cause, which is how every politician should be of course.