Peter Jennings Reporting: UFO, Feb 24th on ABC.

Originally posted by XPhiles
Maybe this show true agenda was to debunk Roswell !!!
Conspiracy or what?

In retrospect I agree with you 100% XPhiles.

There was enough balanced information for the audience to take the report seriously.

And then Jennings comes down hard with both feet labeling Roswell a myth and completely untrue. Doctors with their ideas about how the Roswell believers have convinced themselves of the truth of the Roswell incident.

I don't know enough about UFO's to believe or disbelieve. The way Jennings reported this show made me come down on the side of "What are they hiding".

Just my 2 cents worth

Originally posted by onlyinmydreams

Why would they? If I wanted to get the public interested in UFOs I would bring up the best evidence first... not stuff that can be easily discounted (like video of reaction thrusters firing).

First of all, The space shuttle sts-48 video is not the only video with UFO's. There are other video's with pulsing! lights which seem to follow the space shuttle and with Ufo's which show seemingly intelligent behaviour that is incompatible with that of random ice particles floating around in space. I'm talking about lights that do a full stop. Change direction and then accelerate again. And this from Nasa's video's, so the chance is very slim that they have been doctored.

It was a very disappointing 2 hrs. What they should have done is instead of rehashing reports that we have been inudated with for years they should have shed some light on new stuff.
We have been saturated with the Roswell incident and the gov isn't changing the minds of those that were there and experienced it so give it up, show something new.
My husband was watching the show with me and when they showed the footage of the Phoenix lights he instantly said those are weather baloons?
To which my response was really? And why are they all being lauched over the city and at the same time in the same place? But lets say for arguments sake that it was weather baloons. They how do you explain other sightings?
Anyway my point - even though the show was at best entertaining I am sure many people watched the program and at the very least the subject has been brought up again and for the interim it is in people's minds. That should account for something.

Am I the only one who thought that the eyewitness accounts from the military pilots and the police were great???

I also thought the show did a great job of showing how scientists feel that UFO believers are establishing a mythology around their beliefs. The desire to believe overshadows common sense all too often... and this aspect was covered well.

And their desire to debunk also seems to have overshadowed their common sense that numerous people, including high-ranking and decorated military officers, from Sergeants to Generals, can't seem to tell tin foil and balsa wood from something unique and unusual...

did see something that caught my eye.
When talking to Jesse Marcel Jr. they showed footage of an interview done with his father.In this he said that the 'meta' could not be bent,nor dented.As if it was very strong and nothing of this earth.
A few days ago,on the Sci-Fi channel,they did a Roswell special and in that,they spoke with Jesse Marcel Jr. who said that the 'metal' could be crumpled up but would retain it's comp.You could rinkile it,but it would return to it's flat smooth shape.He even said his mother said 'to bad they dont make suites out of it'
I find that kinda contradicting

There were many different types of debris...check my second part thread on the Case for Roswell. One type was the memory foil, another the I beams, and still another was larger pieces that couldn't be bent or dented.

Maybe this show true agenda was to debunk Roswell !!!
Conspiracy or what?

Perhaps, and to a national audience, and with almost no supporting evidence.

if it was really just ballon things then i could understand why they originally coverd it up (because then it could have been top secret) but they keepd it top secret for like 30 or 40 years. so why keep it coverd up for that long?

also does anyone remember what that project was called?

As mentioned, it was Mogul. The special indicated the project had the same level of classification as the Atomic Bomb. That is of course, bull. It wasn't so highly classified until AFTER it became needed as a coverup for the Roswell incident. Or do you think the military has a habit of letting A-Bomb level classified items to just float down in civilian areas??? Not to mention, the materials used in Mogul were all "off the shelf" materials. There was nothing classified about them. Only the PURPOSE of Mogul was classified, and this is even stated on SKEPTIC sites, such as csicop. Simply put, there is NO reason for this project to be classified for half a century, unless it was covering up something else.

Anyone notice the "many" news stories around
the country at the time of Roswell, flashed on the screen ? It wasn't a "local" news story.
It was "national". The whole country panicked. The Army Air Force responded
in a manner to stop the panic. The nature of the panic got worse in 1952.

I'll be getting into this in the next parts of my post series. This went out as an AP wire. It was NATIONAL news. The 1952 panic was due to the Washington UFO sightings (and radar returns, jets scrambled, etc.) and, as stated by Ed Ruppelt, former head of Blue Book, marked a shift in Blue Book from finding explanations to debunking incidents entirely at all costs.

I also liked
the zinger on testimony being very bad science. Even in court (assuming
you have served on a jury) the only "testimony" allowed is direct sworn
testimony. "I heard it from a friend who....heard it from a friend who....
heard it from another you aliens been messin around."
Hear-say is not allowed in court and direct sworn testimony dont get it for
science.

The zinger is a double-edged sword for them I'm afraid. There are numerous signed sworn affidavits in just the case of Roswell alone. I'm providing many of them in my post series in fact...


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no mpeake I did too but I think that less time was spent interviewing public officials and more to what people saw or experienced. That was the discouraging part because I consider myself a believer and yet after watching that program, I thought big deal. It brought nothing new to light so how would a non believer watch this show and go yeah wow there must be something to all of this.
What really got me all miffed us the blonde woman some pyschologist (dont' remember her name) she was claiming that the abductees were having sleep paralysis and nightmares and when put under hypnosis were basically dilusional or having fantasies.
Now why on God's green earth would someone want to have a "fantasy" about being poked at and violated?

Originally posted by mpeake
Am I the only one who thought that the eyewitness accounts from the military pilots and the police were great???

no not at all............my post at the top of this page said the exact same thing.............

angie

I watched most of the show but it was late so I didn't watch the last 15 or 20 minutes (abductions). However, I found the police and military interviews compelling, as did my very skeptical wife.

One thing I found interesting, which was never tied together was that Roswell was around the site of the atomic testing (they mentioned this) and the incident with the bomber turning around to check out the ufo took place outside a military nuke site. I've also read accounts on here of an incident where our nukes were taken offline, supposedly by ufos (might be the same incident as mentioned in the show only they didn't talk about that aspect).

So, it seems to me as if our friends from outerspace might be concerned about our nuke capabilities and feel the need to check in on them. Just a thought.

Originally posted by amb1063

Originally posted by mpeake
Am I the only one who thought that the eyewitness accounts from the military pilots and the police were great???

no not at all............my post at the top of this page said the exact same thing.............

angie

Opps, missed that angie

So here's my take. It was a ratings grabber with a edge. Sure, it didn't cover all the things that we here at ATS know talk about daily, but that's probably a good thing considering some of the topics we have here

All I know is for that breif time when they were interviewing those pilots and policeman, no one could say "those guys are just a bunch of liers". I mean, it's not like they interviewed every Jim Bob sitting on his double wide porch who saw a ufo. No, they interviewed people with respectable government careers, who were at risk of losing thier credibility and jobs for sharing thier experience.

Sure, I would have loved to see a much better Roswell story, but I didn't expect them to get it right anyway. What I really wanted to see though, was a look into the Mexico Airforce Video of the lights that followed them in formation. Instead they shoed a 2 second clip of it during the opening credits with no reference for what it was. They really could have done well to express how our neighbors to the south are extremely open about this and the gov't has no intention of hiding it form thier public.

Why does no one mention Col Corso, a higher up in Pentagon Intelligence who described quite convincingly in his book the Day After Roswell how the crash took place (due to powerful radar which disrupted navigation or electromag graviation), was investigated (including bodies), covered up, and how the technology was seeded into mainstream industry.

Having read alot about Roswell I think his testimony is the most convincing of all. Not only was he not referenced here but was ignored by Out of the Blue and the Sci Fi special.

they talked about how the books that came out about roswell became more and more "dramatic" with added claims of bodies etc. They even mentioned the autopsy vid which I don't remember them saying was a fake.

Why does no one mention Col Corso, a higher up in Pentagon Intelligence who described quite convincingly in his book the Day After Roswell how the crash took place (due to powerful radar which disrupted navigation or electromag graviation), was investigated (including bodies), covered up, and how the technology was seeded into mainstream industry.

Having read alot about Roswell I think his testimony is the most convincing of all. Not only was he not referenced here but was ignored by Out of the Blue and the Sci Fi special.

Well, I agree with you on Corso, but as he himself states in his book, he was not there at Roswell. He handled the debris decades after the actual event. His only first person connection was the body he saw in Kansas. He admits that the information he had on Roswell was simply what was in the reports he was privy to. I plan on touching on Corso's testimony in the "Aftermath" section of my post series...as I do believe it is pretty compelling support for the Roswell case as well.

they talked about how the books that came out about roswell became more and more "dramatic" with added claims of bodies etc. They even mentioned the autopsy vid which I don't remember them saying was a fake.

Unfortunately, many UFOlogists were quick to accept the words of new witnesses coming out about Roswell, without fully verifying their stories. These false witnesses have forever tainted the Roswell case. However, even with them, there is more than enough solid evidence, sworn affidavits, records, etc. to make the case for the coverup....

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I think that they should have mentioned Washington DC being 'buzzed' by numerous UFO's in the '50s. That made national headlines too.

It's unfortunate the Corso's book gets lost in the sensationalism of all the other post-Roswell accounts. If it is taken at face value, and why shouldn't it be, it could be said to blow the lid off the whole thing. Just not sure why it hasn't gained more traction.

******* You can't cover much ground in 2 hours. I'll give it a 7 out of 10 considering it was Peter Jennings and ABC. ********

members, i need your help...

The Examination of the Interactions between Extra-Terrestrials and Humans Research Project

The Roswell piece was an absolute joke.Saddest part is those who didn't have an opinion or knowledge on Roswell will probably believe that pathetic little segway.

I liked Dr.Kaku's statements on interstellar travel possibilities and civilizations perhaps being a million years more advanced than us.Refreshing to see a top scientist with an open mind for a change.

All in all,the show seemed to flip-flop and not make up its mind.In one instance it talks about all these credible witnesses,then in the next,believers are crackpots and 'mythologists'.

It's unfortunate the Corso's book gets lost in the sensationalism of all the other post-Roswell accounts. If it is taken at face value, and why shouldn't it be, it could be said to blow the lid off the whole thing. Just not sure why it hasn't gained more traction.

Well, it's a pretty big claim, and without the debris pieces themselves, it's still just a story, albeit it by a fairly unimpeachable witness. Because of Corso's position, superiors, etc. IF the Roswell debris was put into the mix of R&D to be worked into ongoing research, he would have been in the perfect position to do so. This makes his testimony good evidence, but not "proof". One must consider that if Corso is to be believed, then it was PURPOSEFUL to coverup the origin of the materials given to the military contractors, so uncovering this would be difficult in the extreme...as many records would have been falsified, credit given to inventors who really didn't deserve it, etc. Though he may be a bit egotistical in his book, I believe in essence he's being truthful, and it's supported by other testimony by ranking military officers. Compelling to be sure, but since there are no NEW leads, there really isn't much more to be done about his info. You either accept it if a believer, or throw it out the window if a skeptic...much like most of the really good evidence.

Well all in all I enjoyed the Jennings special and thought it was pretty well balanced. Keep in mind there are many people out there who watched what we would consider rehashed stories for the first time. The police officers, airline pilots, and B-52 crew testimonials were EXCELLENT. I do like the way the show allowed Phoenix lights witnesses to have the last word after the skeptics mouthed off their spheel. It was like the witnesses got to rebutt the rebuttal. Usually, the skeptics have the last word and that's it. Mishui Kiku was fantastic and added a very nice air of credibility during the skeptical second half. You know the SETI lady telling her story of "oh geesh we thought we saw a UFO but it's the moon kind of aggrivated me. One could poke at SETI and her for the infamous "WOW" signal. It has never been proven to be a true signal because it never repeated. So at least admit something unEarthly might be in our skies. I love the SETI program but the scientists are so close minded. That's why Kiku's part was so cool. I am upset that to me the show made Stanton Friedman to look like a hustler or flim flam man, along with others. Somebody else out to capitalize with book deals on the Roswell Incident. Never mind the other great work he has done. It was mentioned in this thread how the show failed to explain why trained military personel could have mistaken Earthly crash materials for something exotic and alien. For Pete's sake, Marcel was trained well enough to know the diiference between Earthly materials of baloons and aircraft compared to some totally unknown and exotic materials . I am sure others at the base were highly trained too and would not have released such an Earth shattering press release of a crashed disk unless they were absolutely sure of what they had. They had to know the ramifications of what such a press release would be! If not....if these Air Force personel were so imcompetent or imagnative to make such a mistake....how in the heck did we even survive the Cold War era?! Hummm...they didn't even touch the Air Force explanation of the bodies or how the AF screwed up because the crash dummies were a project that occured in the 50s not the late 40s! Nuff of that! LOL. Too bad Steven Greer was not interviewed. Also, did you all think the show made the UFO phenomenon seem like just an American phoenomenon? Showing other impressive and convincing UFO evidence from around the world would have been nice.

Interestingly enough, I believe Dr. Greer was interviewed....just not aired...

EDIT: Well the Disclosure Project was involved at one point...(e-mail response to a member)

quote:
Hi *******,

They interviewed some of us during a CSETI training,
but we don't know what to expect since they didn't
let us see any of their drafts or final product,
and haven't kept us informed.

We hope that it's positive, though.

Best wishes,

Debbie Foch
Coordinator

Man, I just saw my early prediction of how this was going to go...."eerie"...

(on the first couple pages...)

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