Gay Genes, Religous implications ?

Originally posted by DrHoracid
I thought I was the only one that could get all the love.

LadyV, your right to do and say as you wish....

But gay genes is just stupid. A simple mutation...........

Ok...I could give you that...but if that's what it is, it is still not their fault and they can not help but to be what they are any more than we can help to be what we are. Perhaps the Christian bible is talking about people having homosexual acts and not being gay....in biblical times, many men had sex with other men just because it was the thing to do at the time....there wasn't even the word "homosexual" at that time. Though I'm sure that there were also those that had this mutation then, if that's what it is.

So the fact that your opinon means less to me than the static on my car radio makes me

crude, crass, uncaring, and bigoted towards others

?????????????????
Neither god nor the bible requires me to seek either yours or anyone else approval. Nether god nor the bible require me to give a flying fart in a factory what you think of me or my opinions. Neither god nor the Bible require me to give a hoot n hell what you think, accept to be true, or are offended by.
I will not denounce the truth of the lord jesus's message simply becase to offends you.
I will not tolerate what the bible calls an abomination becuase you want me to be PC.
I will not accept, condone, support, or justify what i believe to be a sin because that belief doesn't fit into your woolly minded, Earth goddess, morally relativistic mindset.
Nor will I apologise for my beliefs.
If my beliefs, opinions, statements, or view of the world offend you too #ing bad. I am not here to make you happy. I am not here to make you comfortable. Your level of offense is a direct result of how much you allow yourself to be offended so dont blame me for your lack of emotional control.
Once again lady V If I offend you too #ing bad

The bible is pretty specific about homosexual "acts" and related penalty. Historically, there is a direct "correlation" between "gays" and the fall of great empires. USA won't be any different.

No, the bible doesn't offend me at all, and "God" certainly doesn't, I "do" believe in a God.....I get offended by self righteous, religious nuts (from any religion) that think they are better than everyone else, cuss, sin up a storm while preaching at others they are sinning, and then call them selves good people that follow their religion...these types are a joke and we all know it...they are the ones that seem to be in the dark, confused and are in for a surprise...I will now add to my ignore list and make you # three. There are certain types of people that I will not associate myself with in real life and I see no reason to subject myself to them on a BB either....

Originally posted by mwm1331
Jakko dont like my sig? Don't like my views? dont lke how I use my "way above" votes?
Too f*cking bad.

You really seem to enjoy the whole "too fcking bad you don't agree" attitude. Too fcking bad that some ATSers have this attitude, it sure makes discussing anything with them harder.

I thought it was a great post, factually true, compassionate, short, and to the point.

Factually true?
I am not sure wether you even know what that means.

1) so its saying that taking that drug seems to correlate to a stastistical rise in homosexual offspring. Smoking crack when your pregnant seems to correlate to a statistical rise in crack head offspring.

A wrong comparison. This is not about wrong habits that the children inherit from parents, this is about a certain chemical damaging embryos brains.

Awnser to both, Brain damage.
2) Shows that gays do in fact have abnormal brain structures thus implying homosexuality is a birth defect. So what so is being born deaf, thats why we invented hearing aids.

Uhm?!
People who are born deaf will usually not hear after the use of hearing aids. Also the comparison is once again wrong, as being born deaf has never been seen as "your choice" or "sinfull", and being born gay has.

Your comparisons make no sense, your reasoning makes no sense, and you don't give a f*uck wether everyone thinks you're wrong.
Maybe I am just wasting my time talking to you...

Originally posted by DrHoracid
The bible is pretty specific about homosexual "acts" and related penalty. Historically, there is a direct "correlation" between "gays" and the fall of great empires. USA won't be any different.

That's all fine and dandy...but it's not my point...my main problem is people that call themselves such good Christians, using it as an excuse to hate a group of people......judging, and those people thinking they are so sin free that they have the '"right" to point fingers others.....I can't stand that...it's not right.
EDIT...why can't they think it's wrong without being judgemental and small minded....leave other people alone...let their god worry about them.

[edit on 2/10/2005 by LadyV]

So can I take this to mean there will be no more replies from you to my posts?
See further proof that god loves me.

Originally posted by IBM
Ok let me ask you why is it that gay couples raise thier kids to be straight if they truly believe their orientation to be acceptable?

This is not about wether or not being gay is acceptable.
Gay couples raise their kids to be straight, because they expect their kids to be born straight. The chance that the children were born gay is 5%.
This is a "straight world" maybe you never noticed. That's why.

Jakko another thing, I in one of my previous posts did make a scientific explanation. I am ver religious yet I also belive that nature used evolution to put sex into existence to pass on genes. Nature made sex, not the scientists, scientists can only explain sex, and abnormalities such as homosexuality.

So?
That does not change that gay people were born gay.
They never wanted, chose or asked to be gay, neither can they do anything to change what they are attracted to.

God gave us brains to think and not commit sin such as homosexualtiy.

I don't even want to try to make a meaningfull reply to such dumb comments. Please think before you write something. It's increasingly hard to communicate with you.

Originally posted by LadyV

Originally posted by DrHoracid
The bible is pretty specific about homosexual "acts" and related penalty. Historically, there is a direct "correlation" between "gays" and the fall of great empires. USA won't be any different.

That's all fine and dandy...but it's not my point...my main problem is people that call themselves such good Christians, using it as an excuse to hate a group of people......judging, and those people thinking they are so sin free that they have the '"right" to point fingers others.....I can't stand that...it's not right.

OK, slow down......there is a big difference between Knowing right from wrong and doing wrong. I also know many "self-righteous" morons, and have been accused of same. Trying to "teach" someone or show them the error of their ways is hard. Pety human emotion gets in the way too often. Everyone has a choice to die for all eternity, its a personal one......

Originally posted by mwm1331

So can I take this to mean there will be no more replies from you to my posts?
See further proof that god loves me.

Hmmm I am starting to doubt wether your brains have not been damaged in the embryo phase.
I was hoping a fellow christian would not make a fool out of my religion by acting like a complete jerk, but it seems that was naive?

It's really too bad it's always the christians that have to parade their narrowminded, simplistic and most of all wrong opinions around the ATS boards.

LadyV, just remember there are also a lot of christians like me.

Well jakko I am sorry that unlike you I do not feel ashamed of my faith.
I am sorry that unlike you I do not suffer fools easily
I am sorry that unlike you I recognise that if god says somethng is a sin, that means Its something you are not supposed to do.
I am sorry that unlike you I am secure enough in myself, my faith, and my convictions not to care who agrees with me.
I could be more like you Jakko, but I am not willing to turn my back on god, justify base immoraltiy, and allow those who engage in sin to die unsaved without trying to warn them of the road they are on.

Originally posted by mwm1331
Well jakko I am sorry that unlike you I do not feel ashamed of my faith.

I am not ashamed of my faith, not at all. I am ashamed of some supporters of my faith who are so clearly wrong, that people start ignoring them, like yourself.

I am sorry that unlike you I recognise that if god says somethng is a sin, that means Its something you are not supposed to do.

Ah and you saying the word f*ck all the time is no sin?
I do not think I understand the bible fully and in the only correct way, but I know for sure you don't. Yet you act as if you do. An attitude that damages the entire christian religion.

I am sorry that unlike you I am secure enough in myself, my faith, and my convictions not to care who agrees with me.

I think God wants us to care about other people enough to care about wether they agree with us. God wouldn't want you to shut down the discussion with your rude comments.
If there is one of us who is displaying an unchristian attitude it is you, yet you act as if you're the best. It's revolting.

I could be more like you Jakko, but I am not willing to turn my back on god, justify base immoraltiy, and allow those who engage in sin to die unsaved without trying to warn them of the road they are on.

Ah so thinking about complex issues is turning your back from God?
Discussing and not being sure about a subject yet is wrong?
You are one of the most ignorant christians I have met in my life.
I hope God opens your eyes.

[edit on 10-2-2005 by Jakko]

Originally posted by Jakko


It's really too bad it's always the christians that have to parade their narrowminded, simplistic and most of all wrong opinions around the ATS boards.

I have met some very good Christians here at ATS...but I usually, in real life, run into the ones like him....they look at porn, cuss, lie, cheat, drink blaa, blaa, blaa...they do all types of things that are sinful.....even though their bible tells them not to, and then point out what sin others are doing. Hypocrites! I understand that everyone sins....but for some reason, they have the mentality that it's ok for them to do whatever they want to...but if others sin...they are pointing their fingers...sin is sin. It's funny because I am not a Christian, I don't smoke, do drugs, or drink, I don't lie and there is no one that I can say I actually feel hate for. I dislike some people and keep my distance, but I hate no one.....but yet, I'm doomed because I am not a Christian....
Now I have leave for work...

Originally posted by LadyV
but yet, I'm doomed because I am not a Christian....

Now I have leave for work...

I can't predict the future, but my best guess is that even after you die you somehow get the chance to accept Jesus' offering or not.

So please show me where I stated I dont sin?
Or where I stated that I cheat stel lie or any of the other bull# lady V was talking?

Ah and you saying the word f*ck all the time is no sin?
I do not think I understand the bible fully and in the only correct way, but I know for sure you don't. Yet you act as if you do. An attitude that damages the entire christian religion.

No actually its not a sin to say #.

I think God wants us to care about other people enough to care about wether they agree with us. God wouldn't want you to shut down the discussion with your rude comments.
If there is one of us who is displaying an unchristian attitude it is you, yet you act as if you're the best. It's revolting.

jesus admonshed us not to throw pearls before swine. If I tell you the truth as recording in the Gospel and you do not accept it, then that is your choice to make, and no I dont particularly care whether you agree its the truth.

Ah so thinking about complex issues is turning your back from God?
Discussing and not being sure about a subject yet is wrong?

Yes when it is explicity stated what he wants from you and what he does not want you to do then discussing whther it is right or wrong is a sin.
Its not a complex issue. its a very simple one. One of the very few things in fact the bible is very clear on.

You see jakko the simple fact is that gods views on homosexulity are stated very clearly at several different places. There is no need to discuss whether it is right or wrong. It's wrong because he said so. If the fact that he said so isn't enough of a reason for you then maybe you need to spend some time to determine if you really beleve.

In reference to lady V comments.
yes you are doomed because you are not christian. Jesus was quite clear on the subject, but don't worry, he will forgive any sin if you ask in true faith and honestly resolve not to sin again.

See thats what the homosexuals dont like the fact that in order to be forgiven you have to stop or at least honestly try to stop comitting the sin you are guilty of. If you honestly try and fail he will forgive you, if you do not even try then your confession was never genuine.

Ok now how about this.
What should a person who is gay, do in your opinion?
What would be your advise?

Now pay attention carefully, I said someone WHO IS GAY, this means someome who was born being attracted to their own gender.
Obviously you would advise them not to give in to their desires, but what else?

Would you tell them to stop masturbating?
Would you tell them to lead a sexless life, without any form of erotic experiences, untill they somehow magicly become straight?

I really wonder...

I am sure you never had depressed 15 year olds come to you, to ask wether they should kill themselves or not because they were born gay, but just pretend this would happen, what would you say?

I would encourage them to seek psychological counseling wth a heavy emphasis on attempting to determnine whether or not they have been abused.
Allow me to state very clearly, I dont buy the born gay BS.
No one is gay. They choose to be gay. Or are damaged in such a way by others it causes them to think they are gay.
No one argues thast childhood sexual abuse can and does lead to abusive behavior torwards children, obsessive nymphomania or other phsycological disorders. N one argues that rape at an early age can cause a woman to feel her only form of value is through becomming a source of sexual gratification for men.
So why is it so hard to accept that homosexuality is a sexual disorder which most likely has its roots in childhood truma?

Originally posted by mwm1331
So why is it so hard to accept that homosexuality is a sexual disorder which most likely has its roots in childhood truma?

You just admitted being gay is damage in the brains.
Remember the diet pills?
Lol

Originally posted by mwm1331
Awnser to both, Brain damage.
2) Shows that gays do in fact have abnormal brain structures thus implying homosexuality is a birth defect. So what so is being born deaf, thats why we invented hearing aids.

You're hilarious, is it not possible to have a discussion with you?

[edit on 10-2-2005 by Jakko]

and how is that a contradiction?
You dont think childhood trauma damages the brain?
Also i must point out that neither article is conclusive nor do the articles themselves show nything other than a statistical correlation. In other words it might be nothing.
But yes I believe gays have some form of brain damage or pshycological disorder.
However that is irrelevant.
God said it is wrong.
Its not my place to agree or disagree.
he decided.
It wouldnt matter if I didn't see anything wrong with it he does

Jakko, the only way you can prove a baby is born gay is to ask it while an infant not to wait till speaking age or when they are old enough to think logically, thier answers must be indicative of physical desires. So there is really no way to prove that an infant was born gay, and the fact is that they are not born gay.