The flat earth conspiracy

a reply to: turbonium1

No your stupid false argument is VSI should show something.


Again....

You

that level flight is measured by the VSI first, and in being a level flight, has a constant altitude.

Again....

No matter the model...

If you fly over London then Paris, is 30,000 feet above sea level any different over Lindon than Paris? If 30,000 feet is maintained between the two cities, why would there be any vertical speed indication on the VSI? In either model?

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: turbonium1

You

Show me a source that states the altimeter measures for level flight, ascent, and descent

You are are wrong....

HIGH POWER ROCKETRY: DUAL DEPLOYMENT (two parachutes)

HIGH POWER ROCKETRY: DUAL DEPLOYMENT

westrocketry.com...

Dual Event Altimeter. Altimeter is a device that continuously measures atmospheric pressure. The altitude of the rocket is immeditatelly computed from the difference of pressure at the ground level (as sampled during altimeter activation) and currently measured pressure. Dual Event Altimeter is an altimeter with some additional functionality. First of all, it is able to detect apogee and "throw-a-switch" when the apogee is detected (this can be used to fire a drogue parachute ejection charge). Second, the dual event altimeter will continue to monitor the altitude even during the descent and can "throw-another-switch" when a predetermined altitude is reached (and thus fire the main parachute ejection charge). Most of the dual event altimeters also record the graph of altitude vs. time for the whole duration of flight.

It doesn't measure level flight, and it's not even used in a plane.... are you serious?

Why don't you admit that planes do not measure level flight with altimeters, because you know they don't.

Such ridiculous levels of denial are hard to understand.

a reply to: turbonium1

No. Your argument was the earth is no curved because the VSI never reads anything. It is a stupid argument.

Again...


No matter the model...

If you fly over London then Paris, is 30,000 feet above sea level any different over Lindon than Paris? If 30,000 feet is maintained between the two cities, why would there be any vertical speed indication on the VSI? In either model?

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: turbonium1

No your stupid false argument is VSI should show something.


Again....

You

that level flight is measured by the VSI first, and in being a level flight, has a constant altitude.

Again....

No matter the model...

If you fly over London then Paris, is 30,000 feet above sea level any different over Lindon than Paris? If 30,000 feet is maintained between the two cities, why would there be any vertical speed indication on the VSI? In either model?

It wouldn't, and it doesn't, because the Earth is flat. If Earth had 'curvature', it would not fly level, it would fly in a descent, of about 5 feet per minute, to merely maintain altitude, and the VSI would measure the descent as 5 fpm, which is not the case, obviously.

You cannot have constant curvature and level flight unless the SURFACE below it is flat. If you are flying over a curved surface, you must fly in a curved path to maintain constant altitude. That is an absolute fact.

How can you fly over a curved surface without flying in a curved path above it? You cannot.

It is a LEVEL flight path, flown over a level surface, simple as that.

a reply to: turbonium1

hen what did they do - prior to 1929 ?

they had no VSI

so level flight was maintained by ???????????????????????????????

yes - keeping the altimter at a chosen altitude

its that simple

got it yet ?

a reply to: turbonium1

You

Why don't you admit that planes do not measure level flight with altimeters, because you know they don't.

Are you lying again. That was your argument.

Quote where I ever posted that altimeters are used to measure physical levelness of a jet.

I have always stuck to Altimeters are calibrated to indicate an altitude off pressure. Are used to fly at a given altitude. VSI and Altimeters are pressure based instruments that have no way to detect pitch of the aircraft, the distance to the actual ground below, nor do they have any means to measure how level the ground is.

You do know a jet can drop or gain altitude without changing pitch?

By Keith Beachy

www.metabunk.org...-192510

There are constant attitude adjustments, but not for the curvature of the earth, that is bunk to me.
www.aviationweather.ws...
When we fly from low/high to high/low pressure areas we may need to make adjustments.
The plane wants to climb as we burn fuel, we make a thrust adjustment, changing the thrust might require a pitch change.

a reply to: turbonium1

You

and the VSI would measure the descent as 5 fpm, which is not the case, obviously.

Why?

Again...


No matter the model...

If you fly over London then Paris, is 30,000 feet above sea level any different over Lindon than Paris? If 30,000 feet is maintained between the two cities, why would there be any vertical speed indication on the VSI? In either model?

just for clarity - its obvious that a certain person - cannot comprehend the difference between level flight and trim

trim =

yaw [ nose port or starbourd of actual heading ]

pitch [ nose up // nose down ]

roll [ wing attitide ]

a plane can fly level - with a pisitive or negative trim


in many aircraft [ most notably advanced jet fighters and stunt airctaft ] - it is possible to fly a distance at a given altitude ASL with a very obvious positive pitch trim [ thats nose up for dummies ]

pugachevs cobra

but hey - everyone - but the certain person accepts this

a reply to: turbonium1

Sorry.

Fixed my quotes on this post


You

The altimeter does NOT measure for level flight, nor an ascent, nor a descent

Don’t tell that to skydivers who use An AAD (automatic activation device).

How Skydiving Work

Automatic Activation Device

adventure.howstuffworks.com...

any of these situations, you may be unable to deploy your parachute yourself, and you need some help. An AAD (automatic activation device) is a small computer that constantly monitors the altitude and activates the reserve chute for you.

If an altimeter doesn’t change it’s indicated altitude when the jet changes altitude, what good is it.

a reply to: turbonium1

Don’t want this post to get lost either...

a reply to: turbonium1

You

Show me a source that states the altimeter measures for level flight, ascent, and descent

You are are wrong....

HIGH POWER ROCKETRY: DUAL DEPLOYMENT (two parachutes)

HIGH POWER ROCKETRY: DUAL DEPLOYMENT

westrocketry.com...

Dual Event Altimeter. Altimeter is a device that continuously measures atmospheric pressure. The altitude of the rocket is immeditatelly computed from the difference of pressure at the ground level (as sampled during altimeter activation) and currently measured pressure. Dual Event Altimeter is an altimeter with some additional functionality. First of all, it is able to detect apogee and "throw-a-switch" when the apogee is detected (this can be used to fire a drogue parachute ejection charge). Second, the dual event altimeter will continue to monitor the altitude even during the descent and can "throw-another-switch" when a predetermined altitude is reached (and thus fire the main parachute ejection charge). Most of the dual event altimeters also record the graph of altitude vs. time for the whole duration of flight.

a reply to: Phage

Shhh, it was a trick question... lol

a reply to: elevatedone

to be blunt - it is a retarded " joke " - that reduces to " argument " - to the flat earthers level of " thinking "

a reply to: ignorant_ape

Well, there's that too.

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Stop talking about planes - no engine power and they will fall out of the sky -- can we agree on that?

Can we agree that applying force and lift the plane can rise about the "falling attraction" in Flat and gravity in globe.

So plane will fall but to maintain level flight force needs to be applied either theory will have evolved to fulfill the power to maintain required position in the sky. Nothing to do with curvature everything to do with staying UP.

So can we also agree planes don't make a planet flat or spherical, therefore prove nothing.

Turb, you need more evidence to back up thousands of years of existence on your flat earth than a modern plane.

So put up or shut up. You can't accept anything from globe supports but they have countless of provable examples compared to your Zero.

I notice you are afraid to discuss anything but planes and completely avoid giving any details of anything you say.

So have you any pictures from YOUR flights showing FIRMAMENT?

Could you draw a diagram of a cross-section of the firmament ?
something like
----- firmament
---- water
---- sun
---- earth
---- firmament
with distances

Just curious why no Flat Earther has every manage to draw a map of then known flat earth either.

may i propose a moritarium on this thread and other flat earth claims :

its simple - shift the burden of evidence to the flat earth claimants

there are lots of claims - by flat earth proponents - that claim that the spheroid model is " wrong "

but a dearth of explaination - for how thier flat earth cosmology actually works

and how - it explains sightings and experimental datas

so - let them explain thier claim coherently

if they cannot [ and none have so far ]

then thread kill

one example is simple :

the angular motion of the sun - can be observed to be 15 degrees / hour

in the real world [ sphereoid model ] - this works EVERYWHERE on the surface of the globe

in the flat earth claim - it only works at the north pole

flat earth proponents - explain thast away

go .................................

a reply to: ignorant_ape

You assume the flat earthers are here for an intellectually honest debate. You would think this thread being placed in LOL forum (ludicrous online lies) of a conspiracy site would drive home evidence and reality show the earth is spherical.

I am not for censorship at all. But I agree. I think it’s time to close this thread in that flat earthers will ignore honest debate, ignore specific questions of them, label any persons’ testimony who risked their lives to travel space as a lair, they ignore proven science, and abuse this thread to spread propaganda and lies.

And it’s not like a ATS member cannot start a new thread if they honestly believe they have evidence the earth is flat, and meet the requirements to keep their thread out of the LOL forum?

Maybe ATS can have a contest to grant the privilege of a flat earther their own one time Forum / Thread to the individual who can make the best case for a flat earth?

a reply to: neutronflux

i have no delusions that any " serious " flat earth proponent encountered so far @ ATS is honest

and i am not advocating consorship - but rather


every flat earth " talking point " or clasim - has been bitchslapped respoatedly - in multiple threads - by multiple ATS members

what i propose is - just refusal to engage anything that is not a novel attempt to actually espouse the reasons for and mechanics of - this alledged flat earth

all threads tjus far - end in a circular cluster# - turbonium 1 exmplifies this - its back to the aircraft argument - utterly ignoring the previous page - that is just craven evasion

either it posts evidence for its alledged flat earth - or it gets ignored

that simple - let it babble on its own - with just a :

" all above addressed in prior threads "

backstop - every so often

thats not cencorship - thats a reality check

no evidence presented for the flat earth claim = no response

end of

a reply to: ignorant_ape

That’s the thing. They don’t engage. They ignore, move goal posts, change topics, misquote (lie about) what “debunkers” post, pass on intellectually honest debate, ignore proven science, and use known pseudoscience.

There is no science to flat earth. It’s a religion for sure.