Christians Massacred in Egypt

I have come to the conclusion that in my opinion if the world woke tomorrow and somehow religion had been wiped from all human conscience it would be a much more peaceful and tolerant place...would it be perfect...i highly doubt it but i believe it would be a whole lot better than it is now.

I don't discount any chance of a creator of sorts just as i don't discount we are living in a simulation or that aliens did it it could be one of them, non of them or a combination of all of them for all we know...but i seriously doubt any one of the worlds religions have it nailed on by any stretch.

The truth is no one knows people can claim what ever beliefs they want but in the long run that's all that it is a collection of ones beliefs and faith not fact and like it or not that is a fact.

a reply to: Deaf Alien

No explanation?

Sorry? I've been reading your posts and thought it was unsupported assertion day. It is isn't it?

originally posted by: imwilliam
a reply to: Deaf Alien

No explanation?

Sorry? I've been reading your posts and thought it was unsupported assertion day. It is isn't it?

No it isn't. There have been religious wars throughout history. Are you seriously telling me that if religions didn't exist most of the vioence wouldn't have existed?

originally posted by: ARM1968
Face the truth and help weed out the rot. I'm not sure if Islam is saveable as a faith, but we should try. It works in some places, in most it does not.

This isn't about ISIS, ISIL, Al-Qaeda - this is about the cancer eating the heart out of Islam.

There are 1.something Billion muslims on the planet, if they all wanted it, we'd have lost this war already. If you for some reason think I disagree with cutting out the cancerous extreme viewpoints in Islam you're wrong.

You cannot talk about other religions. Followers of those are not blowing themselves up or massacring others. except they are, proof has already been posted of that Stand up and be counted. It is not good enough. There are no excuses.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: dragonridr

So what massacres did coptic Christians in Egypt do?? Your starting a cimprison but clueless on history

I'm comparing Islam and Christianity. If you want to go back in time and talk about how evil Christianity was in the 16th century, go ahead. I wouldn't expect anything less from such a weakened and solipsistic populace that cannot even criticize the tyranny going on around them.

Sir, your eloquence is outstanding!
I give you a standing ovation!:hai l:

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: dragonridr

So what massacres did coptic Christians in Egypt do?? Your starting a cimprison but clueless on history

I'm comparing Islam and Christianity. If you want to go back in time and talk about how evil Christianity was in the 16th century, go ahead. I wouldn't expect anything less from such a weakened and solipsistic populace that cannot even criticize the tyranny going on around them.

Again clueless I take it you have a problem with the protestant reformation. Again I think you don't understand history. I think you were attempting to discuss the crusades. But even than I have a feeling your clueless since I guarantee you believe that actions of Christians to be evil. I'm betting you didn't realize the crusades started with attacks on pilgrims in the holy land.

There has been attempts to rewrite history. We have people that want to lie about history for political goals sad really.

a reply to: eNumbra

Please explain to me in what way my recognition that no religion is blameless - that every dogma has its extremists who give the others a bad name responsible for killing anyone? In what way does knowledge of history and current events beyond the "Muslims bad, everyone else good" narrative cause deaths?

I was speaking about relativism, to be sure, not knowledge of history and current events. Your inability to discriminate, to assess good and evil, risks dismissing justice and welcoming injustice for the sake of feelings. The inability to discriminate is the exact same mentality the "Muslims bad, everyone else good" narrative is.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

No one is denying that radical Islam is bad and a problem in the ME. Noboby wants terrorists in their countries. So "relativism" has nothing to do with this. I never heard of anyone supporting radical Islam. I am sure there are some stupid people on the far left and far right who do but they're retarded.

a reply to: dragonridr

Again clueless I take it you have a problem with the protestant reformation. Again I think you don't understand history. I think you were attempting to discuss the crusades. But even than I have a feeling your clueless since I guarantee you believe that actions of Christians to be evil. I'm betting you didn't realize the crusades started with attacks on pilgrims in the holy land.

There has been attempts to rewrite history. We have people that want to lie about history for political goals sad really.

I was referencing the Spanish Inquisition. I don't find the crusades to be evil. So much for understanding history.

a reply to: Deaf Alien

Are you seriously telling me that if religions didn't exist most of the vioence wouldn't have existed?

I know, what rubbish, right?

Re-read your sentence:

IF "religions didn't exist" THEN "most of the violence wouldn't have existed"

You're the one seriously asserting that, not me.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: eNumbra

Please explain to me in what way my recognition that no religion is blameless - that every dogma has its extremists who give the others a bad name responsible for killing anyone? In what way does knowledge of history and current events beyond the "Muslims bad, everyone else good" narrative cause deaths?

I was speaking about relativism, to be sure, not knowledge of history and current events. Your inability to discriminate, to assess good and evil, risks dismissing justice and welcoming injustice for the sake of feelings. The inability to discriminate is the exact same mentality the "Muslims bad, everyone else good" narrative is.

My "relativism" only comes about when people begin to discuss religious extremism as though it's never happened before, as if Muslims are the first and only people to ever kill in the name of god.

By all means, fight extremism, fight all of it, in every corner of the real and digital worlds where ISIS finds so much reach with social media; but don't act like this is some new, uncharted territory the world finds itself in.

a reply to: imwilliam

Since you can't explain why I am wrong I'll just agree to disagree and end that discussion.

a reply to: eNumbra

My "relativism" only comes about when people begin to discuss religious extremism as though it's never happened before, as if Muslims are the first and only people to ever kill in the name of god.

By all means, fight extremism, fight all of it, in every corner of the real and digital worlds where ISIS finds so much reach with social media; but don't act like this is some new, uncharted territory the world finds itself in.

That's why we're talking about Islamic extremism. Even now you'd prefer to call it "religious extremism". Insert religion here.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: eNumbra

My "relativism" only comes about when people begin to discuss religious extremism as though it's never happened before, as if Muslims are the first and only people to ever kill in the name of god.

By all means, fight extremism, fight all of it, in every corner of the real and digital worlds where ISIS finds so much reach with social media; but don't act like this is some new, uncharted territory the world finds itself in.

Even now you'd prefer to call it "religious extremism". Insert religion here.

So?

a reply to: eNumbra

So?

Because it fails to distinguish which religion.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

it's a religious extremism.

a reply to: Deaf Alien

Since you can't explain why I am wrong I'll just agree to disagree and end that discussion.

Yeah, given that you're unable to figure out the meaning of what you yourself wrote, that's probably best.

originally posted by: imwilliam
a reply to: Deaf Alien

Since you can't explain why I am wrong I'll just agree to disagree and end that discussion.

Yeah, given that you're unable to figure out the meaning of what you yourself wrote, that's probably best.

You're pretty much alone in believing that most of violence in history is not caused by religions.

a reply to: Deaf Alien

I want radical Islam eliminated. I'm tired of hearing stories about this all the time. Time to do something.

Islam is in need for reformation. Those moderates should take charge and ex-communicate all radicals muslims. I do not think will be a problem since everyone claims its only a minority. But somehow i doubt it. Here is video about those so called "moderates".

After every terrorist attack, politicians and pundits reassure us that the atrocity does not represent the true beliefs of the "moderate Muslim majority." But how many moderates are there? And what exactly does "moderate" mean? Military instructor and researcher Hussein Aboubakr explains.

Peace