Dove Soap Ad Features Transgender Mom, Facebook Censors Critics

a reply to: Raggedyman

You can be Male and act feminine, but that doesn't make you a woman.

You can be Female and act masculine, but that doesn't make you a man.

Sure you can get surgery and take hormones and the like to look more like one or the other, but biologically - you are what you are.

You can state whatever you'd like - but the minute you force others to adopt your view, there is where the problem begins.

a reply to: RainbowPhoenix

Yes you can be any of those things, but the incidence of occurrence is so low it's not even a rounding error on the bell curve of developmental outcomes. This does not make these people any less human, of course.

a reply to: BlackboxInquiry

but biologically - you are what you are.

That doesn't apply to intersex people. Did you know that parents and doctors used to decide the sex of intersex babies. Many grew up and feel like the opposite sex.

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: murphy22

So you do disagree with plastic surgery?

Not sure where the conversation went after I left for the night, but I am opposed to unnecessary body modification.

Necessary modification would be post-accident, or to correct significant physical developmental problems like cleft palates or lips.

I'm generally opposed to cosmetic surgery for the purpose of vain aesthetics or gross modifications like subdermal lumps, horns or studs. People who seek these things have body image issues of their own and should seek counseling instead of mutilating their bodies.

a reply to: Teikiatsu

What about the ugly people?

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: Meee32

Wanting to be treated with respect is an unreasonable demand?

It's not an unreasonable expectation, but neither is it an immediate outcome.

Respect is earned through actions and demeanor.

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: Teikiatsu

What about the ugly people?

Who defines ugly? Is there some type of obvious developmental issue, or are the ears to low or the nose too big?

a reply to: Teikiatsu

Society defines ugly. And some ugly people have hard time fitting in.
So do you agree with it or not?

Personally I don't understand why some people mutilate their bodies (though I understand about tattoos) but it's not my business. I really don't care. It's their bodies.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

I really think it's fairly easy to see someone's intent. If someone is polite and friendly, yet keeps slipping up and calling someone the wrong pronoun and when they catch themselves they apologize, I don't think anyone would get upset at that.

It's when someone gives a trans person the stink eye, makes negative comments under their breath and belligerently and deliberately calls them the wrong pronoun with a sneer that shows their real intent to be obnoxious about it.

Would call an anorexic person 'fat' or a bulimic person 'thin' because that's how they see themselves? Because I will not. I won't be obnoxious about it as you describe, but I will not reinforce a false body image.

a reply to: Teikiatsu

The difference is that they hurt themselves. You don't want to encourage them to hurt themselves further.

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: Teikiatsu

Society defines ugly. And some ugly people have hard time fitting in.
So do you agree with it or not?

No, I do not agree with plastic surgery for the purpose of unnecessary minor cosmetic modification.

Personally I don't understand why some people mutilate their bodies (though I understand about tattoos) but it's not my business. I really don't care. It's their bodies.

Just because I don't agree doesn't mean I am actively working to stop them. We are a tolerant society. People do a lot of things I don't agree with, and I do things other people don't agree with. And that's fine. To each their own. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Where we have a problem is when people want to enforce acceptance of specific lifestyles or mindsets. No one has that right.

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: Teikiatsu

The difference is that they hurt themselves. You don't want to encourage them to hurt themselves further.

I consider reinforcing a person's delusion about being 'trapped in the wrong body' harmful.

I consider hormone 'therapy' harmful.

I consider plastic surgery to mutilate a male body into appearing female, or vice versa, harmful.

I don't encourage people to harm themselves in these ways.

a reply to: Teikiatsu

Where we have a problem is when people want to enforce acceptance of specific lifestyles or mindsets.

That's what I don't understand. People keep saying that others are trying to force them to accept their "livestyles", whatever that means. They just want to be treated as equals and have equal rights. How are they forcing you? Some people here claimed that the Dove ad is forcing them to accept transgenderism as "normal". All they have to do is not watch it.

a reply to: Deaf Alien

Some of the same folks that rail about the "delusion" of alternate gender identities are the same ones that praise and laud the very pointed schizotypal obsessions called religion.

This tells you that they're not concerned about the effect of soul-crushing delusion on children especially, or they'd be crusading to keep them out of the brainwashing of their churches, temples and mosques.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Like how nobody complains about this?

People forcing children to accept that transgenderism is normal? OH MY GOD!!!!!!!! THE WORLD IS ENDING!
And yet they are quiet about that video. And don't get me started with Muslim children.
The cognitive dissonance and hypocrisy is too mind boggling.

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First time I've seen a thread being upgraded, not downgraded.

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: Teikiatsu

Where we have a problem is when people want to enforce acceptance of specific lifestyles or mindsets.

That's what I don't understand. People keep saying that others are trying to force them to accept their "livestyles", whatever that means. They just want to be treated as equals and have equal rights. How are they forcing you? Some people here claimed that the Dove ad is forcing them to accept transgenderism as "normal". All they have to do is not watch it.

Forced acceptance is this push to convince people that transgenders really are 'trapped in the wrong body', that it is 'normal', trying to use psychobable and referring to organization that have been infiltrated by groups with progressive agendas it is trying to shame people into a corner, trying to repeat a lie long enough that people begin to believe it.

Like this:

Some of the same folks that rail about the "delusion" of alternate gender identities are the same ones that praise and laud the very pointed schizotypal obsessions called religion.

This tells you that they're not concerned about the effect of soul-crushing delusion on children especially, or they'd be crusading to keep them out of the brainwashing of their churches, temples and mosques.

EDIT: Just saw the thread upgrade. Impressive.

a reply to: Teikiatsu

What is your opinion of my post, www.abovetopsecret.com... ?

Edit - oh yeah it's impressive. People holding their tongue. LOL. Amazing.

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: Teikiatsu

What is your opinion of my post, www.abovetopsecret.com... ?

Edit - oh yeah it's impressive. People holding their tongue. LOL. Amazing.

This?

People forcing children to accept that transgenderism is normal?

There is nothing normal about it. Statistically the occurrence of people who believe they are transgender is less than 0.5% of the population. That is not normal, it is less than an outlier on the bell curve.

EDIT: and out for the night.