No way it is coincidence that morality is not taught in schools, Universities

originally posted by: ParasuvO
But you have no problem with force feeding of other nonsense that does not fit the traditional "bad christians" scenario.

What are you trying to say? Take your time and put together a coherent sentence.

originally posted by: ParasuvO
It is the absolute hallmark of masonry as well...a boring and antiquated system that leads to nowhere.

Except I am not telling other people the state needs to teach you something or that you should believe what I do. You would have picked up on this if you were able to read comments critically.

Those that insist that questions need not asking or any rules yet enforce rules and standards..are funny.

What questions am I telling people not to ask or which rules am I saying not to enforce? You talk a lot but say very little.

Luckily in this round it will be deleted along with its Creators.....

Sure it will Nostradamus.

originally posted by: noonebutme
Which nonsense is AM supposedly force-feeding to others?

He's just annoyed I'm not lurving on the J-Man. Most religiously indoctrinated people get agitated and make bizarre statements when you tell them you don't like their flavor of God.

It's the parents duty to show you right from wrong. Though in this day an age you'll be lucky if your parents can get off the Internet long enough to teach you morality. They depend on SpongeBob and Dora to teach our kids how to be humans. Ad a child I learned mostly from sesame Street and Mr Rodgers. I don't believe at all teachers should teach morality. Punish the evil is all they can do. And hope others learn from the failures of others.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

While I can appreciate the thought of dying for everyone's sin... When he was asked to go visit the ruler of the land? He didn't... just ignored the invitation. Then when soldiers were dispatched; like perhaps someone holding him captive and he needs help... he hides runs away paranoid thinking they are after him, like a coward. Then while being martyred wonders why he was "forsaken" that it was not his actions or lack of action in personal responsibility but someone else's that landed him on the cross.

Sounds kinda arrogant run around flipping tables like he owned the entire world saying god was his father... well rulers in those days were thought to be a god sitting on the throne... so the one occupying the chair said well hey let's meet this fellow on common and equal ground. No show. Well, where the hell is he? Certainly a son of god like myself would be fearless to come meet a brother... go fetch him perhaps something is preventing his visit. Runs away and hides scared of the authority instead of being fearless.

He betrayed himself being fearful and got crucified for it.

So if one is going to make such outlandish claims that were not really outlandish in thought of the time? But act like a coward instead of equal to those thinking themselves the same? His mockery put him on that cross of everything rulership or dominion stood for.

It's not that hard to see that... while he had some good things to say; so did Aesop so did many philosophers and thinkers, but they didn't run around saying they were the son of god which meant ruler of the earth, that position already thought to be filled... and many sitting on thrones in that same position as a son or daughter of gods and goddesses. So can't meet an equal? Why...

It made no sense at the time... to run around playing the part, but then failed to meet on equal ground. He had a twin brother supposedly as well; so who was who and who was doing what? If one dies the other could easily be hey check out my hands pretending to be him.

One can be an essence of truth and if one is an essence of truth then why be scared of that truth? Only if one knows it to be fiction. Believe in eternal life but run away fearing for one's life... makes no sense.

So hey, I can appreciate the thought to express truth but not the action that did not embody what was claimed. Many charlatans ran around in those days, same as these days... preaching this that and the other; living lives of luxury off of people's belief whether they have walked it or not makes no difference in borrowed terms.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Oh.... I thought you had pudding.

a reply to: noonebutme

No, because I didn't eat my meat.

a reply to: LesterJust

There is no such thing as morality. It is a human created construct that differs by the person. Thus teaching it would be impossible and prone to all sorts of political fighting and ill content.

originally posted by: LesterJust
You wanna conspiracy, you better be seated for this one.

I've always been good at getting good grades, not saying I am smart just street smart within school context.

Out of high school I went straight to University of Victoria and later transferred to UBC giant well known University in Vancouver.

I've studied all kinds of things and when I needed to build credits I took variety of courses out of pure interest

Schools will teach you all kinds of useful and useless stuff, but they simply won't teach you to be a moral member of society.

GET THIS because this is fascinating

You can have 1-10 diplomas on your wall and in all that time no one bothered to teach you right from wrong.

Oh sure you can take philosophy courses that drown you in pointless scenarios that border on sci-fi

You can take divinity courses that teach religious dogma

Sure you can take sociology courses that teach how morality is in the eye of beholder, as if killing or torturing someone against their will is just a matter of personal-cultural perspective

And students lap this stuff up

Sickening

Even if you go into medical, they teach you do no harm STRICTLY in the context of surgery/healing. Nothing to do with being a moral person.

A society that will teach you anything you want, except how to think morally act morally

Service to self society, everything based on fear and greed.

EXACTLY HOW GOVERNMENT AND BANKERS LIKE IT

say it ain't true

How is it that designers of school programs (guys with PhDs) skip over these:

Tell the truth
Be kind to others
Obey laws
Question unjust laws
Help others if you can
Don't let yourself be used by unscrupulous
Uphold justice
Uphold truth as personal duty
Maintain healthy body

And lets face it, this would naturally lead to :

Measure your leaders and government by the above list.

Oh, now you see why schools don't teach morality.

Here is 17 sec clip

IMO, a group with good morale will work together well, and a group with bad morale may not even be able work together at all unless they are all totally separated and then trained to fill their work orders in isolation;

maybe division of labor is usually better, after the ball gets rolling, but it may be impossible to put any balls in motion if everybody is always divided.

originally posted by: LesterJust


Oh sure you can take philosophy courses that drown you in pointless scenarios that border on sci-fi

Then you truly must have not taken Philosophy, or at least a year of it.

Last I remember there's one call "Ethics 101", and it teaches just that, but it's not a requirement, nor even pushed.

When Universities were set up it was actually for higher learner, and all classes stemmed from "Philosophy", and what one ought to do, but over the years it has been diluted into a money making corporation.

The word "Philosophy" itself stems from two words Latin and Greek based.

Philo meaning the "love of" and Sophia meaning "wisdom". We love very little these days, nor ponder on anything we rush, grab, panic, fear, rinse and repeat.

a reply to: LesterJust

LJ,

I am a college professor in the natural sciences. I discuss ethics, but I don't teach ethics. I have a perfect example from today's lecture. We were discussing chromosomal abnormalities and the testing used to detect them in human embryos. Chorionic villus sampling and amniocentesis. Then we talked about what people would do if they found out that their child had some condition. I didn't preach. I didn't suggest. But I did pose the question: What's the point of knowing, if you would never terminate the pregnancy? And then I told them that taking care of a disabled child requires training and planning. Parents with foreknowledge could prepare.

It's not my job to teach kids what is right and what is wrong. I am not their parent. I am not their priest. But I can share my ethics and my morality. If they pick it up, that's their choice.

LP

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Not to mention, who would even be qualified to teach it? Humans can't even agree on what's "right" or "wrong" with simple things like hair styles, clothing, or relationships.

a reply to: InachMarbank

Even a group with bad morale work together pretty well when there is a possibility to usurp the position of the leader. Hey you might make it to management one day if you can ever make it out of the broom closet.

Best to just enjoy sweeping for sweepings sake... and let everyone else cut each other's throats on the way to the "top".

Slow and steady leaves no grain as a trace.

Morality is a tricky subject.

It is not a Black and White subject. What is moral is not clear cut.

Earlier life forms and most animals are ammoral.

Humans developed "morality" to live together more harmoniously, likely for pragmatic reasons and perhaps there is something even deeper or more significant to the development of morality.

One may consider themselves moral while they eat a hamburger or enjoy other things at the expense or detriment of others.

originally posted by: hutch622
a reply to: LesterJust

And here is me thinking morals were taught at home .

You beat me to it. The best class in morality doesn't come from a faculty, it comes from those with lifetime experience. I've picked up a few tips along the road and what I've learnt is

1.ask a stupid question you will get a stupid response. Ask a good question and you will be rewarded.

2. Making the wrong decisions can often lead to making the right decisions.

8. Learn how to count.

Morality should not have to be taught in schools.

originally posted by: enlightenedservant
Not to mention, who would even be qualified to teach it? Humans can't even agree on what's "right" or "wrong" with simple things like hair styles, clothing, or relationships.

Or even on a reasonable manner in which to deal with criticism you really don't like. See, that's the REAL problem. We know humans are going to find a way to criticise somebody who is different to what they are used to seeing and hearing. It is inevitable.

If you could get rid of religion, race, ethnicity and nationality completely, you would still find a small segment of the population willing to negatively judge another person based on any noticeable difference they can. Eventually the smartest of the population would realise "hey those people are being mean to another person based on something insignificant, but it is actually causing division. Causing division doesn't seem like the right thing to do, but it might be useful if I wish to attain power and get others to do my work for me as well as theirs. Hmm, what if I stand back and wait for human nature to kick in and allow this to happen to such a degree that there are multiple different groups of people who will not deal with each other unless they are forced to?

Maybe I can step in just before there is an all-out war and offer a solution to solve all their problems. Make them remember their similarities and forget their differences. Once I am in a position of power, I will keep promoting these ideals but will not actually put my words into action. Anybody that suspects something is wrong will be discredited and if they will not back down, they will have to be killed. Allow them to find issue with other people's views and let them fight over that. I'll pretend that them arguing over views is acceptable (I'll only step in if they criticise me, anything else is fair game.)" Many years will pass and people will be so consumed with fighting over differences in views that they forget that they are repeating the same behaviour that almost lead to an all-out-war. And when that time comes, somebody else (most likely a descendant of the original ruler) will take their place and the whole cycle will repeat itself over and over again.

One thing we learn from history is that we do not learn from history.

a reply to: nOraKat

You mean ethics... as morality is old world control that does not stop at the physical but thinks it also rules the unseen, when someone is held in not only physical bndage but also a spiritual bondage? That means total control and subjugation of one's subjects that they think they own as slaves right on down into your bedroom right on down as to what you can and cannot even put into your body or extract what is in it without any consent that the one they think they have by way of some authority.

A temple is as a temple does. Holding court inside of it? Choice to do or not to do; to be or not to be; when systematically shaped is out of the question. Don't worry we will find you a place for this "abnormality" that does not like conformity even in evolution of the species to escape from it... we'll called it madness but drug companies need more than one pill unlike police and military when one bullet usually does the trick to remove all we don't like.

Oh so many splinter groups in the lion's paw I suppose? Nope that's a cactus and why we are building a damned wall. Worked great for the Chinese against the Mongols did it? Great for one half of Germany was it?


Wonder if that guy bringing up the rear; likes green jelly beans...

a reply to: LesterJust

Years ago at work there was a push to teach and enforce "workplace ethics". It was taught to the uncorrupted by corrupt and devious slime balls. So yes, ethics are still being taught but they're not what they used to be.

I'm 55 and for me morals and respect were taught very much at home, at school they were expanded on but the initial learning was from home by your parents and it started pretty much straight off. I never needed the school to tell me right from wrong nor did I need to have a moral compass installed by them as it was already in its fledgling form there.

I'm what is now termed as 'old school' (bit ironic for this thread), I help old people, I open doors for people, I say please and thank you and when managing in the retail sector made sure my staff addressed people as Sir or Madam initially, moreover I also as did my wife pass those same ideals on to our daughter, things like swearing were explained as people being too stupid or lazy to use intelligent words and she does not swears, she agrees with the analogy. Am I trying to get a Wonder parent award, NO, I swear from time to time and get told off for it and rightly so but the point is that I continued the chain of command as it were, we passed on the same morals we were taught as kids.

And that folks is what its quite literally gone to pot, you look at many kids today and they are a sorry reflection of the parents, often lazy bone idol slobs who drink and take drugs way too much, can't be arsed (oops, swear jar ) to even go and work let alone taken the education that was FREELY offered.

That is what we need to fix, schools these days completely destroy the notion of 'doing the right thing', they take morals and turn them around to suit others rather than act as they were meant to be used and teach young minds to politically use morals and correctness to target others by making a mockery of those very morals.

Also sadly religion has long since lost its moral compass but now with the rise of you know who the whole morality issue is upside down with people demanding and using morals cloaked under the term 'ideology' to actually destroy lives.

All these need to be fixed, it really does start at home and that seems to have become a rare trait, now its every one for themselves and don't care how you get it or whose life you destroy.

Morality is down the crapper (swear jar 2) and unless we rinse it clean ans start following it again we will continue down the path of self destruction, and lets not forget that war is cash to our so called Politicians and how do I say this without laughing, Moral Leaders...

Yeah right...They forgot the Im before it...

a reply to: LuFri

A business is all about profit how to increase it how to maximize, how to cut anything and everything out of it not needed for maximum profit there is no conscience in such a thing... if it were not for laws and a legal system?

Someone would happy ship you a flyswatter instead of the remote control you ordered... this isn't a remote control!!! Are you sure? It turns something on and off.

So of course it bear benefit to business to lobby and corrupt for the most power and control possible to do it's main function profit at little to no cost.