Peter Jennings Reporting: UFO, Feb 24th on ABC.

I just wanted to say that Peter Jennings did an excellent job, and that this special far exceeded my expectations. I was a little bit irritated because I had to sit on the couch and watch it from an odd angle instead of my cushy Lazy-Boy (broken), and the fact that my girlfriend kept asking me questions and being naughty, but other than that I was wholly impressed.

Peace

[edit on 25-2-2005 by Dr Love]

The show last night was definitely catered to an audience assumed to not be familiar with the history of Ufology and UFO cases. But that should be all the more reason to provide ALL angles of each case they decided to cover. If not, the ordinary person watching the show with respect for ABC and Jennings may take his word for it and not bother doing any further research for themselves. When you're trying to capture the interest and inform new people of the subject of UFO's, the Jennings special was NOT the way to do it.

Jennings and ABC should have made it a point to leave the cases (the Roswell segment mainly) more informative and open ended. They failed miserably in this aspect. Roswell IS a very important case with an overwhleming amount of good evidence. To ignore that and blow it off by spending so little time on it and then showing footage of the USAF representitive presenting to the press their "case closed" explanation defied common sense and was absurd. Of course civilians back then could identify tin foil, scotch tape and balsa wood and could differentiate those materials from unearthly alien craft debris. Someone here noted how the show exlpained that eye witness testimonies are not relevant in science...well how is the military's Mogul explanation anymore relevant?? All they did was verbally announce that. Where's the evidence?? The only arguement they have is that on the surface it's a more likely explanation than aliens from outer space...insulting. The amount of information they left out in their Roswell segment is plain out inexcusable. You can bet the average person that watched the show last night is now all but convinced Roswell is a completely debunked case and to be forgotten...and clearly anyone who's done their homework, knows that's not true.

I'm not buying into this bull about how because this is mainstream network television, the show had to be done this way. That's assuming people cant think for themselves. They even mentioned in the show how many people believe in the existance of aliens now, and that polls have shown the public is ready to hear about this. A better way to have done the special would have been to provide several different points of view and possibilites, LEAVE IT OPEN ENDED. Until there is proof either way beyond a reasonable doubt this is the only reasonable way of dealing with it. I was infuriated at the end of the Roswell segment when Jennings explained how Roswell was not the holy grail of Ufology that it was previously thought to be. The mainstream media has to grow a sack and start doing the right thing--specifically good journalism.

It's funny that they talked about how in the 50's, the government started projects like Sign and Blue Book to find a way to "make the UFO hysteria go away". Peter Jennings mockery last night was no different in their blatant disinfo fest that was their Roswell segment.


[edit on 25/2/05 by Meteor_of_War]

It is my opinion that most of the posters have missed the intent of the ABC special. They made two strong points in there protrayal of the UFO controversy. Point one, the U.S. government is and alwalys will be in a position to distort the truth behind the UFO experience. Point two, most whitnesses to a UFO sighting or abduction are not mentally unbalanced.
ABC is on the record for allowing these two points to be aired and hopefully more news medias will follow suit.

Here's how I said this would go, back on 2/3, hehe....

From more about the program, I think I see how it's likely to go though...with the first hour being about man looking up at the stars and wondering, then the telescope, then radio telescopes, to the Voyager plaques, and then to SETI. Then the next hour will likely be the classic folklore such as starting with Arnold, brief lip service to Roswell, including the USAF's conclusions, going through Bluebook, modern movies about aliens and then ending with the inconclusiveness of the Martian meteor, NASA's statements of water on Mars, and possibly even a nod to Clementine's find of ice on the Moon. And this is all probably a BEST case scenario, I'm afraid.....

A Certain element of "spooky"

I dont know about you, but I couldnt help laughing at the "abductees" only because they put on the air the creepiest people they could find..
That woman....creepy...

The man talking as if from a script...creepy...

I love Art Bell, but he looked spooked...

While i tend to beleive some of these stories, you cant hide the fact that some of the people who were interviewed were handpicked to make this story less beleivable... and CREEPY.

I think the tone of this presentation was to DEBUNK and it was meant as a side show....

This was not presented as a "what if" story...

The Phoenix lights was an insult to Phoenicians. Flares? I think NOT.

As i said on a previous post this story was meant to ridicule the beleivers, and it was meant for this new generation to see so that they would keep the ridicule going....

i will say it one more time:

i just want to get this off my chest...

in the show, they said the phoenix lights were "flares"...

how can "flares" be "lined up" perfectly like this:

www.cnn.com...

or

www.ufoindia.org...

did anyone see the new artical in ufocasebook.com it says somthing about project bluebook secrets ABC news but its a dead link anyone know if there is going to be another show.

www.rense.com...


Here's another link i find interesting.

The link about Bluebook on ABC is what was stated in the special...not a dead link on ABC...

Speaking of which, my post on ABC's forum, hehe...

While watching the "Seeing is Believing" special last night, I could not help but be completely awestruck by the complete lack of research done regarding the Roswell segment of the program.

Stanton Friedmann, one of the most respected UFOlogists in the field, was reduced to a flim-flam artist, despite his PHD, that he held top secret clearances, or worked on sensitive government projects.

Likewise it's laughable in the extreme, to assume that so many witnesses, including a decorated military officer (Marcel was made out as a liar, despite his service history of excellence) would somehow mistake tin-foil and balsa wood for something out of this world. Even you or I could make such a distinction, even back in 1947.

It also showed a complete ignorance of the fact that the materials of Mogul weren't classified at all, just the mission objective. Nor did it address the laughable explanation for the bodies, by the USAF in their 1994 report (i.e. that the witnesses saw the dummies from Project High Dive, even though it wasn't until years after Roswell). Weather balloons, and later, even these dummies were well recognized by the ranchers of the area. Indeed, Mac Brazel had found balloons before, and even when participating in the coverup, maintained that it was no such thing.

I'll point the "research" department to some actual info if they are brave enough to even look at it..

Part I can be seen here: www.abovetopsecret.com...
Part II can be seen here: www.abovetopsecret.com...
Part III, Section A can be seen here: www.abovetopsecret.com...
Part III, Section B can be seen here: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Yes, I know that many aren't as vehement about this segment as I am, but to dismiss this to a national audience is to me, a great travesty of journalism......

people...

stop complaining and DO something about it...

like e-mail

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people...

stop complaining and DO something about it...

like e-mail

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[email protected]

Did it already....

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[edit on 25-2-2005 by Gazrok]

another think i find interested about the 1940s and 50s is how the government says that all these flying saucers that people see its all in their heads caused by all the movies and the roswell crash.

but look at the ancient art there are many many photos of saucers and UFOs in ancient art.
see link below

dudeman.net...

back then there was no tv there was not millions of people screaming flying saucer all the time so.

also the alien abduction they did the same thing saying its cause by images in their head from TV and movies and when they get sleep paralysys they see these things.

tere are been reports of very young kids who have never seen an alient on tv or even heard the work alien and they report seeing the same stuff others do. and people living in remote parts of the workd who dont have contact with ouside people very much report seeing aliens and ufos i head alot about that kind of stuff in villiges in the himalayan mountain area.

Originally posted by Gazrok

Did it already....

i know you did and i thank you...

but there are like 20 other members complaining non-stop...

Originally posted by Gazrok
I want to strangle him right about now...

Just spent about 15 minutes trying to debunk Roswell by saying there's no evidence, and clinging to the Mogul explanation...which any rational person can see is ridiculous! They tried to claim that the Mogul project looked like nothing in the air in 1947. Bull#....the public was well aware of balsa wood, tin foil, and weather balloons (especially Ranchers, who often found them). They wouldn't think anything of finding such a debris field, nor is that what was described by many different witnesses (including high ranking military officers).

And now they're going down the Convention path....looks like our worries are starting to materialize....

I'm going to e-mail this joker a link to my Roswell threads. Perhaps I can appeal to his journalistic integrity, more than likely nothing will come of it, but I'll feel better.....

Gazrok, I hear you, but it's obvious that Roswell is the government's ace in the hole, and they're never going to let it go. This doesn't mean that I wasn't disappointed, but, really, what did I expect? I certainly didn't expect them to come out and say that a UFO crashed at Roswell. Hell, I've seen these same denials on other stations numerous times already, so it's nothing new. With that said, I certainly didn't let the Roswell part of this special ruin the whole thing. I thought the whole first half of it opened a lot of eyes and minds of non-believers and fence sitters. Unfortunately, disclosure has to be a gradual process and this was the first small step. I still think we're within ten years from full disclosure and that's pretty exciting to me. I guess we're just going to have to let Roswell go, but God knows there's plenty of other tantalizing bits of evidence that the government won't be able to hide from us.

And if any of you think that Peter Jennings reading my anonymous post on TV has anything to do with my opinions about this special, you're wrong!
One has nothing to do with the other. I thought it was going to be a debunk fest for cryin' out loud, and it was far from that!!!

Anyone heard or read Mr. Friedman's opinions yet?

Peace

[edit on 25-2-2005 by Dr Love]

I certainly didn't expect them to come clean on Roswell, but I wasn't prepared for an unsupported tossing of it either...

However, if this is indicative of the "research" done by the researchers of ABC news, then one really has to wonder about the accuracy of ANYTHING they put on the air....

Originally posted by Gazrok
I certainly didn't expect them to come clean on Roswell, but I wasn't prepared for an unsupported tossing of it either...

However, if this is indicative of the "research" done by the researchers of ABC news, then one really has to wonder about the accuracy of ANYTHING they put on the air....

Let me offer you this as far as Roswell goes, maybe the government's continued denials about Roswell has more to do with not wanting to let the public know that their government's been lying to them, about anything, for close to SIXTY YEARS, and less to do with revealing alien visitation. I think that's why they won't tell us. Does this make sense??

Peace

Perhaps, but trying to dismiss Roswell would actually be a bad move for eventual disclosure, as it would be yet another lie to eventually be "outed" on....

To be honest, I think it's just bad journalism, not a secret agenda, and because of this bad journalism, and lack of research, there are now millions more who now dismiss Roswell as a joke, instead of the turning point that it is. So yeah, I'm a little perturbed about it...

That's fair enough. I tell you what did piss me off was that Pillsbury doughboy who was using juvenile arguments to try and discredit the "Phoenix Lights".
Give me a freakin' break with the "flares" and the "these people are just trying to connect the dots" crap already!!! I bet that dude is bitter towards the world every day of his life. He needs something that he probably hasn't had in a long time, if ever.

Peace

Originally posted by Dr Love
That's fair enough. I tell you what did piss me off was that Pillsbury doughboy who was using juvenile arguments to try and discredit the "Phoenix Lights".
Give me a freakin' break with the "flares" and the "these people are just trying to connect the dots" crap already!!! I bet that dude is bitter towards the world every day of his life. He needs something that he probably hasn't had in a long time, if ever.

Peace

yupp...

check my post (on this page) about those lights...

I have now watched my tivoed program...
I was not impressed... yes, it gives the field a little more credibility,
but at what cost?

it appears to have been a concentrated effort to rid us of the Roswell conspiracy

It also was suspiciously lacking of the veerry impressive gun camera footage from world military pilots... (from american to zimbabwaen, none were present).
you would think they could have gotten ahold of them...
some of the cheesy 3:00am shows did...

Gaz, have you seen the footage i am talking about?
any theories as to why they shied away from the very footage that convinced me totally and forever... that we are not alone....

if they wanted to make real positive progress, then i owuld think they would begin there, instead of some "joe schmoe' witnesses to things that could have been airplanes or helicopters... (since we only had vague descriptions)
great animation... but that wasn't real though was it?
nothing like seeing a real UFO evade a military pilot by performing manuevers that no human could survive...