Baddogma's Other Meta Cafe- Polite Discussions About Scientific Mysticism and General Weirdness

a reply to: Peeple

there is a body. if there is telepathy. and it sometimes calling itself sick and saying `oh why are you so happy, you shouldnt be, i didnt do anything to make you happy. it isnt normal that you are happy' things like this. and the same body again believe he doesnt deserve your love or that he will hurt you. it is really puzzling.

a reply to: Peeple

nobody can hear another. you can only hear yourself.

a reply to: Damla

That's something different. I was th8nking more in terms of spiritual connection. Or maybe empathic machines like the TARDIS.

You talk about gut talks? If you're body is voicing things to you that's your microbes, or micro-biosphere you're talking about?

a reply to: Peeple

hahahah! pls dont call them microbes. they are cute

a reply to: Peeple

Bed I am in bed.
Topical topics...
Maybe after I wake up again.

Im still stuck on that line of subjective objectivity..
Almost like "did it look like that because I thought it should? Or if I thought something else would I even see it?" And in either case is there something there definitely one way or another?

Some people might start to think reality is a two way street. What is perception really? And off topic but yea how does puurrception relate to inception word meaning wise..

I can say it another way.. without me there to give something meaning its meaningless, but the meaning i see is put there by me so its only a diverted perception on whats "real."

It just feels so catch 22.
To experience objective reality you have to be a subjective being, if you are a subjective being you never experience objective reality..

As long as we agree on the stories/histories even untrue history it seems we all think its ok. But for me its almost like having the ability to see makes me blind.

a reply to: Reverbs

You just made my head hurt. Running in circles and I got no clue what your pole is. If we're talking about experience there can't really be an objective reality, it's always subjective. Even the venn diagram approach doesn't help with things in mind like mass hysteria/hypnosis/hallucinations. But does it really matter? Isn't the subjective story much more interesting than the objective cold naked facts, at least 90% of the time? And in terms of experience what good could objectivity do for you?

a reply to: Peeple

What good can objectivity do for itself.. like I was saying objectivity cant see objectivity.. therefore subjects... being subjective isthe only way to see and now its not "reality" being seen..
Its just always been this weird thing I think about that drives me insane mostly because I know most people don't think it.. similar feeling as the first time I realized all my special life moments would only be remembered through reimagination in mind/body.. but that same exact moment would never be again..
Maybe if one did not exist they could know the truth.

Universe being funny..
First game I look at online to possibly download and its description is simply:

Life. Afterlife. Real. Virtual. Dream. Nightmare. It's a thin line.

To answer your question, I don't care for objectivity. I am here for the ride.. make it science fiction fantasy please with a side of mysticism. What I am really saying is what does objective reality mean to anyone?


Im just currently noticing how people tell the story and other story tellers cant tell a different story around similar events.. like one person might describe a tree as an organization of chemical bonds and someone else could say nah its an organism that through mechanical process survives because it was a survivor... then somone else might say flowers are beautiful thats whats really going on.. somone else will talk about plant memory..

I just find it odd they cant have multiple stories about the same thing.

I want all the stories at once..

Somone said I am scatterbrained..

This is why.. Im trying to see all of it like multidimensional..

a reply to: Reverbs

I think I know a similar feeling, all my craziest woo high time experience is basically lost, wasted on just me as witness never to be believed or proven to anyone objectivly. I think that comes from the scientific conditioning? Nothing is worth anything if it's singular. And it was special subjective singular, a one time event for one single person to see, feel and experience all the magnitude and beauty and horror... it's sad and humbling if you allow it to be remembered or reimagined as you put it.

Yesterday I had already a day where I wrote down bs like "live and let live" just to get back in that Mindset I had before it all made me so angry that it refused to present itself in an objective way, and here you are today Opening my eyes to the fact that this is what I'm doing and why, thank you BB.

My blue is your azure... didn't we in the first café have a lenghty discussion about language and the different approaches to describe events?

a reply to: Peeple

Outside of experience what exists?

Electrons dont feel force..

Rain bounces off the pavement, but it doesnt know that.. could go in any direction dark light whatever temperature whatever speed.. none of it matters.. none of it is happenning.. not for the water.. people know what it feels like to push to magnetic poles of the same orientation together but magnets dont.. it doesnt feel like anything..

(Based on the non consciousness universe model)

Its all just a big nothing that never moves to its own knowledge.

Or thats how the story is told anyway.

And even If I prove to myself otherwise I still don't know sh1t. Cause Its just another story. Im not knocking stories. Thats my jam. Its all I really care about anymore.

a reply to: Reverbs

Non consciousness universe model? What's that? That sounds like hell freezing over in my world?

a reply to: Peeple

Ncum for short...

Thats what most people believe..

Im more towards everything knows something, even if what they (the it) know (s) isnt true for something somone else..

Use the force queen of coffee and honey.. well' dont use it, just borrow it..

Many trippers report becoming the framework of the universe.. its like trillions and trillions of copies of themselves holding up the 4th wall of illusion that allows humans to tell stories.. beavers and buttercups and bees as well..

I just find it all so funny that I am alive.. like wtf?! Unicerse you crazy.. Reverbs?? For real? I must be dreaming.

I just feel confused sometimes, like im the outside looking in at 99.999% of myself and .0001% is me writing this post sort of the rest is too... through time and space we danced the dance.. here we are.

a reply to: Reverbs

Here we are holding up the 4th wall of illusion and talking the talk...

I think it's amazing how much these conversations with you give me, as if I need a second opinion on everything I think or ever thought. And a doll, a second opinion and a doll.

a reply to: Peeple

I think its funny we even have these conversations.
The peeple I meet...
Sometimes its almost like someone is dropping hints from outside of time.
Maybe its you lol.

I never gave tea and milk a try..
Tea and honey of course..
Honey and coffee ok, lets see.

What will we think of next?

I have a wonder..

Subjectivity is part of what gives free will.
What would happen if all the sudden your brain power was x a trillion.. you know everything and the processing speed is zero to calculate all time and space and all happennings..

At that point do you have freewill?

Thats random but its based on my original imaginations of "god" what would it be like to be god? So many humans who believe complain. From human perspective looking up.. but change the viewing angle. Be all knowing and do you get to have fun? What is your experience? And could you interact with humans without hopelessesly subjecting their free will?

Id feel sorry for god if there is one that has an entity self that could see other than self.. if all is self god is fine if not quite opaque to subjective pointed arrows of perception.. but like the sand melting into the sea and the ancient lava it came from or ancient star... its all this great symphony of awesomeness.. the ocean deep dark old is my human perception analogy of the whole everything.. If I had a temple besides my self it would be the ocean at night, with the entire milky way above.

a reply to: Reverbs

I like your temple it's beautiful. But the ocean is scary and a little bit disgusting. The fish live and eat where they poop and pee.

Yesterday I was thinking about the ideal god, but I already lost interest maybe that will come back later. I can't imagine what it would feel like to be all-knowing and everywhere at once, I imagine if that is the only way of existence you know it is something god never thinks about. Or maybe just sometimes to freak himself out.

What is that thing? A trash bin? You were really lucky the monster storm turned out to be so tame.

a reply to: Reverbs

So now I thought about it, the all-knowing bit with super computing powers: I don't think there would be other choice left than what outcome you want to achieve, from that question on and if you're serious that it has to be achieved, god would have to submit the freewill to the goal.

a reply to: Peeple

I know from my perspective I would know the "best" course of action.. but then is the universe "mine" and did I create the biggest slave colony ever?

I couldnt do that.
In fact from the very moment of creation I already set up the endgame..

But thats hella boring. Now ive invented hell for myself.. everything is a re run.. there is no stimulation. Its the same game of chess forever..
What was the point?




People who would blame a god or a universe for their problems are asking for their free will to be taken.

a reply to: Reverbs

Maybe god puts so much emphasis on to free will because that is the end goal? From my perspective "free" is for many just a four letter word. They are so slaves to their urges and busy with survival needs there isn't much free choices left.
How can you be really free? In a body with all the maintenance?

a reply to: Peeple

You cannot.
Thats our cross to bear ya know?
You dont get to be perfect lol..
You are a gross ocean all your own with all the fishies pooping in you..
Then you unload the master tanks they helped fill..

Anyway.
Perfect freedom is not something ive argued for existing..

Pure freedom has the same thing as all knowing. Whats the point? Why do anything? Without a body drugs are no fun..

I think of it like a tool.. a heavy tool you have to carry around everywhere, but without it could you exist at all? I think half the fun of free will is having the angel devil abd body on your shoulders.. it is important to recognize the self below all influence of course.

What pokes and urges "god?"

a reply to: Reverbs

Especially existing beyond time, when everything is at once for you... No being god certainly doesn't sound like a lot of fun.
My become like god thread was from the kabbalah the base line is "God wants everybody to be their best self" but for the life of me I can't figure out what that means.
And the answers I got so far were'nt helpful at all. I want nothing bad for anybody but I like justice, knowing that many "bad things" are done because of circumstances. Somehow the topic is very complicated to me since I'm humanist and don't really see things black or white. You know? Have you figured out what your best self is?

a reply to: Peeple

I am my best self. Keep your heart alive and Love.
Everything is complicated to me.. i live gray.. there is no black or white..

Im allergic to absolutes and people who "know."
Even the universe doesnt seem to know the future.
And I dont know anything every situation is like an equation.. everything is on a sliding scale for me.. is it ok to kill people? Sure.. sometimes.. depends..

Its one of my great strengths in the restaurant game. That flexability.. others go yo work with ideals and statements.. "every plate is going out as ordered"
Sounds good in theory, but it leads people to "make up" or "leave out" ingredients.. you cant have unwavering ideas.. no youre not selling the enchilladas with out the tallegio fondu.. its now dry corn tortillas with meat..

No i already told you its off the menu. Ill make their replacement order and they will get something extra, but you are not serving bs. Still they think based on some philosophy they invent.. its a shortcut to not constantly making decisions. My brain is going all the time. Assume nothing, or as little as makes sense..

figure it out as you go
Thats life.

Oh and Id say "god" wants you to try. Always a human becoming, never already become.

Youre perfect just the way you are in unconditional love.

Oh and that hubris thing can really bite one in the butt.