Why we should all vote for Jeremy Corybn

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: crazyewok

Ditch the Barnett formula, that would raise loads for us in England.

Yup.

Ditch the barnett formula.

Cut the foriegn aid budget.

Close tax loopholes.

Loads of things the goverment can cut or use to raise money before cutting disability.

a reply to: crazyewok

Cue the whinging Scots in 3...2...1...

I don't understand why you guys don't just vote UKIP

After reading many of your posts it seems you want a lot of things that only UKIP are offering (yeah I know they won't get in and be lucky to get a seat), but the other parties will not talk about these policies but actually criticize you for saying such things!

I remember in one of the debates Paul Nuttall said we should scrap the barnett formula and Angus (the SNP guy) said UKIP will never get votes in Scotland. However, UKIP had that exact policy in the 2015 election, and they did in fact get votes in Scotland.

Just a suggestion: You might want to consider spelling his name correctly in your thread title.

originally posted by: 83Liberty
I don't understand why you guys don't just vote UKIP

Lol, I voted UKIP last time to get the referendum, we got it, now I'm voting for the Lib-Dem candidate, fantastic person previously represented my area and the only one who has a chance to beat the prick Tory candidate.
I'm voting for the person, someone I've had personal and professional dealings with.

We are not allowed to vote for Corbyn. Our voting system requires us to vote for a member of Parliament. In a "safe" Tory constituency, a vote for the Labour candidate will be a wasted vote that will not make Corbyn Prime Minister. Our system of voting forces us to waste out vote if we are unfortunate to live in a constituency where there is a natural majority in support of the party that opposes the one we support. This unfair state of affairs permits a government to be elected (as had happened so many times) that is supported by a minority of people (sometimes as low as one-third). It's called democracy but really it isn't because the government rarely reflects the will of the majority. If one wants to attach labels, it is closer to to a form of dictatorship - not by a single unelected individual but by someone whom most of the voting public never voted for. If you are lucky enough to live in a "swing" constituency that can vote either way, you can influence who becomes Prime Minister. If you are not, then you may as well have no vote at all, as it changes nothing.

Welcome to the United Kingdom, the home of democracy.

a reply to: micpsi

I think it's fair. If most people in an area vote a particular way, then that's democratic.

originally posted by: paraphi
a reply to: micpsi

I think it's fair. If most people in an area vote a particular way, then that's democratic.

I agree.
I vote for the candidate to represent me in my constituency.
I vote for the person I think will best defend my community.
For me next week it is a Lib-Dem candidate, fantastic constituency MP with a good voting record in Parliament, and although I disagree with the Lib-Dems regarding Europe, I'm happy to have a few of them nipping at the heels of a Tory government.

a reply to: grainofsand

By far the best candidate in my constituency is the Labour one.
She knows this town, its people, has a good record in Parliament and was quite unequivocal in her non-support for Corbyn in the Labour leadership election.

I'll be voting for her I think.

And I think its vitally important that we have a strong Opposition in Parliament at all times.

The only thing worse than Corbyn becoming Prime Minister would be an absolute massive overall majority for The Tories - that would enable The Tories and their cronies to continue screwing this country over and running it like a private corporation there only for their own exploitation.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: grainofsand

The only thing worse than Corbyn becoming Prime Minister would be an absolute massive overall majority for The Tories - that would enable The Tories and their cronies to continue screwing this country over and running it like a private corporation there only for their own exploitation.

Agreed
Labour is as much of a wasted vote as the Greens in my constituency, and the Lib-Dem candidate is the only one with a chance to beat the Tory prick.
Fantastic candidate as a person, had dealings personally and professionally, more than happy to have a Lib-Dem representing me and nipping away at the heels of the Tory government we are gonna get.
Balance is the key.

originally posted by: 83Liberty
I don't understand why you guys don't just vote UKIP

Because I have an IQ in double figures

originally posted by: paraphi
a reply to: bastion

Politicians get emails like that everyday. Did you really think anyone would respond to such a diatribe of opinion.

originally posted by: bastion
Why vote for the Tories when it's a fact their two main donors own over 64% of the UK Media?

Er, nope. The Conservative top donors are not from media organisations. The 64% sounds good. Was it plucked from the air?

Electoral Commission
Guardian 2015 list
Yet another source

Yes. I have two ring binders full of responses from various politicians on official HOC/HoL headed paper - Even ones from Parliamentary Select Comittee members thanking me for my concerns on weapons exports to Bahrain which they part used to enforce a ban on arms sales there. The only non-receipt I've had in several years of writing are from Cameron and IDS.

Keep an eye out for Richard Norton-Taylor of the Grauniad writing an article on Ben Wallace covering up a child porn ring at BAe Salmesbury in oming weeks if you are sceptical (as yu have every right to be)

Your sources are from 2015 and 2011 and aren't a list of top donors, propreitorships, shareholdings or any of the evidence required to refute my claim. In 2017 the figure is 64.3% between the tewo main donors after Tory donors were repsonsible for 91% of media buyouts since May called for the election. I'm an ex journalist, in the interests of balance I didn't even include the £11bn portfolio and media ownership of others who paid £250,000 each to co-author Tory policy as part of Cameron's Leader's Group.



My source is this years print of 'The sociology of Journalism' (McNair) Journalism Ethics and Regulation (Frost) Newspapers Handbook (Keeble) News in Advanced Democracy (van Ginneken) News: A reader (Tumber) and 13 years in the industry.
Also I'd read your links before posting as they make no mention of proprietors - it's an outdated Q1 list of donors across each party. For starters I suggest reading up on Johnson Press.

originally posted by: paraphi
a reply to: crazyewok

The MP did respond to the email. He did not rise to the bait though.

He never answered a single question and communicated illegally - that's not a response and is in diret breach of Parliamentary law. I'd asked civily dozens of times for his help regarding the DWP, he never turned up to a single surgery (wasting my time and money) andhas never lifted a finger to help local constituents as he was parachuted in.


Though if you consider me pointing out his complicity in covering up paedophillia, refusing to stand up for constituents, refusing to attend surgery, refusing to raise matters of parliament or represent the local electorate as bait I can't say I'm suprised you're defending him. 100,000+ deaths accepting bribes and telling me my Gp and neurology teams face he would not question the DWP decsion to ignore all medical evidene is not bait. Though I would have been more polite in my email if he wasn't pondlife.

originally posted by: grainofsand

originally posted by: 83Liberty
I don't understand why you guys don't just vote UKIP

Lol, I voted UKIP last time to get the referendum, we got it, now I'm voting for the Lib-Dem candidate, fantastic person previously represented my area and the only one who has a chance to beat the prick Tory candidate.
I'm voting for the person, someone I've had personal and professional dealings with.

I don't know who your Lib Dem MP is but they will highly likely vote against the negotiated trade deal with the EU
I sympathize that you have little choice.

Personally, I couldn't vote for someone I fundamentally disagree with on the biggest decision our country is making on generations.

originally posted by: bastion

originally posted by: 83Liberty
I don't understand why you guys don't just vote UKIP

Because I have an IQ in double figures

How original. I guess you are not a racist, xenophobe, [insert negative comment] either?
Have you got a more constructive reason or just going to use the same lame tactic as the MSM/other politicians?

a reply to: 83Liberty

Nothing wrong with a caring hard working Lib-dem MP nipping away at the heals of a majority conservative government.
...I loathe the Tory candidate as well and have argued often on twitter and face to face.

originally posted by: 83Liberty

originally posted by: bastion

originally posted by: 83Liberty
I don't understand why you guys don't just vote UKIP

Because I have an IQ in double figures

How original. I guess you are not a racist, xenophobe, [insert negative comment] either?
Have you got a more constructive reason or just going to use the same lame tactic as the MSM/other politicians?

It's hard to come up with a contructive criticism when their policies show nothing but ignorance of UK democracy, HoC and HoL - though I will point out the obvious they're a redundant single issue protest party that's only purpsoe for existing was removed when Brexit was voted for.

originally posted by: crazyewok
Vote him out.

He sounds like a class A prick.


My local MP goes above and beyond for constituants and everyone deserves a MP like that regardless of party.

So vote that twat out and get a MP who will do there dammed job.

I will be doing and hopefully my upcoming expose on him will see him jailed. The previous MP, Mark Hendrick, attended every surgery and if he was unnable to do so due to Parliamentary duties he would phone up instead and every issue I raised was raised by him in HoC/PMQ or CPSC - even the prior Tory MP Nigel Evans, never failed to turn up to a surgery and represented my views in parliament despite our open dislike of each other and polar opposite ethics - as any MP should.

a reply to: bastion

You got an electronic link to all these Tory donors? Political parties have to declare donations from companies and individulas. I provided a links to donors, including the Electoral Commission who compile and publish such information.

Electoral Commission

Perhaps you can cross reference your sources with the official record. If you think the official record is wrong, perhaps you should inform the Commission.

Also interested in the "media buyouts" you refer to since the election was called.

originally posted by: bastion

originally posted by: 83Liberty

originally posted by: bastion

originally posted by: 83Liberty
I don't understand why you guys don't just vote UKIP

Because I have an IQ in double figures

How original. I guess you are not a racist, xenophobe, [insert negative comment] either?
Have you got a more constructive reason or just going to use the same lame tactic as the MSM/other politicians?

It's hard to come up with a contructive criticism when their policies show nothing but ignorance of UK democracy, HoC and HoL - though I will point out the obvious they're a redundant single issue protest party that's only purpsoe for existing was removed when Brexit was voted for.

Can you be more specific please as I see them as the most democratic party on offer. They want proportional representation for the HoC and they want a smaller elected chamber for the HoL...
So please be more specific or I'll believe you're the ignorant one.

a reply to: grainofsand

Slightly off-topic I know but.....I watched Nick Clegg being interviewed this morning and he came across as far more self-assured, genuine, composed, informed and dare I say it competent than he ever did than when he was Cameron's lackey.

Who knows, maybe if he wasn't tainted with compromising all his so-called principles to form the farcical Coalition, given Corbyn's and Labour's failings and Tory greed and vindictiveness Clegg could have proven a viable alternative in this election?