Baddogma's Other Meta Cafe- Polite Discussions About Scientific Mysticism and General Weirdness

a reply to: KilgoreTrout

That's 'messed-up-out-there' territory and I have zero actual proof, to keep it as vague as possible I'd say which personality-essences reincarnate into what trajectory/story-line with what add-ons.
And yes I'm aware that implies a ton of additional meta-philosophical views that are at least debatable.
Personally I have also controversial opinions on suicide especially in a ritualistic setting they're to me basically sacrifices, to give that call an extra push.
Do prayers and rituals have any effect? Short-term no. Personally probably not. But in the bigger picture they might.
If you imagine the 'ocean of souls' as chemical soup made from all the individual intentions and attitudes it for sure can't hurt to put your ... 'hollistic wishes' on top too.
'May justice always prevail
May the truth always win
For the good that's left in the world'
Like a calling card so you know they know that's the side you're on.

a reply to: KilgoreTrout

That explanation of synchronicities reverberates well with me

pun intended

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: Reverbs

But isn't that ultimately what it's all about? How you handle it? Jokes are like probably 95% of the time the best approach.
It's all a decision. There's more than enough people who adopt hostility as their default stance, so every bit of lighthearded friendliness and laughter is an act of defiance.
I'd say, at this point.

I'm not as good at it as I'd want to be. But working on it.

Oh I am good at that. I'M battle hardened, to be soft, as my greatest strength. It's pretty impossible to fight against that..

My mom drew the anarchy symbol on our door to downstairs one night. "Like mom over the paint its crazy." "So what, it's my house."

So I'm a freewill person from my own wolf (soul) and my environment (parents , teaching) or nature nurture..

And when I was really little I didnt like my feelings being hurt. AndI saw someone else have their feelings hurt. I only spread that out in my increasing knowledge of world powers over time. I dont want anyone to be hurt. Conversely I want people to feel awesome.

Because I can see that me and other yous are actually all USes.. Deeply. Organically I'm inclined to be inviting into higher thoughts through humor rather than degradation or chastisement. Or it's easier to work together if we tell each other what we love about each other, than it is to tell each other everything we dont like, and Fix It!..


And still my kitten survives.. cause I got my WOLF!

a reply to: KilgoreTrout

I want to give you a response later, about cause and effect and time..

But until then I just want to say that I keep saying I'm confused about cause and effect.. and time..

As my own life sort of spoke out of turn if time is the highest law..

Choices can go back in time at least for entangled particles (photons. Electrons) In countless experiments I have read.

I'm drinking so I will read your post later to actually comment beyond my own personal scope.

Also you guys are awesome!


Ps Joe is my favorite interviewer for that reason. It's not joe you get when you see his interviews.. you do.. but, he has honed over years bs detector/inviting/tellme what you mean... He's good at guiding people to exposing themselves for good or not..

Its invigorating for me to watch. Even if I've lost the taste for it recently.. seeing that one clip, reminded me of why I love watching conversations between joe and one other person.. Honesty insues. Honesty is beautiful, even when it's wrong.

And Joe teases it out perfectly for you to choose how you see it. Honestly insightful, or honestly crazy.
Just honestly.

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: KilgoreTrout

That explanation of synchronicities reverberates well with me

pun intended

Ganz!! You're it.

a reply to: Reverbs

Last thing before I go to sleep tonight.

More Poignant.

I can't imbed, but general weirdness is beyond even that in this video. Wow.
Jay Weidner talks about things like this.

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a reply to: Peeple

Wouldn't you assume that they know what side your on? All-seeing? All knowing? Or is that not what you meant?

I mean millions of people every Sunday around the world pray for peace, love and understanding, I often join them. Some of them have been at it, as organisations, for a couple millennia or more. Does justice prevail or truth always win? Why is there so little good left in the world if all this praying has any point? If the ocean of souls can see their intentions, surely they can see if they are worthy of having their wishes granted.

Do you know the hymn, Lord of Sea and Sky (I have heard my people cry)? It's based off of Isaiah (6 I think, probably wrong - arrgh numbers). A call followed by action seems to be the requirement. It isn't just the thought that counts unless that thought changes behaviour, surely? Love they neighbour as yourself is repeated in those same sunday services but appears to translate into loving only some of your neighbours as yourself. Perhaps, you're right, perhaps the prayers aren't coming true because of the intentions behind them. Perhaps too many of us are hypocrites to be taken seriously by the "higher" ups.

originally posted by: Reverbs
And Joe teases it out perfectly for you to choose how you see it. Honestly insightful, or honestly crazy.
Just honestly.

I actually felt as though it was the other guy interviewing Joe rather than the other way round. I started out and I thought, I'm not going to enjoy this but then the dynamic got me and I kind of loved where it went. The 3D/4D thing I liked a lot, but it didn't tie with anything I've experienced really so I guess I'm one of the 3D people, lol. I don't need to be included, it's okay.

a reply to: PillarOfFire

Would I believe him if he told me that these were "melted buildings"?



Cappadochia is next on my holiday wish-list. Some of the Airbnbs are amazing and cheap as chips.

I did really like the mountain "door" though, CGI or otherwise, reminded me of the Eragorn books.

a reply to: KilgoreTrout

I log off and this was waiting on my desk top.

Burhans has been a deeply committed Catholic since she was twenty-one. For a year or two, when she was in college, she considered becoming a nun. Later, though, as she grew increasingly concerned about climate change, her ambitions broadened, and she began to think of ways in which the Catholic Church could be mobilized as a global environmental force. “There are 1.2 billion Catholics,” she told me. “If the Church were a country, it would be the third most populous, after China and India.” The Church, furthermore, is probably the world’s largest non-state landowner. The assets of the Holy See, combined with those of parishes, dioceses, and religious orders, include not just cathedrals, convents, and Michelangelo’s Pietà but also farms, forests, and, by some estimates, nearly two hundred million acres of land.

Burhans concluded that the Church had the means to address climate issues directly, through better land management, and that it was also capable of protecting populations that were especially vulnerable to the consequences of global warming. Some researchers have estimated that drought, rising sea levels, and other climate-related disasters will drive two hundred million people from their homes by 2050; many of those people live in places—including some parts of Central Africa, the Amazon Basin, and Asia—where the Church has more leverage than any government. “There is no way that we will address the climate crisis or biodiversity loss in any sort of timely manner if the Catholic Church does not engage, especially with its own lands and property,” Burhans said. “At the end of the day, I’m more subordinate to my ecclesiastical authority than I am to my government authority. You can see that kind of sentiment even in non-Catholics, like Martin Luther King, Jr.—sometimes you have to default to a greater good.” What if desecration of the environment were a mortal sin? Could faith accomplish what science and politics have not?

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originally posted by: KilgoreTrout

originally posted by: Reverbs
And Joe teases it out perfectly for you to choose how you see it. Honestly insightful, or honestly crazy.
Just honestly.

I actually felt as though it was the other guy interviewing Joe rather than the other way round. I started out and I thought, I'm not going to enjoy this but then the dynamic got me and I kind of loved where it went. The 3D/4D thing I liked a lot, but it didn't tie with anything I've experienced really so I guess I'm one of the 3D people, lol. I don't need to be included, it's okay.

I didnt exactly like that part.. we are not 3D beings. Maybe if he mentioned 5d compared to 4d I wouldn't have lost the plot as much


but not being so nitpicky the general idea is fine but joe is much better versed and calls it ego things. It's the biggest issue studying the thing that connects through your mind is also your mind is there
.

It flavors your ideas.

a reply to: KilgoreTrout

' Doesn't hurt' is the half full glas 'it's probably futile' half empty, same glas. The only difference it makes is to your attitude.

...having their wishes granted...

lol
I don't know how we ended up on the topic of religion, but since we have: I only pray if I am super high it's a very disfunctional relationship, but if one fact is well established it's 'granting wishes' is not part of the job description of the all-seeing & -knowing.

originally posted by: Reverbs
I didnt exactly like that part.. we are not 3D beings. Maybe if he mentioned 5d compared to 4d I wouldn't have lost the plot as much

Haha, I just really enjoy that kind of thing when you have two (or more) relatively intelligent people who have opposing views trying to understand each other...the other guy more than Rogan. 3D, 4D or 10D means nothing to me, answers none of my questions but the interplay between the two, the dialogue does. That guy really wanted to go to a level with Rogan, he did his homework, he came prepared. That's what I like, agreeing or disagreeing is surplus to my requirements.

a reply to: Peeple

Have we ever left the topic of religion?

Montheistic beliefs are definately lacking in the wishfulfillment category. All that "oneness" I suppose. But there are still Wishing Trees in use today. And wells, I suppose, to cover the little things that the one god can't or doesn't cover.

I expect wishes appeal more to the laws (gods) of probability. Hmm, wishes don't sit well with concepts of preordination and predestination so much, do they? They kind of render probability moot or even impossible, if your wish comes true it was always going to come true. If it doesn't, it never was going to.

a reply to: Reverbs

Michael Malice is who it is. You may have known that, I didn't. Interesting guy.

More from the same interview.

a reply to: KilgoreTrout

Have we ever left the topic of religion?

I'd like to say yes. 2nd thought sometimes. 3rd that depends

But since you talked about monotheistic & catholic and I already had something to say about that last time: as I understand it, not even the bible tells us there's only one God. It says the Abrahams should only pray to their one God, while he often talks about plurals.
And if we're nitpicking 3 gods are not one, if we put all the Saints and angels on top we'd really need to start asking where's the line?
People pray to Mary, does that make her a God?
I've got a very different few of who Jesus was than the average Christian and think it's very 'dangerous' to deify and pray to a human if you at the same time pretend you only have the one.
Especially if that one describes himself as jealous.
My main argument against the one being a 'good guy' as we understand it is the shoa.
So I sometimes think the snake and Jesus were working for the same guy and it's not all bad, it gave us the sciences and such. Christians say the name of Jesus defend one from demons and Satan, my impression is it's attracting it.
'Let Jesus in your heart' they say which is technically alright if you focus on the love thy neighbour stuff, things get a bit iffy if it includes the version of the same guy cursing a fig tree.
And that is only the surface while I have my first coffee.

...But it kind of brings us back to put out your intentions and navigate from that instead of following the flock in the name of ... whoever

a reply to: Reverbs

I totally don't get the Joe experience. That's why I don't participate in that train of conversation.
But let's see where/when we... run into a common topic again.

a reply to: KilgoreTrout

Totally one of those bucket list places to explore