So now flirting or asking a girl out is sexual harassment

a reply to: IAMTAT

don't forget they need to wear blinkers/blinders as well so as not to make eye contact

originally posted by: tkwasny
Now you know why the Islam attitude toward women is at it is. If this is what western women want, keep up the attacking men that find you attractive and want to start up a relationship. You'll just become obedient property or be eliminated.

So you are full mental?

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

Those examples I posted here are not the whole story, either. I have seen friends, acquaintances, enemies even, taken down by a disgruntled woman only because the woman didn't like them. I have a feeling, before all is said and done, many of the men posting here and denying the problem (or at least discounting its frequency) will at some point be trying to figure out what they could have possibly done to get themselves in so much trouble. Loss of a good job, friends, one's good name, even one's liberty is not a laughing matter when it's you losing it.

Suffice it to say, I have become quite suspicious and cynical in my old age. My ultimate long-term goal is actually to be able to live a decent life without having to interact with another human being. Because based on what I have witnessed in my life, it's safer lying in a rattlesnake bed than walking down the street with other humans.

I know when a rattlesnake wants to bite me. It tells me.

TheRedneck

I think a lot of people who get mad about this are guys targeting women who socially they would not be able to get anywhere with if they had met them outside of work. Like if she walked into a nightclub with her friends, and this guy were in the same nightclub and approached her, he would expect to be coldly shot down.

But this is work, so she has to be cordial. Even if the answer is "no", she will have to be nice about it and still make him feel ok about himself.

Can you see how that is so very not-what-the-workplace-is-for? Do you see how "coddling the ego of un-date-able men" is not part of her job description? That is what strippers and prostitutes are for (and their salary requirements are usually much higher than what your employer's secretary makes.)

The way that I kept this stuff from happening to me: i was aloof. Mostly dated girls who approached me. I've never been into the sillyness of "courting" or trying to best other people for the sake of a girl. Im pretty socially awkward with lots to offer the discerning eye.

So i just waited for some discerning eyes. Just so happens the one i married was one i'd drooled over quite a bit. Head to toe she was everything I liked in a chick. The religious in my family said the good lord sent her to me. I prefer to think it was my fetching charm when i gave her this look

I've been thinking ever since I saw this thread about why I don't share in other posters' fear that I may someday be targeted by a sexual harassment accusation.

And I realize the reason is because I can walk into a night club, see a pretty girl there with her friends, and if I walk up to her and ask her about getting to know each other better, she probably will respond to me cordially (at worst.)

I suppose I would see the whole issue differently if I were less appealing to the opposite sex.

But thinking that your job should be a place where the laws of attraction work differently than they do in a nightclub is where the big mistake is happening.

a reply to: TheRedneck

I know when a rattlesnake wants to bite me. It tells me.

hahahaha...at least you know the rattlesnakes nature - you can never be too sure of human's; hence better to be equipped with a recorder

a reply to: bloodymarvelous

I think a lot of people who get mad about this are guys targeting women who socially they would not be able to get anywhere with if they had met them outside of work

And you would be wrong there, many men have seen and heard real life stories to be wary of women in general. There is a reason pre-nup agreements are popular as a form of insurance when the feelings of lust subside and relationship's go wrong for any number of reasons.

a reply to: tkwasny

Ah, the ramblings of the enlightened mind. When's the last time you had a date, Ladies Man? I'm pretty sure, it's been quite a while. I'm sure the ladies don't know what they're missing....

originally posted by: TownCryer
It's pretty clear the OP doesn't socialize often. If you are at work, you are expected to work, not hook-up. If a guy was to approach a female co-worker, and suggest that they might engage in some sort of out-of-work activity, the woman could go to her boss and report that guy. And yeah, the guy should expect to be talked to about appropriate work environment behavior. Then if that guy continues his inappropriate behavior, that guy should expect the repercussions to increase, up to an including termination of employment.

It's pretty clear you are channelling your strong disagreement that he may have a point into an ad hominem to try and derail the thread. The feminists have taught you well! (Is it worth it? You tell me when you either find out you are involved in an unforeseen sexual harassment suit or you find out their motor is not any better than any other women's. I suspect the second because it seems you are fortunate that most women find you attractive enough not to label you and destroy your career because of a misunderstanding in the workplace. If you aren't actually even male, just disregard everything after "well!".)

We all know the woman can go straight to their boss and report them just for asking once, that's kinda the point of this thread. They are in a position to use the imagined power over men to their advantage in a way where only men can be the perpetrator and they can behave however they like without any real consequences. On your period? A male coworker asks why you are so moody today, go to the boss and report him for insensitivity. Or if you notice they are upset and ask if there is anything you can do to cheer them up, they can go straight to your boss and report you for trying to advance on you. Unless there is a third party witness, why should the women not be believed? Isn't it misogynistic to assume she could be lying for personal reasons?

In the real world, when a guy approaches a woman for a date, he pretty much knows right away what that woman's attitude is. If she says no, the guy should drop his pursuit, as opposed to thinking that the woman actually just wants the guy to try harder. Guys who think a denial is a challenge are the ones who lose their jobs - like the idiots at FOX, many of whom have been accused of harassment now, by several different woman. Unless all of these woman are conspiring against the poor unfortunate men of FOX'NEWS', (extremely unlikely), more sexist, out-of-touch, over entitled white guys will soon be updating their resumes. Tucker, you a$$, I'm looking right at you.... Hannity? You're a big fat target. Couldn't happen to two more deserving a holes. Fingers crossed

Yep, all women react the same way any time they are approached by a coworker for any reason and to suggest otherwise is trying to generalise, which leads to misogyny (have you actually ever worked with a female coworker? Yes, even if you are female, I want to know if you have worked with other women before?)

This thread is so obviously just about protecting two Fox News "entitled white guys". Nothing else of importance has been revealed. Just all an attempt to try and get those guys off the hook...yeah, give me a break.

But you have just provided me with an excellent idea, so I'm glad I responded after all! If any female co-worker is even above average in appearance, I am going to start asking them out in the second sentence I meet them to see what happens. If their reaction is anything more than "thanks, but I am not interested or I am seeing somebody" then I will make a mental note not to approach them AT ALL. If I have to deal with them in ANY capacity, I will ensure there is at least one other person (preferably female) within hearing distance, or I'll pretend I have a selective hearing disorder. See, THAT way even having a recording vice cannot be misconstrued as creepy (ironically, the need to prove you actually aren't creep is by having one!).

a reply to: Dark Ghost

This "stealthing" scare is all over the US media news as well. Apparently this fake news is even more alarming than the creepy clowns that terrorized the world in 2016.

originally posted by: Dark Ghost

But you have just provided me with an excellent idea, so I'm glad I responded after all! If any female co-worker is even above average in appearance, I am going to start asking them out in the second sentence I meet them to see what happens. If their reaction is anything more than "thanks, but I am not interested or I am seeing somebody" then I will make a mental note not to approach them AT ALL. If I have to deal with them in ANY capacity, I will ensure there is at least one other person (preferably female) within hearing distance, or I'll pretend I have a selective hearing disorder. See, THAT way even having a recording vice cannot be misconstrued as creepy (ironically, the need to prove you actually aren't creep is by having one!).

You probably will get fired just for doing that. But not for sexual harassment. It will be because you look like a sexual harassment risk (and because nobody in the office wants to work with you.)




I'm having a hard time why any men feel victimized by being told they can't hit on female coworkers? Is that a fringe benefit of working with hot women?

Most hot women avoid guys they consider to be losers altogether, precisely because they don't want to get asked out and have to refuse again and again, all day long.

This is identical in every way to how most normal people don't like door to door salesmen knocking on their door and trying to sell them vacuum cleaners. Or telemarketers calling them on the telephone to sell them an all expense paid trip to the Bahamas.

It shouldn't be such a surprise they get tired of it and call HR.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

You know what, you are right! My husband's male friends ask him all the time how he captured my attention. He tells them straight up that he ignored me. He did stand out because I was inundated with all the lame lines and attention. He was different. So I had to approach him!

Bless his heart though, even married now, and seriously ignoring his female co-workers and female bosses obvious display of cleavage leaning into him or over the front of his desk, has the apparent same appeal on women. He does have fun knowing that it is driving them crazy that he does not respond like the other guys.

I worked in the corporate world as well. Egad! Preferred working with men. I did not show my cleavage or wear short skirts. That was weekend wear not work wear! I still was hit on a lot, but the fact was...I just told them not happening and refocus their mind on job related duties.

I never was bitchy and never reported them. Even one guy who believed I was really some porn star in my early years! He took 3 slap downs, but he moved on too without needing to go to HR. Men tend to be very direct and can understand directness. Women thought I was b*tchy, since they are often offended at directness and have a need for a work-up to a point.

Alas, it is what it is...differences in genders that are natural. Thanks to a female German supervisor, I learned this difference of communication and changed how I speak to different genders. I quickly moved up the corporate ladder afterwards!

If he Hannity did that at work with a colleague....it's unprofessional. Especially at the level of employment that he is at.

a reply to: xstealth

Dam Virgin for Life

Here is the deal: Georgia guide stones, all know about that. So if you doesn't want to destroy the actual earth all you need to do is get everyone whether it is due to homo and heter to stop having sex then you will reduce the earth population. And of coarse there is managed diseases, contrived wars and death.... wa la reduced population and the Georgia guide stone figure works out.

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: tkwasny
Now you know why the Islam attitude toward women is at it is. If this is what western women want, keep up the attacking men that find you attractive and want to start up a relationship. You'll just become obedient property or be eliminated.

So you are full mental?

This woman thinks western males are becoming wimps does she have a point?

Yep the women have whooped the men in America and the men are loving it .... don't have to do anything except watch the tv and drink beer LOL