Christians Massacred in Egypt

a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

I wonder if Trump will do something about them. After all he did promise to help the Christians over there.

a reply to: imwilliam

Yeah, I don't think you could successfully argue that, but you're welcome to try.

Guess who said this:

“I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty
Creator. By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lord’s work.”

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: ARM1968

Then what follows is adulteres are stoned.

Those who offend Muslim sensibilities are attacked or killed.

In essence I agree with you. However for that to work you need a rational and grown up populace capable of reflection and moderation.

Currently much of the true Muslim beliefs and feelings are kept hidden, open that Pandora's box and we will all be able to understand the depth of the problem.

However, free speech as you mean it would simply be a vehicle they would use to justify their beliefs and brutality.

One day I hope they are mature enough to allow what you propose in a way that is beneficial.

11-12 year olds are forced to marry.

LGBT rights are denied and they are attacked and vilified.

You cannot allow the illusion of free speech being a panacea that will 'cure' this problem.

However the truth regarding Muslims and Islamic faith needs to be aired so the depth of the problem can be understood.

I'm not sure what form of logic stipulates stoning comes from free speech, but I wholly disagree. Only through the allowance of unfettered criticism can any society learn from its own mistakes and rectify them.

a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

Why does the media and Governments generally avoid any stories regarding Christian Syrians or Christian Libyans or Christian Egyptians?

The Russians talked about Syrian Christian that they were better off under Assad. Putin, claimed that was one of the reasons they were supporting Assad. Whether that's true or not, I don't know.

a reply to: eNumbra

So?

It's like going to the butcher and asking for meat. It's imprecise.

a reply to: imwilliam

Just as with Libya yes the Syrians as a whole were better off under Assad. Remember, it wasn't the Syrian people per se that attempted to overthrow Assad neither was it the Libyan people who wanted to overthrow Ghadaffi. Both those countries had amazing standards of living, were wealthy and moderate with many western influences.....until the pipeline fiasco

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

The following are religious extremists:
Christian extremists.
Islamic extremists.
Buddhist extremists.

a reply to: Deaf Alien

“I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty
Creator. By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lord’s work.”

There you go, cherry picking again. Your problem is that you don't approach the evidence to find the truth, you sift the evidence to support your preconceived notions.

Richard Weikart, "Hitler's Religion" for an analysis that doesn't cherry pick.

a reply to: imwilliam

"Sift the evidence"
LMAO. Ironic. Using books to support your preconceived notions.
You are funny. But anyway let's just agree to disagree. It's obvious you are not interested.
Like all the articles I read that support your notions said - it comes down to what you mean by religious.

a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

Just as with Libya yes the Syrians as a whole were better off under Assad. Remember, it wasn't the Syrian people per se that attempted to overthrow Assad neither was it the Libyan people who wanted to overthrow Ghadaffi. Both those countries had amazing standards of living, were wealthy and moderate with many western influences.....until the pipeline fiasco

You have to wonder don't you? I never really understood the reasoning behind the "Assad must go at all costs" position

a reply to: imwilliam

Economics and oil
Saudi wants a pipeline that runs into Europe through Syria and Turkey. Syria said no as Russia already provides most of the gas to Europe if not all of it and Syria is allied with Russia

Ghadaffi and Saddam were going to change from the petro dollar to the petro euro. That was a big no no. Both those leaders whilst harsh and one possibly quite nuts,kept their countries running and free from radicals. Now take a look after our glorious leaders dealt with them

originally posted by: PhyllidaDavenport
a reply to: imwilliam

Economics and oil
Saudi wants a pipeline that runs into Europe through Syria and Turkey. Syria said no as Russia already provides most of the gas to Europe if not all of it and Syria is allied with Russia

Ghadaffi and Saddam were going to change from the petro dollar to the petro euro. That was a big no no. Both those leaders whilst harsh and one possibly quite nuts,kept their countries running and free from radicals. Now take a look after our glorious leaders dealt with them

I believe that it is all about oil. And that Saudi Arabia is responsible for terrorism to keep the M.E. in a constant state of war.

a reply to: Deaf Alien

LMAO. Ironic. Using books to support your preconceived notions.

Oh man, you're a genius for sure.

originally posted by: imwilliam
a reply to: Deaf Alien

LMAO. Ironic. Using books to support your preconceived notions.

Oh man, you're a genius for sure.

a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

Economics and oil

Seems like that motive fits with the "Assad must go at all costs" position better than the idea that this is all for the Syrian people. So then why so little talk about the persecution and murder of ME Christians? Because it was an unforeseen negative consequence that they don't want to draw attention to, or do you think it's more than that?

28 men women and children on their way to the Monastery of St Samuel

Way more poor people than that are killed every day, why aren't crying about them??
I think we should have a campaign to raise awareness for all the poor people killed around the world including in this country.

a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

Not all Christians are stand and be delivered...

A few years ago I had a few guns pulled on me whilst in egypt, a group of Lebanese folks, follwing a beating at a Casino and im not a gambler by anymeans but I was playing Blackjack for the first time (on holiday in Tunisia under the influence of a flame at the time and trying to impress her).

A pure and swift punch in the face with a snarling Scottish roar! Nothing in return aside from the old runaway technique to my surprise being outnumbered and I even had one of the guns they held in my hand after disarming one of them.

Quite tired of the UK's enslavement to politcal bullspeak to be honest.

I fear the retaliation from the public that will come soon, not the so called boogy (dont want to say boogie as it sounds too dancy) men, God help the good of humanity caught in the crossfire for I still believe there are good people amongst us.

I realise this might be a tad controversal but in my opinion dying for a belief does not mean bowing down, it does not mean attacking or hurting anyone for any reason either, on a liveable level it means having respect for fellowship, various other beliefs, cultures and anything inbetween whilst never harming another person. If a group tries to harm you, thats your call to defend yourself, quite simple really.

The government, the Social Media platforms, Anti SJW, SJW pro, Feminism, the mainstream media, the religious organisations, the whole lot of the sh!tfest is saying this or that and everyone is sucking it up like a mothers nipple.

Mental/spiritual sickness maybe? But hey your fibromayagi (sarcasm intended douche) is totally exclusive to everyone, everywhere chief!

So Tired these days of this way of life.

Mans inhumanity to man would not exist without the knowledge
of good and evil. That's why good and evil exist in the Muslim the Jew
the Christian the Atheist. It's in every race and everyone of us are both
good and evil. Something is spiritually wrong with us and ignoring that
obviously isn't working.

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

The following are religious extremists:
Christian extremists.
Islamic extremists.
Buddhist extremists.

Let me know when Christian and Buddhist extremists commit atrocities, and I will levy the exact same criticism.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

The following are religious extremists:
Christian extremists.
Islamic extremists.
Buddhist extremists.

Let me know when Christian and Buddhist extremists commit atrocities, and I will levy the exact same criticism.

Robert Dear.