So now flirting or asking a girl out is sexual harassment

I feel bad for you single guys.

If you ask a girl out or flirt with one you can lose your job over it, ask Bill O'Reily.

Now Sean Hannity is being accused.

Debbie Schlussel said the married primetime anchor invited her back to his hotel in Detroit after the pair met at a book signing. After the conservative commentator turned down the father-of-two's advances, she claims she wasn't invited back on his show. Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk... Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

So the direction this is going you guys will be sued for catcalling or flirting with a woman.

I'm not going to comment on the ethics of a married man flirting with a girl since this is unproven, I want to point out the direction these allegations are going.

In my opinion sexual harassment should only be recognized in extreme cases, not when a man tries to pick you up. That's what men do. (not me, im married faithfully (in case my wife is reading)(i'm being honest though))

a reply to: xstealth

The rules where I work, is a person who has the authority to hire and fire people cannot make advances sexually to those whom he or she can hire and fire. Something about using your power to coerce sexual behavior. It happens, but everyone is real careful. Question, did he have the power? Otherwise it is simple moral outrage, if proven true

a reply to: Sillyosaurus

I don't know, did Bill O'Reilly have power over all those women in the allegations? None were anything more than him trying to pick them up. I don't see the big deal here.

originally posted by: xstealth
I feel bad for you single guys.

If you ask a girl out or flirt with one you can lose your job over it, ask Bill O'Reily.

Now Sean Hannity is being accused.

Debbie Schlussel said the married primetime anchor invited her back to his hotel in Detroit after the pair met at a book signing. After the conservative commentator turned down the father-of-two's advances, she claims she wasn't invited back on his show. Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk... Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

So the direction this is going you guys will be sued for catcalling or flirting with a woman.

I'm not going to comment on the ethics of a married man flirting with a girl since this is unproven, I want to point out the direction these allegations are going.

In my opinion sexual harassment should only be recognized in extreme cases, not when a man tries to pick you up. That's what men do. (not me, im married faithfully (in case my wife is reading)(i'm being honest though))

Workplace is a place to work, not flirt and pull women.
It's been like that in a lot of workplaces since at least the 90's.
This isn't new, I'm sure it's been like that in a corporation like FOX for at least that long too.
Employers also try stop that practice so if the two employees fall out it doesn't carry on in to the workplace.

Damn, I'd look over to know who is behind this utter destruction of Fox News! I bet it's the Republican Establishment for supporting Trump!

a reply to: xstealth

XStealth you nailed the hammer with the nail on the head you said it bro. What the heck is going on with all this politcal correctness nonsense its not fare! If women are going to be in the workplace then we should be allowed to flirt with them and expect a date out of it. Its not right that we cant even go to work any more and have a little romance!

Damned lefty libs!

FFS, work place romance is as old as the dinosaurs, lots of people in a office talking all day sooner or later you will find some freak that wants to wear a leather dog face gimp mask and be pee'd on like a fire hydrant.. BUT current culture makes the straight "white?" man public enemy number one, you will get slaughtered from all sides be it the feminazis or the crazy liberal bastards that will already look at you like a rapist..


It is this "western" trait that is now prevalent why I do not think I would ever date a western women or even bother with a advance, just to many bat # crazy liars that know how easy it is to "catch" you out, think about that FB message you sent 15 years ago that will be used as ammo.


I will not speak with 97% of my work place colleagues due to their utter level liberal w@nk meter, god forbid you tell a "racy" joke that will be your career over for bringing "extreme" unappropriate sexual contented views into the safe space....


Crap like this has me pulling myself out of society and why I only have a handful of real friends that I have vetted over the years for their level of logic and mental stability....



RA

I was waiting for the accusations against Hannity, and soon Tucker.

I found this to be a pretty good read concerning the matter.

The story seemed to come out of left field with all the focus on Trump, and this isn't the first time O'Reilly was accused of this.

originally posted by: slider1982
FFS, work place romance is as old as the dinosaurs, lots of people in a office talking all day sooner or later you will find some freak that wants to wear a leather dog face gimp mask and be pee'd on like a fire hydrant.. BUT current culture makes the straight "white?" man public enemy number one, you will get slaughtered from all sides be it the feminazis or the crazy liberal bastards that will already look at you like a rapist..


It is this "western" trait that is now prevalent why I do not think I would ever date a western women or even bother with a advance, just to many bat # crazy liars that know how easy it is to "catch" you out, think about that FB message you sent 15 years ago that will be used as ammo.

FFS, abuse of authority for the purpose of sexual coercion is as old as the dinosaurs.

I will not speak with 97% of my work place colleagues due to their utter level liberal w@nk meter, god forbid you tell a "racy" joke that will be your career over for bringing "extreme" unappropriate sexual contented views into the safe space....


Crap like this has me pulling myself out of society and why I only have a handful of real friends that I have vetted over the years for their level of logic and mental stability....



RA

FFS, abuse of authority for the purpose of sexual coercion is as old as the dinosaurs.

How dare those "feminazis or the crazy liberal bastards" speak up against it.

originally posted by: xstealth
So now flirting or asking a girl out is sexual harassment

That is irrational.
Under certain conditions, certain circumstances, it has ALWAYS been sexual harassment!
Like our Crotch-grabber in Chief!
When one is in a position of power, like the various old white men accused (with aps to Bill Cosby, but there's lots more powerful whites in the good old boys club), and they use that intimidating power to get away with acting like a thugs...

Versus going up to any woman in public, not job related, and politely asking her out.. you know, 'manners'?

Are you still going to defend the pu$$$y grabbers, or do you understand the difference?

Woah hold up a minute. Firstly, he's a married man. That alone shows how much respect he has for his own wife, and women in general. He's a pig.

Second accordingly to the article, its way more than just him asking her back to his hotel. He's been actively pursuing her, and she doesn't want him. I don't blame her, he's slime. I've had to deal with men like this and they disgust me.

This is clearly not what you people are making it out to be. This does seem like a clear cut case of harassment. It's a textbook case of an abusive man trying to victim blame and bully a woman who is standing up to him. This is not a part of some man-hating agenda. I hope he gets what's coming to him.

a reply to: namelesss

Trump's crotch-grabber comment was commentary on what some women will allow a wealthy man to do. Or get away with. And well... women don't like being called out on their own b.s. Being offended by the comment speaks volumes.

Workplace got ethics, there are thousand other avenues to flirt.

This actually happened to someone I worked with a few years ago.

I won't say too much, put simply the story goes like this:

There was a building I worked in with a team of engineers, and one particular guy had a little crush on a cleaner lady who worked there. So one day we were at lunch, chatting among ourselves - it was common for people to approach us and ask for advice about technical issues due to the nature of our job.

So this lady was having some issues with an electrical appliance and asked us for advice, and this particular chap was being particularly helpful due to the fact that he found this lady quite attractive. He suggested that he could go to her house and diagnose and potentially repair the faulty equipment.

The woman acted kinda sheepish, she didn't say yes but she didn't exactly say no, either. I suppose the lack of a definite 'no' lead this chap to believe that it was potentially a 'yes' so he pushed the issue again, later. He wasn't aggressive or even overly flirtatious, he simply pursued her because she didn't give a definitive answer.

Lady in question simply blushed and side-stepped the issue again. Fast forward to the following morning when the man in question didn't appear for his shift. Myself and the rest of the team were a bit concerned so we asked our manager if he'd heard anything from him and were told to forget about him, that we wouldn't be seeing him again.

Really confused we pushed the issue wanting more information, but our manager got quite angry and told us in no uncertain terms to forget about it and that he wouldn't be back. We later found out that the man was actually escorted from the premises by another manager following claims of sexual harrassment.

The lady had gone to her manager and told her that she was being harassed by the man, but she never made it clear to him that she wasn't interested. Poor guy lost his job, I met him some time after and sort of broached the subject and he was visibly upset when I mentioned it.

I dropped it but he elaborated - the woman in question had alleged that he was pursuing her and that she was creeped out by his advances. I don't think he was overly pushy or aggressive in his approach, from what we saw it was mildly flirtatious but the solution was to not only fire the guy, but escort him from the premises like some seedy rapist.

This put me off chatting to women at work on a non-professional basis. I don't flirt with women at work, I wouldn't even ask one out for a drink. There used to be a time when it was common for people to meet a partner at work, it shouldn't be an issue but you can't be too careful nowadays.

All I'll say is this - if someone is trying to flirt with you or chat you up, be honest with them. Don't be rude or nasty, but if you're not interested then make it clear. Don't act all childish, blushing with embarassment, then go behind the poor chap/lady's back and cause a fuss, there's no need for it.

People used to do that - get to know people at work and often find a partner but the world has changed, everyone wants to claim victimhood. Scary times.

Ol Bill O shoulda had him a hillary to smack down all them trailer trashes.

Oh well, Mad Men days are over I guess.

Some of you people would be stroke victims or worse, if you'd been in some of the kitchens I worked.

lol, good times!

a reply to: xstealth

Part of the muso thing where you have an "arranged" (introduction) outing under supervision and followed marriage, its the first step in process in other words.

Asking the girl out is akin to treating her like a slut, (in muso land)

im conflicted on this issue.

theres no doubt that men run almost everything and have used that to their advantage historically. Now that theres pushback many are crying foul. Even though many men may be innocent of doing anything actually bad what they dont understand is the historicall context their actions are interpreted by.

there is also no doubt there is a culture of man hating, especially white man hating.

I still believe two wrongs dont make a right (one of the best childhood truisms that stay relevant into adulthood) therefore no matter how much injustice has been committed by men in the workplace or otherwise it never justifies the overreach of protective measures such that innocent mistakes are punished by permanent consequences like losing a job.

Most, if not all of these cases, are he said/she said and as such will never be able to be proven beyond or even close to any reasonable doubt. Therefore the court of public opinion will judge as it always does, regardless of evidence and the world will keep on turning.

The fact is that you do not even want to talk anymore in the workplace. It is too tense. You might say the wrong thing and not even realize it and offend someone. Not only do you have sexual harassment to deal with, you have bullying now, also non inclusion, being in the vicinity of the incident. For example everyone of those engineers that overheard would have been fired at some companies.

Technically, yes. Flirting at the workplace is actually a part of the definition of "sexual harassment". That's why most workplaces explicitly say not to do it.

Sexual Harassment (legal definition)

Sexual Harassment

It is unlawful to harass a person (an applicant or employee) because of that person’s sex. Harassment can include “sexual harassment” or unwelcome sexual advances, requests for sexual favors, and other verbal or physical harassment of a sexual nature.

Harassment does not have to be of a sexual nature, however, and can include offensive remarks about a person’s sex. For example, it is illegal to harass a woman by making offensive comments about women in general.

Both victim and the harasser can be either a woman or a man, and the victim and harasser can be the same sex.

Although the law doesn’t prohibit simple teasing, offhand comments, or isolated incidents that are not very serious, harassment is illegal when it is so frequent or severe that it creates a hostile or offensive work environment or when it results in an adverse employment decision (such as the victim being fired or demoted).

The harasser can be the victim's supervisor, a supervisor in another area, a co-worker, or someone who is not an employee of the employer, such as a client or customer.

Did it ever to occur to you that going to work isn't the same thing as going to a club/bar/party? How about people work while at work and leave the flirting for another time? (lol then again I dated a coworker for 3 years, so yeah...)

Yeah...I'll tell you another story...

One of the first jobs I had when I left school was working for Compaq in a huge factory in Erskine, Scotland.

I was about 18 or 19 at the time, and there was a veeeery sexually aggressive woman who worked there who was very pushy and seemed to have a thing for me, she was an older woman - a lot older.

Now we're talking almost 20 years ago...when men were apparently still dominant, or something. I worked nightshift, and on this particular night this woman grabbed my a$$ in front of everyone in the canteen and made a very lewd comment.

I was just a lad and kind of embarassed, but to try and maintain some dignity I said, quite loudly...am I to assume that it's ok for me to do that to you? and her response was...You can try, whether you get away with it or not is another matter

In other words...she might cause a fuss if she feels like it. I've had maaany experiences like this in work, mostly from older women who for some odd reason seem to be attracted to me. Some of the things I've had said and done to me over the years would make your teeth bleed.

So for all the nonsense about men being dominant in the workplace and perpetuating sexual harassment and banter - my experience is the opposite. I see women being often far more crude and sexually aggressive towards men knowing it will go unreported or nothing will be said or done about it.

If a man does it to a woman there's outcry, a huge furore and the man lands in trouble and potentially loses his job. If a woman does it and the man complains, he's pathetic, a whinger, a homosexual, a pu$$y, etc, etc.