So now flirting or asking a girl out is sexual harassment

a reply to: Dark Ghost

I'm actually glad I experienced it so my story can be shared and argued here.
You are right though, complete double standards.

The workplace is not a dating pool. Gone are the days of a nice firm slap shows just how nice a job is... hey women want a raise here comes my hand... lifts you a bit higher now doesn't it? Pathetic and juvenile... ripped right out of the pages of the 1950's atomic age, children still being terrorized with tucked your little head and kiss your little ass goodbye because "adults" can't even adult.

When an adult in the work place has to yell help I need and adult? They are being an adult... they are not a victim nor a slave to silence to fools that cannot keep their minds on the job and task at hand if their hands are free enough to empty a dirty mind then there is a garbage detail that needs to take such trash out.

As in fired.

Maybe you guys should read 1984 again and pay attention to the way relationships were addressed in that book and how things are playing out today.

originally posted by: enlightenedservant
Technically, yes. Flirting at the workplace is actually a part of the definition of "sexual harassment". That's why most workplaces explicitly say not to do it.

Sexual Harassment (legal definition)

Sexual Harassment

It is unlawful to harass a person (an applicant or employee) because of that person’s sex. Harassment can include “sexual harassment” or unwelcome sexual advances, requests for sexual favors, and other verbal or physical harassment of a sexual nature.

Harassment does not have to be of a sexual nature, however, and can include offensive remarks about a person’s sex. For example, it is illegal to harass a woman by making offensive comments about women in general.

Both victim and the harasser can be either a woman or a man, and the victim and harasser can be the same sex.

Although the law doesn’t prohibit simple teasing, offhand comments, or isolated incidents that are not very serious, harassment is illegal when it is so frequent or severe that it creates a hostile or offensive work environment or when it results in an adverse employment decision (such as the victim being fired or demoted).

The harasser can be the victim's supervisor, a supervisor in another area, a co-worker, or someone who is not an employee of the employer, such as a client or customer.

Did it ever to occur to you that going to work isn't the same thing as going to a club/bar/party? How about people work while at work and leave the flirting for another time? (lol then again I dated a coworker for 3 years, so yeah...)

I was a supervisor who flirted with an employee in another department. After we both left the company we got together and are now happily married. Not to say there isn't a risk of people actually abusing their power in the office, but let's be real, would you rather find a woman at a bar, or one in which you know for fact had a career and respects herself?

originally posted by: grainofsand
I'm actually glad I experienced it so my story can be shared and argued here.
You are right though, complete double standards.

Don't get me wrong man, ANYBODY who benefits from participating in this thread probably made the author of this thread's efforts worthwhile. I too have gained. I know which members in the future to tread carefully with before engaging with them in future topics like these.

You were brave to share your personal story and while I do sincerely appreciate you doing so, it does make both of us question why there is a need for somebody to HAVE to share their own personal stories over and over again just to try and ask others to re-examine their own biases and misguided views o the broader topic in question.

originally posted by: BigBrotherDarkness
The workplace is not a dating pool. Gone are the days of a nice firm slap shows just how nice a job is... hey women want a raise here comes my hand... lifts you a bit higher now doesn't it? Pathetic and juvenile... ripped right out of the pages of the 1950's atomic age, children still being terrorized with tucked your little head and kiss your little ass goodbye because "adults" can't even adult.

Oh dear, another massive misrepresentation of the actual issue being discussed.

When an adult in the work place has to yell help I need and adult? They are being an adult... they are not a victim nor a slave to silence to fools that cannot keep their minds on the job and task at hand if their hands are free enough to empty a dirty mind then there is a garbage detail that needs to take such trash out.

As in fired.

Going to the perpetrator's superior without at least ounce making it emphatically clear that the first noticeable attempt by them to pick you up is not welcome and is not acceptable and must stop immediately, is the act of either an emotional immature child, or somebody looking to play the victim. THIS paragraph is NOT to do with the original story in the opening post anymore, it's to do with discussions that have been a direct result of examining the story in the opening post and seeing where it leads. If you were not aware of that, then ignore this post. If you were and still posted what you did, you are wrong.

originally posted by: MysticPearl
a reply to: namelesss

No it's not.

No what's 'not'.

It's more a comment on women throwing themselves at successful, powerful and celebrity men.

Since woman began, her natural instincts have them attracted to the most 'powerful' man for reasons of survival of self and procreative success.
Women are not naturally attracted, generally, to the weak and powerless.
Men have taken advantage of this all along.
It still relates to taking advantage of precocious children!

originally posted by: namelesss
Women are not naturally attracted, generally, to the weak and powerless.
Men have taken advantage of this all along.
It still relates to taking advantage of precocious children!

Men are not naturally attracted, generally, to the ugly and aged.
Women have taken advantage of this all along.
It still relates to taking advantage of "precocious" children!

What is your point again?

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: namelesss

Yeah and women abuse men as well...

Agreed!
Unhealthy people 'abuse' others.
I never intimated that men were the only abusers.
But since men, traditionally, have/had the 'power', the abuse of such 'power' IS the man's failing.

a reply to: Dark Ghost

Agreed, but we all learn from each others stories.
I've been raped under Swedish law exactly as Assange allegedly raped the two girls he had sex with, a breach of contract.
I've also had sex with a girl who threatened violence from her psycho brother if I didn't shag her fat ugly sorry arse.
Then add the predatory old female managers who threatened my loss of job when I was younger if I didn't shag them.
Women are as bad as men when they have the power...just we don't talk about it.

originally posted by: grainofsand
Agreed, but we all learn from each others stories.
I've been raped under Swedish law exactly as Assange allegedly raped the two girls he had sex with, a breach of contract.
I've also had sex with a girl who threatened violence from her psycho brother if I didn't shag her fat ugly sorry arse.
Then add the predatory old female managers who threatened my loss of job when I was younger if I didn't shag them.
Women are as bad as men when they have the power...just we don't talk about it.

Again, I am sorry you had to share such personal experiences of your life that any reasonable person would conclude would be upsetting at the very least, but as you did say it will serve a great purpose, so thanks for doing it!

I could not have laid it out as well as you just did. Fantastic job!

a reply to: xstealth

Only if you are an unattractive male.

a reply to: grainofsand

Were these women at work also married?

Also, I do appreciate your sharing of this...it adds a unique perspective to the discussion.

originally posted by: HeathenJessie

Aaaah, you say Butkus, I say Buttkiss, potata, tamada, darth vada, ma fada, let's call the whole thing off!

Who cares man, he was a weirdo in that film and chosing that name made him more of a weirdo, which is creepy.

Just for the record, Butkus was Stallone's dog irl, and was named after Dick Butkus.

The little puppy joined the Stallone family in 1969. “We got him when he was about six weeks old,” the filmmaker continues. “He was a ferocious-looking little devil and when he ate his security blanket we decided to name him after Dick Butkus, possibly the fiercest football player in history.

Butkus the Dog Biography

Nothing creepy about it.

originally posted by: namelesss
But since men, traditionally, have/had the 'power', the abuse of such 'power' IS the man's failing.

Is this thread being discussed in traditional terms about how things used to be in the West before feminism was influential, or as of now in the year 2017? Are there so few women in positions of power across the whole workforce in the US alone that the possibility of this being a significant issue is dismissible?

Maybe you have missed the actual point made by the member before, so in case you did: instances of women abusing their position of power to gain sexual gratification from men IS happening RIGHT now in the year 2017, far more often than is currently recognised by the general population. It's not a case of for "every 1000 stories of female victims there is only 1 example affecting a man!" so therefore who really cares?" It's more widespread than that but never gets addressed because we are flooded with stories about women being the victim EVERY time. Do you think the fact that is happening increases or decreases the chance that women in positions of power who desire a younger attractive male will feel the need to even consider the consequences of what they are doing?

If after reading my above paragraph you firmly hold onto what you said before it, then I am now very suspicious of your motives for joining this thread.

originally posted by: Taggart

originally posted by: xstealth
I feel bad for you single guys.

If you ask a girl out or flirt with one you can lose your job over it, ask Bill O'Reily.

Now Sean Hannity is being accused.

Debbie Schlussel said the married primetime anchor invited her back to his hotel in Detroit after the pair met at a book signing. After the conservative commentator turned down the father-of-two's advances, she claims she wasn't invited back on his show. Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk... Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

So the direction this is going you guys will be sued for catcalling or flirting with a woman.

I'm not going to comment on the ethics of a married man flirting with a girl since this is unproven, I want to point out the direction these allegations are going.

In my opinion sexual harassment should only be recognized in extreme cases, not when a man tries to pick you up. That's what men do. (not me, im married faithfully (in case my wife is reading)(i'm being honest though))

Workplace is a place to work, not flirt and pull women.
It's been like that in a lot of workplaces since at least the 90's.
This isn't new, I'm sure it's been like that in a corporation like FOX for at least that long too.
Employers also try stop that practice so if the two employees fall out it doesn't carry on in to the workplace.

i hear this argument being made all the time but i implore you to ask the people u know how they met. youll find a large amount of people met their significant other while on the job. imo most people are reasonable and understand the difference between normal flirting during a courting process and someone doing something illegal. in anycase theres that % of crazy in society and they are the ones usually making headlines.

a reply to: HeathenJessie

He hanged himself that night.

oh dear...so truly sad

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: MotherMayEye

Yes people lie, and under Swedish law Hannah would be a rapist as she broke the contract of our agreed sexual terms.
Do you blame female rape victims for trusting their male attackers as well?

When they lie about wearing protection? YES.

I do not feel sympathy for any woman who asks a guy if they have a condom on and the guy lies and says, "yes," but the woman could have easily glanced at their junk and saw no condom..all in the midst of otherwise consensual sex.

Unless they are blind.

If that is Swedish law, it is stupid. If you can't even look at the d*ck you are going to have sex with to see if it has a condom on it, then you shouldn't be consenting to sex in the first place.

originally posted by: namelesss

originally posted by: xstealth
So now flirting or asking a girl out is sexual harassment

That is irrational.
Under certain conditions, certain circumstances, it has ALWAYS been sexual harassment!
Like our Crotch-grabber in Chief!
When one is in a position of power, like the various old white men accused (with aps to Bill Cosby, but there's lots more powerful whites in the good old boys club), and they use that intimidating power to get away with acting like a thugs...

Versus going up to any woman in public, not job related, and politely asking her out.. you know, 'manners'?

Are you still going to defend the pu$$$y grabbers, or do you understand the difference?

Sure I'll defend Trump.

He said "they LET you grab them by the pussy".

That implies consent, so if grabbing pussy with consent is wrong, then I'm guilty.

originally posted by: MetalChickAmy
Woah hold up a minute. Firstly, he's a married man. That alone shows how much respect he has for his own wife, and women in general. He's a pig.

Second accordingly to the article, its way more than just him asking her back to his hotel. He's been actively pursuing her, and she doesn't want him. I don't blame her, he's slime. I've had to deal with men like this and they disgust me.

This is clearly not what you people are making it out to be. This does seem like a clear cut case of harassment. It's a textbook case of an abusive man trying to victim blame and bully a woman who is standing up to him. This is not a part of some man-hating agenda. I hope he gets what's coming to him.

WOW, I wouldn't want you on a jury.

Hannity is GUILTY according to you, you completely ignore his rebuttal and believe her. Then you condemn him and hope he gets what's coming to him? For what exactly?

Why would that be?