Christians Massacred in Egypt

originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Didn't take long for the Christian bashing to start.

Is that the same group of people??

And no this group of Christians are not spreading their brand of terrorism across the entire planet sorry, still draws no equivalency.

Lefties hate Christians.

Lefties are the product of alot of drugs and broken genetic systems.

Everytime the evolution is about to happen they pop up like a disease and muddy the waters.

They are slaves to religion even more than muslims and yet think they have no ties at all.

I have reeducated many...the pain of realization MUST be faced.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Although I agree with the fact no civilisation of the world is perfect nor is any religious held value, each of its own creates problems. Reason I have no religion, it is not needed in this world yet people will continue to state it is.

However to compare Christians to the Muslim/Islamic massacres is totally out of context. By doing such, you are trying to say they are the same. Far from it. I know of all killings occurring from both sides and its past history going back centuries however still, things have come a long way yet those Islamic, hate filled extremists have not. They are being barbaric in all ways possible.

The wrongs from both sides should not be ignored but to even for a second defend Islamic killings that are occurring worldwide is well, I could insert many words. I shall not call you names, just hope you do not wish to defend these scum.

originally posted by: TonyS
I a reply to: Deaf Alien

I was talking their cable news on TV.

I have no idea about it as I don't have cable. But it's a major headline in the world section of CNN. So accusing them of belittling the massacre because it "doesn't fit their narrative" is disingenuous.

originally posted by: Deaf Alien


Guess who said this:

“I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty
Creator. By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lord’s work.”

Seriously... You want to know what other things Hitler believed in?... Well, it would derail the thread, which is what apparently you tried to do...

How about you go ahead and point out where Jesus ever said for anyone to murder Jewish people?...

HItler, and the Nazis were into the occult. Including "trying to talk to the dead" and other occult rituals. In fact Nazi ideology has a link to Ariosophy, or the wisdom of the Aryans.

www.pinterest.com...

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The term 'Ariosophy', meaning wisdom concerning the Aryans, was first coined by Lanz von Liebenfels in 1915 and became the label for his doctrine in the 1920s.
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The ideas of Von List and Lanz von Liebenfels were part of a general occult revival in Austria and Germany of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, inspired by historical Germanic paganism and holistic philosophy as well as esoteric concepts influenced by German romanticism and Theosophy. The connection of this Germanic mysticism with historical Germanic culture is evident in the mystics' fascination with runes, in the form of Guido von List's Armanen runes.
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en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

We were talking about religious wars. The claim was that religions is the cause of most wars. (Actually I said they were the cause of most ills in history)

I am aware Hitler was not acting in accordance to what Christians generally believe to be a true Christian.

a reply to: Deaf Alien

The thread is not about your belief that all religions cause wars... Instead of discussing what the thread is about you tried to change the narrative to fit your belief that "religions are the cause of most ills in history". Which btw is false, but again. The thread is about the fact that Christians are being Massacred in Egypt.

Can you talk about what the thread is about instead of trying to make it about what your false idea that "religions are the cause of most ills in history"?...

If you can't talk about "the massacre of Christians in Egypt" then perhaps you should start your own thread and derail it all you want.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Humm...Yet another person trying to derail the thread... BTW, did you even read that link you gave?...

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Its validity cannot be verified.
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heavy.com... mass-grave-genocide-uncensored-youtube/

That video seems to be made up. Notice how the people being called to be executed get up, lay down showing no emotions and without any complain don't struggle at all. The video also seems to be heavily edited.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Um you are a little late to the party but I have discussed the topic plenty. So read before you throw accusations at me.

I cannot help to think that all these terrible acts by ISIS/ISIL are open invitations to christian countries to respond against the Muslim people. The question remains, who funds these extremists. In a world where bank accounts are now supppose to be controlled to stop the financing of terrorism. ISIS/ISIL are still financed. They still ride around in their 2300+ humvee's. Which they apparently stole with over $200 MILLION worth of american military equipment from Iraq etc. Whereas stories from Iraq tell they were told by US to hand over all the military equipment to ISIS/ISIL.

For goodness sakes, how can people without military equipment steal from people with over $200 MILLION worth of american military equipment in the first place. I just cannot get my head around the stupidity of the public in believing any of this crap. Its obvious that our great nations are allowing terrorism to prosper with open borders, its financing, and training of ISIL/ISIS.

Yet we not only allow it. We are prepared to swallow all the tripe they fling at us, day after day, month after month, year adter year, decade after decade.

Innocent women and children are dieing from our stupidity.

a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

And ....

Christian Extremists Slaughter Muslims in Central Africa

a reply to: mekhanics

Humm, let's see...

The crisis in the Central African Republic (CAR) has deep roots, but in its current form can be traced to the coup in March 2013 that removed President Françoise Bozizé from power. The coup was led by the Séléka from the northeast of the CAR, a predominantly Muslim region; President Bozizé is Christian, as is 71 per cent of the Central African population. (Read our backgrounder "What is the Séléka?" for more on the group.) While communities across the country were normally mixed, the north is predominantly Muslim, the south predominantly Christian.

The origins of Antibalaka militias date back to before the 2013 coup. In 2009, President Bozizé, unable to ensure security throughout the CAR, established loosely organised village self-protection groups that would combat bandits and other sources of insecurity on a local level.
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www.religionandgeopolitics.org...

Since 2009, the Christian President of the CAR organized self-protection groups in villages throughout CAR to combat bandits, and Muslim extremists because Bozizé's forces were not enough to fight back against the attacks throughout all of CAR. The CAR population is 71% Christian. In 2013 Muslim groups led by "the Séléka" removed by force the Christian President, and their attacks on Christians intensified, and Christians and animists fought back.

John L. Allen Jr.
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Right now, geopolitical analysts and anti-terrorism experts may not see anti-Christian persecution around the world as a real security risk, in part because Christians tend not to fight back. Africa, and Nigeria in particular, illustrates that you can't count on such forbearance enduring forever.
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Try telling that, however, to Christian farmers who’ve watched their villages burn down while Fulani militants shout Allahu Akbar, wave Islamic flags, and vow to drive infidels from the area.
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Here’s another point on which these Nigerian Christians tend to agree: They’re tired of turning the other cheek, and are increasingly ready to fight fire with fire.

When I asked a Christian attorney named Dalyop Salomon, who represents the families of many victims in Plateau State, why they don’t strike back at their attackers, here was his answer:

“We don’t have the weapons to fight back,” he said. “If we had them, and there’s a law that warrants us the right to have weapons, we would fight.”
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“I don’t know why our religious leaders here are teaching us that we should not fight,” he said. “They say] we should not do anything and that this is the practice of our religion, (but I believe) that we should defend ourselves.”
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What happens when persecuted Christians fight back?

Here is another reuters article from 2015.

World News | Thu Jan 8, 2015 | 6:29pm EST
Ethnic cleansing in Central African Republic, no genocide: U.N. inquiry

Christian militia in Central African Republic have carried out ethnic cleansing of the Muslim population during the country's ongoing civil war, but there is no proof there was genocidal intent, a United Nations commission of inquiry has determined.

The final report of the inquiry, which was submitted to the U.N. Security Council on Dec. 19, said up to 6,000 people had been killed though it "considers that such estimates fail to capture the full magnitude of the killings that occurred."

The mostly Christian or animist "anti-balaka" militia took up arms in 2013 in response to months of looting and killing by mostly Muslim Seleka rebels who had toppled President Francois Bozize and seized power in March the same year.
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www.reuters.com...

This seems to have been a similar response to the 7th century invasion of the newly converted Muslims attacking and invading Europe. in response to the Muslim crusades, the Christians responded with their own crusade, and what is happening in the CAR and other nations is a similar situation.

I do not condone attacks on any civilians, whether they are Muslim, Christian, or other religious, or non-religious groups. But people eventually get fed up of not fighting back, and take up arms.

Here is the problem I have with this particular claim that this latest attack was done by Christians.

According to the article you published:

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Asked about the civilian death toll, he added: "It is clear that we are looking at numbers that could easily reach 20 to 30." Many of the fighters are child soldiers who appeared to be under the influence of drugs, he added.
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www.reuters.com...

Since when do Christians pump their children with drugs so they would fight?... Do notice that there are also "animists" who fight alongside the Christians. I am not saying that no Christian would commit atrocities, because like during the crusades both sides did commit atrocities. However, pumping children with drugs so they would fight sounds more like tactics used by warlords who do this to commit ethnic cleansings.

a reply to: mekhanics

sigh...we know....that isn't the topic of the thread. And I'll say again as have others Christians are not terrorising the globe. The Africa story and the Middle East story are completely different. Be nice if people would read the op and reply to that!

a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

Fair enough Phyllida, but how do you think the silence regarding the/minimizing of the murders of/massacres of Christians in the ME, fits in with your theory that so much of the US involvement in the ME is economic and oil based?


Is it just to conceal/obfuscate an un-anticipated consequence or is there more to it than that?

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

How is Egypt the birthplace of Christianity?

She wrote "the Middle East was the birthplace of Christianity", and that is true. Before Muslims invaded many nations throughout the ME, for example, the Assyrian kingdom had known Christianity for over 600 years. Assyria, which was what we now know as northern Iraq, northern Syria, SE Turkey and NW Iran had been a Christian nation since the early 1st century. That was just one of the many ME regions invaded and conquered by Muslims mainly by force.

originally posted by: imwilliam
a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

Fair enough Phyllida, but how do you think the silence regarding the/minimizing of the murders of/massacres of Christians in the ME, fits in with your theory that so much of the US involvement in the ME is economic and oil based?


Is it just to conceal/obfuscate an un-anticipated consequence or is there more to it than that?

When I see the people try to blame oil it tells me they are clueless. The problems in the middle east have to do with western countries trying to make borders out of tribal areas. Let's face it when. Rearing countries they got it wrong.

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: Miracula2

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: Miracula2
You know what I would like to see is the Coptic Christians arm themselves and engage in a counter-offensive.

I would love to have Trump help them, maybe arm them. If he does he would earn my huge respect.

Wouldn't that be great. But there's many hurdles President Trump would have to clear with the Egyptian government to arm the Coptic Christians.

True. But then again no problem with him arming Saudi Arabia, a known contributor of terrorists.

Don't be offended but from your mouth to God's ears. THIS is why we have the CO2 tax also if we connect the Dots. The west wants Saudi Oil, they want to tax the hell out of by claiming boogeymen are elsewhere in a 'slight of hand tric'

Star for you from me is rare but i would give you a 1000 for this comment Deaf Alien!!!

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: imwilliam
a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

Fair enough Phyllida, but how do you think the silence regarding the/minimizing of the murders of/massacres of Christians in the ME, fits in with your theory that so much of the US involvement in the ME is economic and oil based?


Is it just to conceal/obfuscate an un-anticipated consequence or is there more to it than that?

When I see the people try to blame oil it tells me they are clueless. The problems in the middle east have to do with western countries trying to make borders out of tribal areas. Let's face it when. Rearing countries they got it wrong.

I agree with the caveat that the oil is how the money is being 'redistributed' into the hands of ISIS and the power mongers of the west. Otherwise, you are spot on to say that it is NOT about oil. Oil is simply the money train for ISIS just like Poppy is for Afghanistan and Coco leaves for Columbian drug lords.

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: imwilliam
a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

Fair enough Phyllida, but how do you think the silence regarding the/minimizing of the murders of/massacres of Christians in the ME, fits in with your theory that so much of the US involvement in the ME is economic and oil based?


Is it just to conceal/obfuscate an un-anticipated consequence or is there more to it than that?

When I see the people try to blame oil it tells me they are clueless. The problems in the middle east have to do with western countries trying to make borders out of tribal areas. Let's face it when. Rearing countries they got it wrong.

I would add that our CIA and Brits led by Sir Lawrence of Arabia, in the end, did this for possibly nefarious reasons.

a reply to: imwilliam

I believe the attacks on Christians are minimised, and the reasons why are I think complicated. We in the West are as much indoctrinated and brainwashed as the Muslims. We look at the few stories of blown up Christians in Egypt or Somalia etc and automatically our brains go "Oh their brown they can't be proper Christians. All Christians are white". If the amount of Christians killed in the Middle East was occurring in Europe, it would be an entirely different story. We are shocked and horrified when a bomb attacks happens here or in Europe and people die, but we have some form of cognitive dissonance when it comes to Christians in the ME, we are far more willing to shrug and say "its the Middle East....it happens all the time"

Its not just about oil and money, its about control power and many other things relating to the 3 main players USA Saudi & Israel....all allegedly enemies yet all working together. A very strange situation and one we will probably never know the truth about