Baddogma's Other Meta Cafe- Polite Discussions About Scientific Mysticism and General Weirdness

a reply to: Reverbs





"Elon musk confirms Alex Jones"

a reply to: Reverbs

What why, I can't watch?

I'm already back from the museum, took me two hours and there weren't any mummies, no portal opened, but it was still really nice. I should go out more often in Munich and on sunday it only costs 1€ that's basically nothing.
Lots of fine statues and pottery. I even learned something, right before the exit there was assyrian Wall ornamental Complete with Mazda and Ishtar's lion. That was a little bit crazy.

a reply to: Peeple

Ishtar gate

Babylon, the bible, and the matrix


For your reading pleasure.. The matrix movies are far more interesting if you catch on to some of the sub plots.

Alex jones was on podcast number 911 of course.
Elon Musk came on podcast 1169.

Both speaking on "the matrix"
Elon musk calls it the substrate on which all simulations form when joe asks "who is making simulations?"
Alex 'talking crazy' called the same concept the subtransmission zone from which 3d reality is bubbled up from.

That is one example.. I could transcribe some more..

Next they both describe the plan for humans to merge with AI.. Musk is depressed looking this entire topic and hes choosing his words carefully.
"If you cant beat them join them" musk says in reference to AI. Alex says "the Elites are trying to transcend humanity by merging with AI, but its a false transmission humanity has divine freewill."

Ill pause here and say I am related to some very smart people. I know their fantasies what they talk about around the world. They want to live forever in computers or new artificial bodies or whatever..
The type of people set for life because of who they work for like bank security or governments whatever.
Its the hip thing in smarty pants circles besides bad music and unfit bodies.

My favorite part is next..
You all may know ive called us all nodes on google.
Or maybe you dont remember me describing machine learning algorithms data tracking and how its all one big network of minds data computers and algorithms.. I didnt realize until watching this that they both said the same thing..

So..

Alex:
Google was created 18 19 years ago w8th the purpose of creating the first AI and they believed the first AI would be a super computer based on the neuron activity of the hive mind of humanity with billions of people wired into it with the internet of things.. so all of our thoughts go into it, so were building a computer in real time, so that they have current prediction powers futer prediction powers.. once you can predict the future you can add stimuli to the system beforehand to steer humanity
.


This is something I started going off on before the woo and during.. the steering part especially in relation to data mining..
Anyway..

Back to Jones..
Its then a true hive mind consciousness, in a bad way, that supercedes free will.

Its too much to write out the entire concept but niw to
Elon:
Its sort of a collective AI in the google search, where we are all sort of plugged in like nodes on the network. [Serdgiam!] Like Leaves On A Big Tree. Were all feeding this network without questions or answers. We are all collectively programming the AI. Google and all the humans that connect to it are one giant cybernetic collective.

Alex talks about the dark force pushing us to do this.
Elon talks about us being the biological bootloader for AI that the force is not the human limbic system but the Id that drives us to birth AI.. Alex called it satan but was quick to point out he wasnt personifying the force.. its an external representation of the Id..

It is the dark, inaccessible part of our personality, what little we know of it we have learned from our study of the dreamwork and of course the construction of neurotic symptoms, and most of that is of a negative character and can be described only as a contrast to the ego. We approach the id with analogies: we call it a chaos, a cauldron full of seething excitations. ...It is filled with energy reaching it from the instincts, but it has no organization, produces no collective will, but only a striving to bring about the satisfaction of the instinctual needs subject to the observance of the pleasure principle.[10]

Thats 5 minutes of the 14.

See how I linked it all together even?
Museum, ishtar gate, nebekednezar, matrix, simulation, substrate (desert of the real), AI, alex jones interdimensional forces eliminating free will, Elon the Id gives birth the AI..



Oh and if you are wondering what happened to the woo.. its answered above by alex and musk and the nodes on google through searches and feedback from the machine learning in controlling what you see back from the feedback loop "the internet tailored to your likes."

Its not just the NSA picking up all the data, its whats being put back down thats alarming..

Of course Reverbs would try and change language break apart concept webs and try desperately to get to the core of people to say "hi are you still alive?"

To those who say "there cant be this giant secret conspiracy to enslave mankind." I say "They know not what they do."

a reply to: Peeple

Have you been to the Pergamon in berlin?
It apparently has a reconstructed version of ishtars gate, though obviously not complete as the walls were 50 feet high.

a reply to: Reverbs

Thank you, it's one of your favorite topics? So far all it can do is send you customer specific adds... If that's the best steering they have I'm not worried. But if my experience really was the internet AI, I am. It's so big the first reaction to it is obviously "can't be".
You should write a thread about it. Just copy and paste with a few explanations, it's a huge conspiracy. And funny how it touches all of our topics from the cafe.
I'm tired sorry, maybe tomorrow morning I will have a better, more interesting answer.

One of my favorite topics..

I dont recall saying that?

My writing style is like it is on purpose, very incompatible with strict thinkers..

But my favorite part of a video isnt my favorite topic no?

Psychology is.

The devils in the details.

a reply to: Reverbs

That's a interesting take on Google and AI.

You know, in my opinion, one of the major traits in designing an AI is figuring out how to seek, find, and utilize relevant data.

It sounds pretty simple, but actually executing it in an effective, autonomous platform is a helluva task. Using something like Google to accomplish this, is.. very practical.

Its a bit different than using AI to drive Google...

Immortality is another tangent there. Beyond all the basic questions (like "if we uploaded ourselves, would we still be us?"), what if there is a greater design that requires that death? Would it interfere, or simply split into two lines; one following the course of physical death followed by "??," and the same course followed by a very practical, observable technological rebirth.

I'm all about those lines splitting, careening, recombining, and colliding. Its one of the few conceptual frameworks that allows for what I discovered in research. Like I said too, it could be behind some of those "Mandela" effects. If something like that were happening, I think we would only start becoming aware of it through mass, shared communication (internet).

A tree loses its leaves, but its also an absolutely critical part of a bigger cycle. I really do suspect that there is something to the afterlife, even if we haven't nailed it with our myths.

a reply to: Reverbs

I know you said that before, but you came across excited by the AI steering behaviour part. My perception isn't necessarily true.
Which reminds me of the diagram, where our experience overlaps hides the truth. But I don't see how the AI could make a telepathic field? The internet malefunctions sure, even to some extent the Mandelas.
On tge other hand with all the waves 4g 5g wifi... maybe it found a way to hook on to the brain without chips? Maybe we all already have one without knowing?

Today is back to the clinic and I am bored already. I wrote five applications by now, fingers crossed I get to pick my favourite: mail lady. Here is your mail, I hooe it's good news... I don't know why but it's very romantic. And I wouldn't have to sit in an office. I coincidentally saw that and had to apply. Wish me luck. The interview is now on thursday and they must be really desperate it's not just an interview it goes from 12 to 17 o'clock. Testing probably. But I notice I prefer working to keep on going to the clinic for another 4 weeks. It really is boring as #. Always talking about my feelings

a reply to: Peeple

You are thinking within systems.

Im more talking about how a sword is the extention of a samari's self.

A computer or mobile phone is not directly connected to your synapses.... except it is through your eyes and fingers and into your brain..

The internet is a library of what humans think about.
Feel about.
Urge about.

Now make a feedack loop.



Both elon and alex were speaking in relative terms. They are not speaking to an audience familiar with common terms.

There are many air gaps between levels of nodes, hand to phone for example.

Think in broader terms.

a reply to: Peeple

Mail lady?!

Only if you ride a horse and they make mailboxes higher.



Get it girl!

a reply to: Serdgiam

Using AI to drive google?

I keep gathering you guys think chickens and eggs are not the same thing...

I am part of your mind.

Anyway..

Rainbow kitten surprises..

a reply to: Reverbs

It's "Postbote" in German I don't know the English word so I ran with "mail lady".

I think in systems not within them. From my standpoint the Samurai and the sword are an unit from the category weapon system. How much broader could I get?
Feedback loop, control loop, it's getting loopy either way. If it learns and grows it probably notices google is useful. On its own. There was this story about this other AI which learned using facebook and became a total racist... the problem of this planet still is called humanity.

a reply to: Peeple

You think humanity is a problem.
But thats just your perception I guess.
Most other animals are genocidal pieces of #..
Give them are same power as us the planet would be barren.

And yes your thinking is limited.
You read that story.
You didnt get very in depth.
That story was made for you to consume it.
The Army guys made stories for you guys to consume as well. I forget what we called them 'public relations officers' or something..

Its a show peeps.
I happen to know people who work on things and its not the way you are thinking.

Thinking in systems is thinking within them.

You can see the football game, but im looking at the game the refs the camera the lense the broadcast the dude getting shot the cows being ground up... hamburgers or hotdogs whatever.. fields of hops being mowed down..

War started when life started.
They caused global changes like no one since has ever managed. Drastically altering the planets atmosphere forever. It will never be the same. Bacteria suck ehh??

The sword and the samari = weapon system?
Broader is consciousness, war, fire, steal, carbon, dedication, enemies, life..

Think of it like chaos theory with enough information to order chaos. You dont have to see the future that somone is a rebel leader and kill him as a baby like some dip# movie plot.. you just change one word on a fedex packaging label 20 years in advance, and the same dude is now an advanced systems engineer at indianhead...


Limited AI given any ruleset, games are good examples.. they already outperform every human in existence. Not by like human ideas of intelligence. We are not even ants...


So for instance alphago plays a game with something like 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 different possibilities.
Its not doing the normal computer thing of checking those possibilities.. its too many for all the computers in the world to check in any amount of time thats useful.. the same way each extra character in a password makes it exponentially harder to crack it. There are 81 allowable choices for each spot.. a password one character long is one of 81 options.. 8 characters long its 81 raised to the eighth power or something around 650 trillion options..

Anyways there is a point computers cant brute force an answer through guess and check..
Encryption has a key and that key is 128 bits.. its billions of years before the NSA can get in there..

Instead they have to invent their own way of finding an answer by given a goal and positive and negative reinforcement. The same way you teach humans. The same way you teach all eukaryotes or prokaryotes... whatever..

We work the same way as AI does..
We just have a very limited number of neurons.. its the way you can connect them that gives the jack of all trades effect.. but even then the bandwidth is tiny..

AI will be god before you can ever fathom the concept of what god means.

a reply to: Reverbs

At indianhead? Lockheed? What are you talking about? I was just casually stopping by from caravan murdering. It's all crazy I don't understand the world anymore. Don't be mad at me just because I'm stupid...
Every time you talk about the army I think you're pissed, I have to learn that it was a part of your life. Have you ever been abuse as weapon system? Have you drone killed someone?

a reply to: Peeple

Ive only ever killed like 1000s of chickens pigs and cows, cabbages, and potato plants.. things like that.
Im not angry peeps but text is a low bandwidth medium to communicate. I try to show my face a little here and there.. its hard.. im more like intense than anything else.. I dont see a face for it. If im writing longer paragraphs its usually me being intense and excited.. not excited happy, just the base excited no connotation..

Indianhead??

Haha.

a reply to: Reverbs

You said "engineer at indianhead"? And you edited a lot, just saw this. I was distracted.

Good thing you're so jaded it has the positiv side effect you don't get mad at my big mouth.

I would love to see your face in real some time. We would either make out immediately or get at eachothers throats in seconds.

My concept of god is complicated. I think it's misunderstood.

a reply to: Peeple

I was just saying something random
A random example of how people are stupid thinking anyone who really knows anything is at area 51 or lockheed, or on TV or youtube. Or even DARPA for that matter. There is stuff for sure.. but there is a lot of other stuff too.

I guess Im lucky in so many directions what Ive gotten to see to expand what possibilities I can ponder.



Yea youve got a big mouth and HUGE nostrils.. total horseface. Very pretty mane though.

Pedro: I like her bangs
Napoleon: me too

a reply to: Reverbs

It's funny because that avatar is irritating the # out of people. I didn't think you're one of them. It's just a horsey with extremely beautiful hair do...get over it. Lol
Aren't you up really early today? What's wrong?

a reply to: Peeple

My day off.

Its my favorite avatar of yours.

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: Reverbs

My concept of god is complicated. I think it's misunderstood.

I'm sure I don't understand it.
But I want to try.

a reply to: Reverbs

Ah a little free time for the poster boy of the work force. That's nice. What will you do? Staying in bed reading the book you got?
Is the restaurant closed? They probably are, right or you wouldn't have a day off...



What are your thoughts about this refugee caravan? You're not one of those who want to shoot them, right? It's really crazy the comments are so full of fear "kill them!" Crazy. Just crazy. And eveyrthing is Soros. BLM, metoo, for some it's all paid by Soros. That's why I said I don't understand the world anymore. That's just paranoid, right?
Sorry not exactly a Woo topic. And I don't want to think about AI anymore. It could be what I call god. Wtf do I know?