Question for 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists

originally posted by: cardinalfan0596
a reply to: Salander

In your opinion they are in the war criminal section. In my opinion, they are politicians...its about 70-30 what comes out of their mouths depending on the topic.

So politicians would all be innocent?!?
Political motives don't excuse someone of a crime, or wrongdoings

a reply to: turbonium1

Annnnd once again Evel Kinevel misses the landing ramp and goes splat. Where did you get "politicians would all be innocent"?

a reply to: cardinalfan0596

He might have got that from your innuendo that you can excuse war criminals for their actions because they are politicians.

You might not have intended it to come across that way, but it did.

a reply to: Salander

I am used to poor reading comprehension from believers in conspiracy theories. But, let's try it this way, none of the politicians listed have been indicted/tried for war crimes, therefore none of them are war criminals.

a reply to: Schmoe1223
The answer is really simple, They DID do it.

originally posted by: Schmoe1223
I posted recently in another 9/11 thread, but I think I caught the tail end of it and didn't get any possible explanations, so I'll try again here.

I basically said I wouldn't put anything past our government, but if they indeed perpetrated 9/11, why wouldn't Osama bin Laden/al-quaida/Taliban have taken that opportunity to really drive home their idea of how evil the west is by simply saying "we didn't do it."

Seems to me their agenda would have been better served denying it than taking credit for it, at the very least they could've sown some discord.

I'm not looking for debates about how buildings should fall when crashed into by planes, I'm simply looking for discussion on what I said above.

Well, for clarity, you might define the call of jihad by Osama? What do you think the call of jihad entails? Who was funding the jihad?

Osama bin Laden’s Declaration of Jihad against Americans
salempress.com...

The Declaration of Jihad on the Americans Occupying the Country of the Two Sacred Places was published in al- Quds al-Arabi, a London-based Arabic newspaper. The pur- pose of the document was to persuade Muslims that the United States is the primary enemy of Muslims, responsi- ble for oppressing them in numerous lands, and that Mus- lims therefore have a duty to wage jihad against America. The declaration blends religious texts with descriptions of overall Muslim suffering and the specific suffering of Mus- lims in Saudi Arabia. In the latter case, the declaration asserts that oppression, corruption, and economic misman- agement are connected to what it calls American military occupation of the heart of the Muslim world. The abridged version of the document reproduced here captures all of the major themes in the original version, which expands on grievances particular to Saudi Arabia and incorporates more citations of classical authorities.

Osama bin Laden’s Declaration of Jihad against Americans
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I remind them of what Gabriel said to the Prophet, after the battle of Ahzab: “When the Messenger of God, prayers and peace be upon him, departed to Medina and laid down his sword, Gabriel came to him and said: ‘You have laid down your sword? By God, the angels have not yet laid down their swords. Get up and go with whoever is with you to the Bani Qorayza, and I will go ahead of you to shake their fortresses and strike fear into them.’
So Gabriel went off, accompanied by his pageant of angels, the Prophet, and his holy warriors and helpers.” This is as it was told by al-Bukhari.
I say to our Muslim brothers across the world: your brothers in Saudi Arabia and Palestine are call- ing for your help and asking you to share with them in the jihad against the enemies of God, your ene- mies the Israelis and Americans. They are asking you to defy them in whatever way you possibly can, so as to expel them in defeat and humiliation from the holy places of Islam. God Almighty has said: “If they seek help from you against persecution, it is your duty to assist them.”
Cavalry of Islam, be mounted! This is a difficult time, so you yourselves must be tough. You should know that your coming-together and cooperation in order to liberate the holy places of Islam is the right step towards unification of the word of our umma under the banner of God’s unity. At this point we can only raise our palms humbly to ask God Almighty to provide good fortune and success in this matter.
Lord, bless your slave and messenger Muham- mad, and his family and companions. Our final prayer is praise to God, Lord of the worlds.
Your brother in Islam,
Osama bin Muhammad bin Laden

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: cardinalfan0596

He might have got that from your innuendo that you can excuse war criminals for their actions because they are politicians.

You might not have intended it to come across that way, but it did.

You're right on that.

Improved writing skills would help in making arguments. Even the people who don't believe there are conspiracies. Or in any conspiracies the media wouldn't tell the world about.

originally posted by: cardinalfan0596
a reply to: Salander

I am used to poor reading comprehension from believers in conspiracy theories. But, let's try it this way, none of the politicians listed have been indicted/tried for war crimes, therefore none of them are war criminals.

If you'd written it as intended, in the first place, you wouldn't have tried to excuse it on 'conspiracists'.

Anyway, now that your point is made clear...



You are defining a war criminal as someone who has been indicted/tried/found guilty of war crimes.

That part is true.

However, a war criminal is actually anyone who commits a war crime. Whether or not they are actually indicted/tried/found guilty of the crimes in a court of law, they are still war criminals.

If you murder someone, but you never charged/found guilty of murder in a court of law, you are still, indeed, a murderer.


So now - do you believe any/all of them have committed war crimes, or do you believe they are all completely innocent in this?

a reply to: turbonium1

And now you get into semantics. Who decides what a war crime is? Is it tree huggers who think using anything other than a baseball bat is a war crime? No actions taken by those politicians listed, fit the current "accepted" definitions of war crimes.


And yes, I guess I should have made it two separate paragraphs, I see where I confused you earlier.

The first sentence was in response to the statement that they were in the war criminal section.

The second sentence, was in response to the statement that I believed everything that came out of their mouths. Which I said, its about 70-30 depending on the subject. I guess anyone reading it, who failed to read the post that I was responding to, could get confused.

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: cardinalfan0596

He might have got that from your innuendo that you can excuse war criminals for their actions because they are politicians.

You might not have intended it to come across that way, but it did.

You're right on that.

Improved writing skills would help in making arguments. Even the people who don't believe there are conspiracies. Or in any conspiracies the media wouldn't tell the world about.

Since we are using English here in our communications, we are all conspiracy theorists. If one believes the official story, one believes the official conspiracy theory. If one cannot believe the official story, one is said to believe in another conspiracy theory?

Which conspiracy theory is true? The official one regarding 19 arabs with box cutters etc, or another related to inside job status?

a reply to: Schmoe1223

Then again maybe I just have a horrendous memory with specific dates years old. If someone asked me what exact day my plane landed in Florida for vacation 3 years ago, I'd look at them like they had 4 heads.

is that a reasonable comparison?

Lest add that your Brother/father/Cousin/whatever just pulled of one hell of a terrorist attack that killed 1000s of people.

You don't think that your life around that time will be , to use your words, "Something incredibly important in your life"?

What day did you graduate high school? That's a significant moment in anyone's life, yet I bet the vast majority couldn't just spit out the exact date without thinking about it.

Have you even finished high school?

These comparisons seem like they though out by a grade schooler.

Better yet, how about the first time my daughter said "I love you." Happiest moment of my life, but there's not a chance I could tell you exactly what day it was, I was happy in the moment, not thinking about what day it was, sort of like this half brother arriving in Geneva to see his family safe.

these comparisons are just getting better and better.


9/11 a date that is embedded into just everyone's minds in the world today doesn't compare to your daughter saying she loves you.

Not sure how anyone could compare the 2.

The day your daughter said she loved you for the first time, was there new broadcast of this event world wide 24 hours a day for at least 7 days?

Did your daughter telling you she loved you tragically end the lives of 1000s of people and effectively cause distress for millions more, which eventually lead to war and the deaths of many more people?


Please just stop embarrassing yourself.

Something incredibly important in your life, yes, like the day your children are born, wedding anniversary, dates that are pounded into your head every year.

And the date of 9/11 isn't pounded into every bodies head every year?

It would hard to remember events occurring around this period especially when you are involved in such a way?

Donald Rumsfield planned it with other people of power. Remote viewing exposed him years ago. There was teams involved planting bombs just after the twin tower attacks and cruise missile painted like plane was used to strike the Pentagon.

Rumsfield has had different roles at the White House advising 4 or 5 presidents. He's the guy in charge advising the President and telling him has to do this or else. He's the real 'cigarette' man from x files.

a reply to: Jacobu12

Remote viewing exposed him years ago. There was teams involved planting bombs just after the twin tower attacks and cruise missile painted like plane was used to strike the Pentagon.

So sad you believe this kind of crap.

a reply to: Jacobu12

" teams involved planting bombs just after the twin tower attacks"

Planting bombs just after the attacks? So....trucks just showed up at the Towers loading docks and crews started moving bombs into the buildings and managed to carry them all the way up to the impact zones with no one noticing?

a reply to: cardinalfan0596

While the buildings were on fire, and everyone was going down the stairs. The jet impacts cut the elevator cables or flaming jet fuel ran down the shafts. Miles of wiring ran through burning buildings?

This "they could do it on the A Team Hollywood" crap has to stop......

originally posted by: cardinalfan0596
a reply to: Jacobu12

" teams involved planting bombs just after the twin tower attacks"

Planting bombs just after the attacks? So....trucks just showed up at the Towers loading docks and crews started moving bombs into the buildings and managed to carry them all the way up to the impact zones with no one noticing?

They had nearly 1.5 to 2 hours to plant 1 or more bombs. The first tower was hit 8.46 and did not collapse till 10.28. The best time to plant explosives is when the security is lax and there is panic inside the building,. And this team could be already inside the buildings just before the attack waiting for the order to go?

originally posted by: Jacobu12

originally posted by: cardinalfan0596
a reply to: Jacobu12

" teams involved planting bombs just after the twin tower attacks"

Planting bombs just after the attacks? So....trucks just showed up at the Towers loading docks and crews started moving bombs into the buildings and managed to carry them all the way up to the impact zones with no one noticing?

They had nearly 1.5 to 2 hours to plant 1 or more bombs. The first tower was hit 8.46 and did not collapse till 10.28. The best time to plant explosives is when the security is lax and there is panic inside the building,. And this team could be already inside the buildings just before the attack waiting for the order to go?

Planting bombs on damaged and burning floors? Impressive work!

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: cardinalfan0596

While the buildings were on fire, and everyone was going down the stairs. The jet impacts cut the elevator cables or flaming jet fuel ran down the shafts. Miles of wiring ran through burning buildings?

This "they could do it on the A Team Hollywood" crap has to stop......

Only a few floors trapped people and they could not get out. Lot more people got out safely. Remote viewers see the device that took down the tower was a military grade bomb not demolitions. A team of trained men planted it just after the planes hit. Kind of does make sense if you think about it!

What if the plane crashed just after takeoff or missed the target? Risky planting bombs before the plane crashed!

Bin laden denied it soon after 9/11. After that came amid the flood of disinformation, fake Bin Laden tapes a la CIA, and a media narrative parroting the false notion that Bin Laden -no room for doubt- did it.