Muslim Solicitor Speaks Out & Tells Muslims Things Must Change

a reply to: Woodcarver

Why would you wish this on people who are not doing anything?

The thing is, its almost the unanimous consensus of everyone I've spoke to recently that this is exactly what we want to see the government propose to do.
We've simply had enough.
Yes we cry after every attack.
Yes we respect every minutes silence and express our outrage.

But who actually suggests something like a real and tangible solution or approach that may see an end to these horrific acts?
No-one!

We want our political and community leaders to stand up and shout out what millions of us are thinking and saying to each other right now.

And whether its politically correct or not the truth is the Muslim communities have NOT done enough to slay the wolf that is within its midst.

This man has hit every single nail on the head and needs commending.

If Muslims decide to stand up for what is right then I will be the first person to support them and offer them every bit of assistance possible, but they have to stand up for themselves and take action against the extremists and not to cow down to intimidation or succumb to indoctrinated belief in religious loyalty.

Every person suspected of having extremist sympathies should put on a plane and dumped in some ISIS infested area.

When the world whinges on about human rights etc they should be told to bugger off, this is OUR country governed by OUR rules and we the British people of all races and creeds will not allow these pieces of #e to remain in our midst any longer.

a reply to: SirKonstantin

I understand the anger...I've felt it many times myself. My own daughter was attacked and raped years ago by a lovely group of misunderstood Pakistani teens in Bradford, so for years try as I might, I have disliked (not hated) mistrusted and generally wished ill upon them all. But I doubt very much I could carry out such punishment on an entire family. My son and I were talking about this last night, he's furious and angry (one of his friends and daughter were at the concert..no injuries alive and well) and he said the only solution is the genocide of every Muslim until the ideology is wiped out. I was severely shocked and a bit lost for words, however, he said there was no way he could or would do it. How many other people are thinking the same way? There are Muslims now who are pretty damn terrified of a backlash and of course the difficulty is that they are so identifiable as the refuse to wear even the most modest of Western clothing they stand out, unlike most Sikhs Hindus Chinese Vietnamese etc. In a way they have made themselves targets by specifically standing out and not blending and integrating.

Perhaps one overhaul would be NOT wearing your ex countrys' national dress, which by the way was designed for extremely hot weather not the temperatures of Britain! Even the most stupid thick idiotic racists can spot a Muslim a mile off due to their dress. Humans can't stand different its that simple....and this is coming from an ex goth who was regularly abused and picked on for being exactly that. By not accepting our culture and the benefits of living here and leaving their religion at home and in the Mosques they have made a rod for their own back, but trying to remove hundreds of years of indoctrination will be like flogging a dead horse

originally posted by: PhyllidaDavenport
a reply to: Woodcarver

The only msm it made it to was his own personal facebook page

"Eaten by pigs" is a common slur or curse in Islam I'm pretty certain this intelligent well spoken well educated man wasn't advocating punishment North Korea style

I see nothing extreme or irrational that I haven't seen in a zillion other posts on here and elsewhere, the only difference is that this is coming from an actual Muslim to his own community

We should also consider that anyone whether brown black white or blue who says they are standing up and speaking out against radical Islam should NOT be considered racist. It has zero to do with skin colour and EVERYTHING to do with a rotten medieval ideology and belief system that is in need of a 21st century overhaul.

Why is there always 1 that's never happy no matter what is said and happy to find the negative?

i found the negative pretty easy just by reading his own words. I am an atheist so i think all the abrahamic religions are equally morally bereft. But he Is advocating that innocent relatives be punished by death or exile. Which is not the type of rhetoric that a civilised society would want supported. I'm sure he is angry and scared of the ramifications of these terrorists actions, but calling for punishment of people who are not involved in the crime is pretty extreme don't you think?

Outstanding!!
I am sure Facebook took down it down, it doesn't fit their narrative.
This guy is putting his life on the line by writing something like that, the extremists will probably go after him next.

Radical problems require radical solutions....basically unheard of solutions are needed to combat Muslim extremism.
The solutions that are needed and required would push the boundaries of political correctness far past what is acceptable in this day and age of not hurting people's feelings at any cost, even at the cost of losing lives to these maniacal extremists.
Everyone knows who the culprits are here but are they willing to do what is necessary to stop the killing of innocent men, women and children?
Sadly, no.....and we will continue to lose innocent lives until we get some world leader with big enough balls to stand up and say enough is enough.
The world is at war with Muslim extremist terrorism, they declared war on the Western world years ago and the Western world keeps taking it on the chin.

a reply to: Woodcarver

Nope I do not
You cannot in all honesty tell me that parents sisters brothers etc of these bombers didn't have a clue as to their siblings/sons intentions? Beliefs?

Perhaps just the threat of internment would prevent this kind of action? Perhaps it would make relatives Imams etc more vigilant.

Seemed to work for the US when they did exactly that to the Japanese Americans during WW2. Harsh times call for harsh measures but I think as far as tolerance patience understanding etc go we've done more than enough now as Mr Khan says its down to the Muslim communities themselves to ask the hard questions

originally posted by: PhyllidaDavenport
a reply to: SirKonstantin

I understand the anger...I've felt it many times myself. My own daughter was attacked and raped years ago by a lovely group of misunderstood Pakistani teens in Bradford, so for years try as I might, I have disliked (not hated) mistrusted and generally wished ill upon them all. But I doubt very much I could carry out such punishment on an entire family. My son and I were talking about this last night, he's furious and angry (one of his friends and daughter were at the concert..no injuries alive and well) and he said the only solution is the genocide of every Muslim until the ideology is wiped out. I was severely shocked and a bit lost for words, however, he said there was no way he could or would do it. How many other people are thinking the same way? There are Muslims now who are pretty damn terrified of a backlash and of course the difficulty is that they are so identifiable as the refuse to wear even the most modest of Western clothing they stand out, unlike most Sikhs Hindus Chinese Vietnamese etc. In a way they have made themselves targets by specifically standing out and not blending and integrating.

Perhaps one overhaul would be NOT wearing your ex countrys' national dress, which by the way was designed for extremely hot weather not the temperatures of Britain! Even the most stupid thick idiotic racists can spot a Muslim a mile off due to their dress. Humans can't stand different its that simple....and this is coming from an ex goth who was regularly abused and picked on for being exactly that. By not accepting our culture and the benefits of living here and leaving their religion at home and in the Mosques they have made a rod for their own back, but trying to remove hundreds of years of indoctrination will be like flogging a dead horse

It's just frustrating that nothing significant has been done. Times are changing quicker than most would like. It just seems like their culture isn't adapting. Like, we accept cultures that are living in the rainforest, we aren't going there and telling them to put on cloths or use a tablet..(gosh i hope not.lol) So these radical muslims need to stop pushing their influences on those who don't want anything to do with it. Killing people who disagree has been going on for the ages. Humanity is reaching a critical turning point in enlightenment, I just know that the night will get darker before the dawn (yeah, i know, stupid reference.lol)

Its bomb, tears, silence, condemn, move on, repeat.

I'm glad your friends weren't hurt. and I totally like the goth style btw.

originally posted by: PhyllidaDavenport
a reply to: Woodcarver

Nope I do not
You cannot in all honesty tell me that parents sisters brothers etc of these bombers didn't have a clue as to their siblings/sons intentions? Beliefs?

Perhaps just the threat of internment would prevent this kind of action? Perhaps it would make relatives Imams etc more vigilant.

Seemed to work for the US when they did exactly that to the Japanese Americans during WW2. Harsh times call for harsh measures but I think as far as tolerance patience understanding etc go we've done more than enough now as Mr Khan says its down to the Muslim communities themselves to ask the hard questions

If i only could give more Stars and Flags to this response.

a reply to: RazorV66

Good post I agree entirely....although I just can't see it happening

Somewhere deep in the undergrowth there is an agenda that we don't know about and probably never will.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: Woodcarver

Why would you wish this on people who are not doing anything?

The thing is, its almost the unanimous consensus of everyone I've spoke to recently that this is exactly what we want to see the government propose to do.
We've simply had enough.
Yes we cry after every attack.
Yes we respect every minutes silence and express our outrage.

But who actually suggests something like a real and tangible solution or approach that may see an end to these horrific acts?
No-one!

We want our political and community leaders to stand up and shout out what millions of us are thinking and saying to each other right now.

And whether its politically correct or not the truth is the Muslim communities have NOT done enough to slay the wolf that is within its midst.

This man has hit every single nail on the head and needs commending.

If Muslims decide to stand up for what is right then I will be the first person to support them and offer them every bit of assistance possible, but they have to stand up for themselves and take action against the extremists and not to cow down to intimidation or succumb to indoctrinated belief in religious loyalty.

Every person suspected of having extremist sympathies should put on a plane and dumped in some ISIS infested area.

When the world whinges on about human rights etc they should be told to bugger off, this is OUR country governed by OUR rules and we the British people of all races and creeds will not allow these pieces of #e to remain in our midst any longer.

So if we exile all of the relatives of the terrorist in question, will that prevent the next attack? Will it prevent all attacks? I would doubt it.

originally posted by: PhyllidaDavenport
a reply to: RazorV66

Good post I agree entirely....although I just can't see it happening

Somewhere deep in the undergrowth there is an agenda that we don't know about and probably never will.

This seems the most likely understanding that we should be discussing. There are undercurrents and motivations which we do not understand.

a reply to: Woodcarver

It would sure as hell send a significant message
What do world leaders do now? Absolutely nothing of any substance except wring their hands and tiptoe around politically correct words and actions. The terrorists know this and laugh all the way to their next target

a reply to: Freeborn

The thing is, its almost the unanimous consensus of everyone I've spoke to recently that this is exactly what we want to see the government propose to do.

And how many people have you spoken too? Cause i do not agree. And that is at least 1.

a reply to: Woodcarver

i fully agree with him, that will make the terrorists think twice before killing innocent people, they should make an example of each and every family who breeds like rabbits and doesn't raise their kids in a proper way, those parents should teach their children how to love and serve the country that hosted them, they should tell their children right from the start that they should love the country that offered them a house, education, safety and jobs, that will make the terrorists think twice before killing innocent people.

and by the way i know a country that used to demolish houses because someone from those houses committed a crime with or without a evidence.

originally posted by: PhyllidaDavenport
a reply to: Woodcarver

It would sure as hell send a significant message
What do world leaders do now? Absolutely nothing of any substance except wring their hands and tiptoe around politically correct words and actions. The terrorists know this and laugh all the way to their next target

That message would be that we are willing to ignore due process and put our entire system of law on hold to appease the irrational hatred that people like you want to use to circumvent the fair treatment of humans who have not broken the law.

Would you want the law circumvented if it put you in prison?

I Can't and do not speak for the whole of my home town but i know many are beginning to openly speak of retribution and if more Muslims like Mr Abdul Sattar Khan don't start to speak out in the Muslim communities to try and nip this in the bud a retribution is what will come and when it does and we in the west decide its time for the gloves to come off...well i'll let history tell that tale.

a reply to: Woodcarver

So if we exile all of the relatives of the terrorist in question, will that prevent the next attack? Will it prevent all attacks? I would doubt it.

I think if we 'exile' all the terrorists of all known and suspected terrorists then it will reduce the risk of future terrorist attacks.

I think if we encourage and support people like Mr Abdul Sattar Khan and what he proposes then it will reduce the risk of future terrorist attacks.

Don't you?

What do you propose we do?

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: Woodcarver

Why would you wish this on people who are not doing anything?

The thing is, its almost the unanimous consensus of everyone I've spoke to recently that this is exactly what we want to see the government propose to do.
We've simply had enough.
Yes we cry after every attack.
Yes we respect every minutes silence and express our outrage.

But who actually suggests something like a real and tangible solution or approach that may see an end to these horrific acts?
No-one!

We want our political and community leaders to stand up and shout out what millions of us are thinking and saying to each other right now.

And whether its politically correct or not the truth is the Muslim communities have NOT done enough to slay the wolf that is within its midst.

This man has hit every single nail on the head and needs commending.

If Muslims decide to stand up for what is right then I will be the first person to support them and offer them every bit of assistance possible, but they have to stand up for themselves and take action against the extremists and not to cow down to intimidation or succumb to indoctrinated belief in religious loyalty.

Every person suspected of having extremist sympathies should put on a plane and dumped in some ISIS infested area.

When the world whinges on about human rights etc they should be told to bugger off, this is OUR country governed by OUR rules and we the British people of all races and creeds will not allow these pieces of #e to remain in our midst any longer.

So if we exile all of the relatives of the terrorist in question, will that prevent the next attack? Will it prevent all attacks? I would doubt it.

Maybe....maybe not.
But it would send a clear message that the civilized world will no longer tolerate innocent lives being slaughtered.
Other radical solutions will be needed for it to work.

originally posted by: Dr UAE
a reply to: Woodcarver

i fully agree with him, that will make the terrorists think twice before killing innocent people, they should make an example of each and every family who breeds like rabbits and doesn't raise their kids in a proper way, those parents should teach their children how to love and serve the country that hosted them, they should tell their children right from the start that they should love the country that offered them a house, education, safety and jobs, that will make the terrorists think twice before killing innocent people.

and by the way i know a country that used to demolish houses because someone from those houses committed a crime with or without a evidence.

By punishing more innocent people?

How far back would we need to look into your family history before we found a criminal?

a reply to: Woodcarver

I've talked about this at length with various people and my son and we cannot see the end result.
Clearly, it must have been known by all those in power that letting in thousands of refugees mainly male from countries they knew had terrorist links & sympathies, was going to cause severe problems. If we on the street knew this then they sure did.

I've discussed the possibility of the one world order and the EU being created for total control of a continent, however, that seems to be crumbling and they could never get sod all done anyway due to all the egos and backbiting. So letting in refugees is even further undermining the one world order agenda and is causing more problems for the beleaguered EU with regular attacks

So alternatively could it be an attempt at Islamification for control of the populace as the EU has failed to do that? Are they expecting people frantically converting to Islam to feel "safe"?

"They" made us accepting tolerant and brainwashed us over years into a certain way of thinking whilst giving seemingly free rein for immigrants or refugees...but why?

a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

The guy is arguing for collective punishment and people here are supporting him. Unbelievable.