Gay Genes, Religous implications ?

And I admitted nothing BTW.
I said in the beginning all that was shown was a statistical correlation. I also advanced a hypothesis as to why it may be.
I dont know why some people go gay. Nor do I have to. I know its a sin.
If knowing its a sin isn't enough for you to call it a sin then thats between you and god.
His word is good enough for me.

Originally posted by mwm1331
and how is that a contradiction?

It's the difference between being born gay, and becoming gay in your life. If you do not understand the difference you may need some therapy yourself.

You dont think childhood trauma damages the brain?

No childhood trauma does not physically damage the brains.

Also i must point out that neither article is conclusive nor do the articles themselves show nything other than a statistical correlation. In other words it might be nothing.

It might be nothing? That's the stupidest thing I have heard in a while. These scientists spend years researching the effect of diet pills on unborn babies, and then when they discover a very surprising and clear correlation you say that it might be nothing?
Get real.

But yes I believe gays have some form of brain damage or pshycological disorder.

There is a difference.

However that is irrelevant.

Ah so when someone comes to you for help you don't care wether therapy will help?
This is the most relevant thing to find out.

God said it is wrong.
Its not my place to agree or disagree.
he decided.
It wouldnt matter if I didn't see anything wrong with it he does

I was not talking about GAY SEX.
I was talking about PEOPLE WHO ARE BORN GAY.
Aw you're awefull.
Horrible to talk to.

You may want to read our posts in the right order and maybe edit some of your post, this discussion is making less sense with every reply you give.

Originally posted by IBM
Jakko, the only way you can prove a baby is born gay is to ask it while an infant not to wait till speaking age or when they are old enough to think logically, thier answers must be indicative of physical desires. So there is really no way to prove that an infant was born gay, and the fact is that they are not born gay.

IBM, just read the freaking articles about it and stop making a fool out of yourself. It's getting old.

Well heres the thing jakko I don't belive people are born gay

Then let me make it clear enough for even you to understand jakko.
1) God says homsexulity is a sin
2) The article re the medication shows that a statisical correlation suggesting an increased percentage of mothers on the drug who have lesban children as compared to mothers not on the drug.
however as the homosexuality of that offspring does not come to light untill 13 or so years after they were born it is not conclusive.
It could be that the drug causes brain damage in the embryo.
It could be that those mothers have something in common other than the drug which influenced thier children.
It could be that the drug simply made thier psyche's more vulnerable to abuse.
However neither article shows any concrete evidence that anyone is "born Gay"
The simple fact is if I cite a study showing that a mjority of Prisoners for federal violent crimes are americans of african descent it does not prove that americans of african descent are born crminals does it?

Originally posted by mwm1331
Well heres the thing jakko I don't belive people are born gay

You admitted that you believed it before.
But ok let's say you change your opinion back and forth a few times a day...
And now you don't think they are born gay anymore.

Does this mean the pill research means nothing?
Does this mean the sheep researchmeans nothing as well?

If the answer is yes, then you are officially ignorant.
Not only wrong, but also longing to stay wrong no matter what the evidence suggests.

The very defenition of ignorance is you.

Congrats, you lost yet another argument with your "I don't actually think myself, God does it for me and f*ck yourself if you don't like it" attitude.
The sad truth is that God did want you to think yourself. ;+/

No k\jakko I did not say before that I thought people were born gay what I said was

1) so its saying that taking that drug seems to correlate to a stastistical rise in homosexual offspring. Smoking crack when your pregnant seems to correlate to a statistical rise in crack head offspring.
Awnser to both, Brain damage.
2) Shows that gays do in fact have abnormal brain structures thus implying homosexuality is a birth defect. So what so is being born deaf, thats why we invented hearing aids.

You do I hope understand the meaning of the word "implying"
As in "the wet floor implied that someone had been in the shower recently"

edited to insert handy bolding for literary challegened members.

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You're a joke.
Just stop posting in these topics ok, it's really not to be taken serious anymore.

Not only do you switch position several times in the discussion, all of your comparisons make no sense, you try to justify your previous ignorance, you ignore links with scientific proof.

You are the horror of any ATSer to talk to.

Civility people, civility.
Just a heads-up.

New Genetics Study Undermines Gay Gene Theory




seekerof

[edit on 10-2-2005 by Seekerof]

Show me where I switched postions. kay.
You misunderstood what I wrote.

Originally posted by Seekerof
New Genetics Study Undermines Gay Gene Theory

[edit on 10-2-2005 by Seekerof]

Yeha I came across that one too.
Even though it's an interesting link, I kinda allready expected this.
Being gay is not genetic, it's biological.

The hormone imbalance that leads to an embryo becoming gay, has nothing to do with genes or DNA, and can not be passed on through DNA either.
It's something going wrong in the pregnancy, just like what the pill research suggests.

Originally posted by mwm1331
Show me where I switched postions. kay.
You misunderstood what I wrote.

Yeah everyone misunderstood what you wrote, except you of course.
In fact, everyone is wrong except you.
Does that make you happy?

I hope so, if not what will make you stop posting in this thread?
Or do I have to ignore you?

Originally posted by Jakko

Originally posted by IBM
Jakko, the only way you can prove a baby is born gay is to ask it while an infant not to wait till speaking age or when they are old enough to think logically, thier answers must be indicative of physical desires. So there is really no way to prove that an infant was born gay, and the fact is that they are not born gay.

IBM, just read the freaking articles about it and stop making a fool out of yourself. It's getting old.

You have showed me the articles and they are just opinions not scientific fact. Believe me if it was there will be many many scientists trying to replicate the results.

Originally posted by IBM
You have showed me the articles and they are just opinions not scientific fact. Believe me if it was there will be many many scientists trying to replicate the results.

This is not an opinion IBM.
www.timesonline.co.uk...

Originally posted by IBM
Jakko, the only way you can prove a baby is born gay is to ask it while an infant not to wait till speaking age or when they are old enough to think logically, thier answers must be indicative of physical desires. So there is really no way to prove that an infant was born gay, and the fact is that they are not born gay.

IBM....let me ask you this. Have you ever asked an infant if it was straight? You're being absurd. Sexuality isn't realized at birth...it takes a couple years (that doesn't mean that you can't be born one way or the other). I believe it is both genetic and environmental.

I am very masculine....I played just like other boys (trucks, cars, baseball, football etc.) I was never treated like I was gay. So, how was it that I would end up gay if it wasn't already a part of me when I was born or early in my life? And NO, I wasn't abused as a child either. By the way, 98% (don't have a link.....something I heard and am not saying it is fact until proven) of all pedophiles are heterosexual. So, the theory that all gay people were made gay from a gay pedophile is absolute rubbish.

Oh, also want to note that LadyV is getting an above award from me because she has more insight and intellegence than most of you morons put together (you know who I'm refering to).

...I will now add to my ignore list and make you # three. There are certain types of people that I will not associate myself with in real life and I see no reason to subject myself to them on a BB either....

I see,,, you can dish it but can't take it Ladyv? If you cannot deal with someone having a different opinion then perhaps you should not post on here anymore. You obviously can't deal with people having a different opinion and it pisses you off. Go ahead, ignore all of us except your flower worshiping, encantation chanting same sex loving friends, and all the other immorals on here. Do you really think it offends anyone if you ignore them? What are you,,,, in third grade or something. My last 20 or so posts have been relatively calm and peaceful, but you keep crossing the line and calling names and making false assumptions. Please ignore me from now on,,,, because I no longer have pleasant things to say to you.

It's the difference between being born gay, and becoming gay in your life. If you do not understand the difference you may need some therapy yourself

You are the one that needs therapy if you are gay or support gays.

IBM, just read the freaking articles about it and stop making a fool out of yourself. It's getting old.

How is he making a fool out of himself? Because he doesn't buy into your whole bull crap article? Get real dude.

What would be the religious implications ?

for instance, if the Creationists and the Intelligent Desigeners were right about the origin of man, wouldn't the Creator Himself be responsible for the abomination of our DNA ????

Nah....they'll simply blame it on the taint of corruption of the woman (i.e. concept of original sin) and set back their recent rights advancements a few decades.... Sad, but I bet it's true...it's an easy out, and the Church LOVES scapegoats.... Amazing how thousand year old doctrine still influences modern attitudes. Amazing....and yet incredibly sad...

Just stop posting in these topics ok, it's really not to be taken serious anymore

Dude now you are pissing me off. As with Ladyv, if you can't take someone having a different opinion than you, then you stop posting. This site is not about accepting others opinions, it's about sharing opinions. So, stop attacking people just because they have a differentopinion than you. Your arguement is weak at best. No scientific study has ever concluded that gays are born that way.