Muslim Solicitor Speaks Out & Tells Muslims Things Must Change

originally posted by: PhyllidaDavenport
a reply to: Woodcarver

I've talked about this at length with various people and my son and we cannot see the end result.
Clearly, it must have been known by all those in power that letting in thousands of refugees mainly male from countries they knew had terrorist links & sympathies, was going to cause severe problems. If we on the street knew this then they sure did.

I've discussed the possibility of the one world order and the EU being created for total control of a continent, however, that seems to be crumbling and they could never get sod all done anyway due to all the egos and backbiting. So letting in refugees is even further undermining the one world order agenda and is causing more problems for the beleaguered EU with regular attacks

So alternatively could it be an attempt at Islamification for control of the populace as the EU has failed to do that? Are they expecting people frantically converting to Islam to feel "safe"?

"They" made us accepting tolerant and brainwashed us over years into a certain way of thinking whilst giving seemingly free rein for immigrants or refugees...but why?

Ok, i agree with you here. So why not punish the politicians who sold you out? Why punish innocent people?

originally posted by: Woodcarver
a reply to: Freeborn

The thing is, its almost the unanimous consensus of everyone I've spoke to recently that this is exactly what we want to see the government propose to do.

And how many people have you spoken too? Cause i do not agree. And that is at least 1.

Well i agree, deport the families back. Now your "1" is negated with my "1". and If you have been reading the replies on this thread, it seems a lot more are in favor of this idea. Soooo, you are out numbered and others have spoken.

originally posted by: RazorV66

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: Woodcarver

Why would you wish this on people who are not doing anything?

The thing is, its almost the unanimous consensus of everyone I've spoke to recently that this is exactly what we want to see the government propose to do.
We've simply had enough.
Yes we cry after every attack.
Yes we respect every minutes silence and express our outrage.

But who actually suggests something like a real and tangible solution or approach that may see an end to these horrific acts?
No-one!

We want our political and community leaders to stand up and shout out what millions of us are thinking and saying to each other right now.

And whether its politically correct or not the truth is the Muslim communities have NOT done enough to slay the wolf that is within its midst.

This man has hit every single nail on the head and needs commending.

If Muslims decide to stand up for what is right then I will be the first person to support them and offer them every bit of assistance possible, but they have to stand up for themselves and take action against the extremists and not to cow down to intimidation or succumb to indoctrinated belief in religious loyalty.

Every person suspected of having extremist sympathies should put on a plane and dumped in some ISIS infested area.

When the world whinges on about human rights etc they should be told to bugger off, this is OUR country governed by OUR rules and we the British people of all races and creeds will not allow these pieces of #e to remain in our midst any longer.

So if we exile all of the relatives of the terrorist in question, will that prevent the next attack? Will it prevent all attacks? I would doubt it.

Maybe....maybe not.
But it would send a clear message that the civilized world will no longer tolerate innocent lives being slaughtered.
Other radical solutions will be needed for it to work.

So, you propose to punish innocent people for the crimes of their families? Are you an innocent person? Do you have any criminals in your family? Should you be exiled too?

a reply to: ScepticScot

Yes, its unsavoury to say the least my friend....but enough really is enough.

If something like this doesn't happen soon then we really aren't far away from people rising up and taking it upon themselves to 'sort things' out.

They need weeding out, and very quickly - no-one wants to see a whole religion persecuted to the extreme, we all know how that ends up.

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: RazorV66

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: Woodcarver

Why would you wish this on people who are not doing anything?

The thing is, its almost the unanimous consensus of everyone I've spoke to recently that this is exactly what we want to see the government propose to do.
We've simply had enough.
Yes we cry after every attack.
Yes we respect every minutes silence and express our outrage.

But who actually suggests something like a real and tangible solution or approach that may see an end to these horrific acts?
No-one!

We want our political and community leaders to stand up and shout out what millions of us are thinking and saying to each other right now.

And whether its politically correct or not the truth is the Muslim communities have NOT done enough to slay the wolf that is within its midst.

This man has hit every single nail on the head and needs commending.

If Muslims decide to stand up for what is right then I will be the first person to support them and offer them every bit of assistance possible, but they have to stand up for themselves and take action against the extremists and not to cow down to intimidation or succumb to indoctrinated belief in religious loyalty.

Every person suspected of having extremist sympathies should put on a plane and dumped in some ISIS infested area.

When the world whinges on about human rights etc they should be told to bugger off, this is OUR country governed by OUR rules and we the British people of all races and creeds will not allow these pieces of #e to remain in our midst any longer.

So if we exile all of the relatives of the terrorist in question, will that prevent the next attack? Will it prevent all attacks? I would doubt it.

Maybe....maybe not.
But it would send a clear message that the civilized world will no longer tolerate innocent lives being slaughtered.
Other radical solutions will be needed for it to work.

So, you propose to punish innocent people for the crimes of their families? Are you an innocent person? Do you have any criminals in your family? Should you be exiled too?

You seem to forget a reply made by the OP that It if Very Likely that the Whole Family Knew of the Actions of the radical pig....conspirators to a crime should be held accountable for.

a reply to: ScepticScot

He feels that way and that is his right. He's addressing fellow Muslims so therefore by today's standards he can't be racist. He above all should know how the mind of Muslims works their beliefs etc if he feels the only way to deal with the child rapists is to threaten deportation then sorry but I believe him. I believe child rapists traffickers etc should be castrated. Does that too make me a bad person? I also believe if any member of their family knew what was going on they too should face jail time. If I knew my son was making a bomb and said nothing I am just as guilty as he is

There will be people supporting him, people are reaching breaking point and there appears to be no other solution and Governments aren't providing any comfort, no-one seems to have a plan. Its being allowed to continue and we don't know why

a reply to: Freeborn

Sorry but no. There really isn't a point when collective punishment is ok. Not now, not ever.

originally posted by: SirKonstantin

originally posted by: Woodcarver
a reply to: Freeborn

The thing is, its almost the unanimous consensus of everyone I've spoke to recently that this is exactly what we want to see the government propose to do.

And how many people have you spoken too? Cause i do not agree. And that is at least 1.

Well i agree, deport the families back. Now your "1" is negated with my "1". and If you have been reading the replies on this thread, it seems a lot more are in favor of this idea. Soooo, you are out numbered and others have spoken.

Do you at least agree with my point that exiling people for the crimes of their children is contrary to all of western law?

a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

Well a Muslim addressing other Muslims obviously can still be racist.

In this case he's not racist just an idiot.

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: RazorV66

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: Woodcarver

Why would you wish this on people who are not doing anything?

The thing is, its almost the unanimous consensus of everyone I've spoke to recently that this is exactly what we want to see the government propose to do.
We've simply had enough.
Yes we cry after every attack.
Yes we respect every minutes silence and express our outrage.

But who actually suggests something like a real and tangible solution or approach that may see an end to these horrific acts?
No-one!

We want our political and community leaders to stand up and shout out what millions of us are thinking and saying to each other right now.

And whether its politically correct or not the truth is the Muslim communities have NOT done enough to slay the wolf that is within its midst.

This man has hit every single nail on the head and needs commending.

If Muslims decide to stand up for what is right then I will be the first person to support them and offer them every bit of assistance possible, but they have to stand up for themselves and take action against the extremists and not to cow down to intimidation or succumb to indoctrinated belief in religious loyalty.

Every person suspected of having extremist sympathies should put on a plane and dumped in some ISIS infested area.

When the world whinges on about human rights etc they should be told to bugger off, this is OUR country governed by OUR rules and we the British people of all races and creeds will not allow these pieces of #e to remain in our midst any longer.

So if we exile all of the relatives of the terrorist in question, will that prevent the next attack? Will it prevent all attacks? I would doubt it.

Maybe....maybe not.
But it would send a clear message that the civilized world will no longer tolerate innocent lives being slaughtered.
Other radical solutions will be needed for it to work.

So, you propose to punish innocent people for the crimes of their families? Are you an innocent person? Do you have any criminals in your family? Should you be exiled too?

What would your solution be?
What will stop the killing of innocent people?

originally posted by: SirKonstantin

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: RazorV66

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: Woodcarver

Why would you wish this on people who are not doing anything?

The thing is, its almost the unanimous consensus of everyone I've spoke to recently that this is exactly what we want to see the government propose to do.
We've simply had enough.
Yes we cry after every attack.
Yes we respect every minutes silence and express our outrage.

But who actually suggests something like a real and tangible solution or approach that may see an end to these horrific acts?
No-one!

We want our political and community leaders to stand up and shout out what millions of us are thinking and saying to each other right now.

And whether its politically correct or not the truth is the Muslim communities have NOT done enough to slay the wolf that is within its midst.

This man has hit every single nail on the head and needs commending.

If Muslims decide to stand up for what is right then I will be the first person to support them and offer them every bit of assistance possible, but they have to stand up for themselves and take action against the extremists and not to cow down to intimidation or succumb to indoctrinated belief in religious loyalty.

Every person suspected of having extremist sympathies should put on a plane and dumped in some ISIS infested area.

When the world whinges on about human rights etc they should be told to bugger off, this is OUR country governed by OUR rules and we the British people of all races and creeds will not allow these pieces of #e to remain in our midst any longer.

So if we exile all of the relatives of the terrorist in question, will that prevent the next attack? Will it prevent all attacks? I would doubt it.

Maybe....maybe not.
But it would send a clear message that the civilized world will no longer tolerate innocent lives being slaughtered.
Other radical solutions will be needed for it to work.

So, you propose to punish innocent people for the crimes of their families? Are you an innocent person? Do you have any criminals in your family? Should you be exiled too?

You seem to forget a reply made by the OP that It if Very Likely that the Whole Family Knew of the Actions of the radical pig....conspirators to a crime should be held accountable for.

If they did in fact know of the crime then yes, they are culpable as well. But this is not proven in this case and i'm sure you also noticed in this case that the authorities were warned about this guy at least on 5 seperate occasions. So don't mince my words. I am opposed to punishing innocent people.

a reply to: Woodcarver

If one of my family members decided to blow themselves up at a pop concert to kill a load of innocent kids and i had an idea they may have been headed that way or that i could of prevented it somehow then i'm as guilty as they are and yeah i would be first inline to accept that punishment...its extreme but we are in extreme times and a deterrent like this maybe the only way to nip this madness in the ass... i feel the other option is a public uprising and believe me that will effect way more innocents than deporting potentially sympathetic family members of terror cowards.

a reply to: SirKonstantin

The father & mother of the bomber were "radicals" regardless of the fact they lived here in the UK. The sister has now spoken out on facebook and some media outlets asking people not to blame the older brother who was recently arrested. She admitted she probably knew he wanted revenge for "killing of children in Syria". The bombers father was a member of Al Queda linked Libyan Islamic Fighting Group which was banned in the UK in 2005. The family fled to Saudi and were/are hardline Salafi Muslims.

Don't tell me no-one in the family knew anything.....seems they were all involved to some extent

a reply to: ScepticScot

Obviously you're entitled to your opinion have no qualms with that but I seriously doubt this man is an idiot

Like us he's angry and perhaps that's why he took the post down and closed his facebook account. I don't know but I can't imagine it bodes well for his legal career

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: SirKonstantin

originally posted by: Woodcarver
a reply to: Freeborn

The thing is, its almost the unanimous consensus of everyone I've spoke to recently that this is exactly what we want to see the government propose to do.

And how many people have you spoken too? Cause i do not agree. And that is at least 1.

Well i agree, deport the families back. Now your "1" is negated with my "1". and If you have been reading the replies on this thread, it seems a lot more are in favor of this idea. Soooo, you are out numbered and others have spoken.

Do you at least agree with my point that exiling people for the crimes of their children is contrary to all of western law?

I can understand your viewpoint, Yes.
Now if we remove the child from the problem, hopefully the mother will raise the child to be a better human being...unless she too is radicalized.

Do you understand ours/mine?

originally posted by: RazorV66

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: RazorV66

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: Woodcarver

Why would you wish this on people who are not doing anything?

The thing is, its almost the unanimous consensus of everyone I've spoke to recently that this is exactly what we want to see the government propose to do.
We've simply had enough.
Yes we cry after every attack.
Yes we respect every minutes silence and express our outrage.

But who actually suggests something like a real and tangible solution or approach that may see an end to these horrific acts?
No-one!

We want our political and community leaders to stand up and shout out what millions of us are thinking and saying to each other right now.

And whether its politically correct or not the truth is the Muslim communities have NOT done enough to slay the wolf that is within its midst.

This man has hit every single nail on the head and needs commending.

If Muslims decide to stand up for what is right then I will be the first person to support them and offer them every bit of assistance possible, but they have to stand up for themselves and take action against the extremists and not to cow down to intimidation or succumb to indoctrinated belief in religious loyalty.

Every person suspected of having extremist sympathies should put on a plane and dumped in some ISIS infested area.

When the world whinges on about human rights etc they should be told to bugger off, this is OUR country governed by OUR rules and we the British people of all races and creeds will not allow these pieces of #e to remain in our midst any longer.

So if we exile all of the relatives of the terrorist in question, will that prevent the next attack? Will it prevent all attacks? I would doubt it.

Maybe....maybe not.
But it would send a clear message that the civilized world will no longer tolerate innocent lives being slaughtered.
Other radical solutions will be needed for it to work.

So, you propose to punish innocent people for the crimes of their families? Are you an innocent person? Do you have any criminals in your family? Should you be exiled too?

What would your solution be?
What will stop the killing of innocent people?

Nothing can prevent crazy people from harming others. But it can probably be minimized by educating the people of the world beyond their stone age religions and their partisan politics. The problem with people like this terrorist is that they have bad ideas. You quelch bad ideas with better ideas and better opportunities.

originally posted by: PhyllidaDavenport
a reply to: SirKonstantin

The father & mother of the bomber were "radicals" regardless of the fact they lived here in the UK. The sister has now spoken out on facebook and some media outlets asking people not to blame the older brother who was recently arrested. She admitted she probably knew he wanted revenge for "killing of children in Syria". The bombers father was a member of Al Queda linked Libyan Islamic Fighting Group which was banned in the UK in 2005. The family fled to Saudi and were/are hardline Salafi Muslims.

Don't tell me no-one in the family knew anything.....seems they were all involved to some extent

I was agreeing with you. Sorry if i made a confusion there.

originally posted by: nickovthenorth
a reply to: Woodcarver

If one of my family members decided to blow themselves up at a pop concert to kill a load of innocent kids and i had an idea they may have been headed that way or that i could of prevented it somehow then i'm as guilty as they are and yeah i would be first inline to accept that punishment...its extreme but we are in extreme times and a deterrent like this maybe the only way to nip this madness in the ass... i feel the other option is a public uprising and believe me that will effect way more innocents than deporting potentially sympathetic family members of terror cowards.

Your answer is to flush law down the toilet.

The problem is that the politicians wanted this to happen. They want you, to want the laws removed.

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: Dr UAE
a reply to: Woodcarver

i fully agree with him, that will make the terrorists think twice before killing innocent people, they should make an example of each and every family who breeds like rabbits and doesn't raise their kids in a proper way, those parents should teach their children how to love and serve the country that hosted them, they should tell their children right from the start that they should love the country that offered them a house, education, safety and jobs, that will make the terrorists think twice before killing innocent people.

and by the way i know a country that used to demolish houses because someone from those houses committed a crime with or without a evidence.

By punishing more innocent people?

How far back would we need to look into your family history before we found a criminal?

the parents aren't innocent, they fully know their children, and if they cant raise children then they should not reproduce, and my family's history is irrelevant in this topic.

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: SirKonstantin

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: RazorV66

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: Woodcarver

Why would you wish this on people who are not doing anything?

The thing is, its almost the unanimous consensus of everyone I've spoke to recently that this is exactly what we want to see the government propose to do.
We've simply had enough.
Yes we cry after every attack.
Yes we respect every minutes silence and express our outrage.

But who actually suggests something like a real and tangible solution or approach that may see an end to these horrific acts?
No-one!

We want our political and community leaders to stand up and shout out what millions of us are thinking and saying to each other right now.

And whether its politically correct or not the truth is the Muslim communities have NOT done enough to slay the wolf that is within its midst.

This man has hit every single nail on the head and needs commending.

If Muslims decide to stand up for what is right then I will be the first person to support them and offer them every bit of assistance possible, but they have to stand up for themselves and take action against the extremists and not to cow down to intimidation or succumb to indoctrinated belief in religious loyalty.

Every person suspected of having extremist sympathies should put on a plane and dumped in some ISIS infested area.

When the world whinges on about human rights etc they should be told to bugger off, this is OUR country governed by OUR rules and we the British people of all races and creeds will not allow these pieces of #e to remain in our midst any longer.

So if we exile all of the relatives of the terrorist in question, will that prevent the next attack? Will it prevent all attacks? I would doubt it.

Maybe....maybe not.
But it would send a clear message that the civilized world will no longer tolerate innocent lives being slaughtered.
Other radical solutions will be needed for it to work.

So, you propose to punish innocent people for the crimes of their families? Are you an innocent person? Do you have any criminals in your family? Should you be exiled too?

You seem to forget a reply made by the OP that It if Very Likely that the Whole Family Knew of the Actions of the radical pig....conspirators to a crime should be held accountable for.

If they did in fact know of the crime then yes, they are culpable as well. But this is not proven in this case and i'm sure you also noticed in this case that the authorities were warned about this guy at least on 5 seperate occasions. So don't mince my words. I am opposed to punishing innocent people.

Ok so you are opposed to punishing innocent people.....so am I.
But in your haste to worry about those innocent people, what about the innocent people that were blown up at the concert in Manchester the other night?
Where is your worry and concern for them and their families that have been turned upside down?
The bottom line is - we know who is committing these acts...it is one certain group of people and until we can determine who in that certain group of people are innocent and who are on the extreme side of it, some type of movement control is needed.
Again....I don't know the solution myself but nothing is working now.