No way it is coincidence that morality is not taught in schools, Universities

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

What is spiritual fornication?

Thinking about someone not present when touching oneself... is my guess. So don't touch oneself then becomes a rule also.

So extreme to make not only physical laws; morals go on and make spiritual ones too... aka thought crimes; then *poof* guilt is born. Establishing someone into guilt or original sin seems to be the goal.

Even if no one was there to witness being naughty they were, so guilt becomes a way to judge oneself and then keep the whole you're a naughty little child and always will be in the eyes of someone even if that someone is you... concept going as a proxy of control allowing authoritarianism to continue on as a legacy generation after generation as if it is a naturally occurring thing... the touching oneself is the naturally occurring thing, trying to make it un-natural is to deny nature itself. Such a thing should arise by choice not fear as it will anyway... so the feeling guilty about it then becomes a cause for mental illness.

So like in physical; there is freedom and prison they have made the conceptual of such in spiritual called heaven and hell.

Forcing such in the physical when freedom or prison is already existent just makes one a mental prisoner too. They call such in China a prisoner of conscience when such beliefs are held, and if subversive to the public will show them physical prison for disruption in that public. Whether anyone is free to do whatever in private? I have no idea... but it just shows political ideology can go to extremes in trying to maintain public order as the religious moral can.

Secular ethics is clearly the way to go seeing what both extremes lead to. It was what this country was founded on after all... maintaining that has not been easy by any means; as it has seeped across those lines several times as if separation of church and state never existed and in some states it still doesn't... moving back towards secular ethics has certainly caused a great deal of controversy. Add in any other religion and those seeing it as competition like any corporate interest start stirring up their sphere of influence and resistance results. Knowing such is why it gets labeled homegrown extremism.

Glad I don't have such a headache called political office...

People learn morality from their fathers belt and it's been that way since the beginning of time but We in our infinite wisdom have told the fathers to get lost.

a reply to: SprocketUK

I really don't think you can teach morals the way you teach things like math or history. That moral center is built on experience, not information, and morality is based in large part on how strong that moral center is.

I have heard it said many times, the best way to judge a person is to look at their kids (God, I hope this is true!). That's because the kids are around them more than anyone else, and they learn not from words, but from actions. If someone is strong morally, i.e. they always act according to their morals, the child's moral center is strengthened through repetition. On the other hand, someone with a weak morality will act immorally many times, and give the child conflicting information.

This then brings up another question: should we even expect morality to be taught at all? What happens if the teacher has a vastly different set if morals than the parent? Would that not lead to a weak morality from the conflicting information? Is that dynamic not intensified by the fact that teachers change every year, in later grades every period? A child will learn something morally from everyone they come into contact with, but do we need to reinforce the conflicts that must arise?

I say no. That would cause needless pain in the child's life.

We even see this around us, in the growing number of people using "situational ethics," or as I define it, a tendency to abandon morals easily: immorality. That could be seen as the core of the problems many see in the millennial generation, and it coincides with the generation that grew up when education became less about teaching facts and more about teaching social issues.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: LesterJust
You wanna conspiracy, you better be seated for this one.

I've always been good at getting good grades, not saying I am smart just street smart within school context.

Out of high school I went straight to University of Victoria and later transferred to UBC giant well known University in Vancouver.

I've studied all kinds of things and when I needed to build credits I took variety of courses out of pure interest

Schools will teach you all kinds of useful and useless stuff, but they simply won't teach you to be a moral member of society.

GET THIS because this is fascinating

You can have 1-10 diplomas on your wall and in all that time no one bothered to teach you right from wrong.

Oh sure you can take philosophy courses that drown you in pointless scenarios that border on sci-fi

You can take divinity courses that teach religious dogma

Sure you can take sociology courses that teach how morality is in the eye of beholder, as if killing or torturing someone against their will is just a matter of personal-cultural perspective

And students lap this stuff up

Sickening

Even if you go into medical, they teach you do no harm STRICTLY in the context of surgery/healing. Nothing to do with being a moral person.

A society that will teach you anything you want, except how to think morally act morally

Service to self society, everything based on fear and greed.

EXACTLY HOW GOVERNMENT AND BANKERS LIKE IT

say it ain't true

How is it that designers of school programs (guys with PhDs) skip over these:

Tell the truth
Be kind to others
Obey laws
Question unjust laws
Help others if you can
Don't let yourself be used by unscrupulous
Uphold justice
Uphold truth as personal duty
Maintain healthy body

And lets face it, this would naturally lead to :

Measure your leaders and government by the above list.

Oh, now you see why schools don't teach morality.

Here is 17 sec clip

They made me take an ethics class at BCIT. when I went back for my degree. Most of it was learning how corporations ethically justify making decisions that harm the population or damage the environment and why its ok because ethics are all relative. It was a really awful class.


Also, not really about the topic but about UBC and universities in general. I was in a small program at BCIT some of us came after working a few years, some came straigjt from highschool and some came from UBC and SFU. The ones that came from university had a hard time adapting to the work load we had to do. Bcit works you hard. We went 5 days a week 8-12 hours a day and just never stopped having work to do. A lot of the university students struggled with it. They were used to a nice easy workload and not very much pressure put on them to get # done.

a reply to: one4all

I cannot speak to the individual morality, but I would consider the actions of the clerk as immoral based on my morality.

The thief? That would depend on their circumstances, but their actions were definitely illegal.

TheRedneck

I couldn't agree more with that.
Especially the bit about experience. There's just no shortcut to some knowledge.

originally posted by: BigBrotherDarkness
So extreme to make not only physical laws; morals go on and make spiritual ones too... aka thought crimes; then *poof* guilt is born. Establishing someone into guilt or original sin seems to be the goal.

And that speaks to the control that religion has on many people, it is a guilt management system that establishes certain parameters that require the adherent to obey otherwise they are shamed by the other constituents, or worse, by themselves.

originally posted by: hutch622
a reply to: LesterJust

And here is me thinking morals were taught at home .

They used to taught at home and in school. There are other people in the world with you so you need to learn to treat each with respect. Many today have no one at all to tell them this is the way it needs to be. Parents leave it to the kids to teach themselves and as far as school half the teachers never learned to respect anyone themselves.

Things have changed drastically in a couple of generations so now we have games where you walk around hitting strangers with a bat. A country that does not carry some sense of values and teach it from youth fails in every way in my opinion.

originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: LesterJust

Western values have been thrown under the bus by reletavists and solipsists to accommodate their own guilt. Unfortunately it had the effect of becoming a dogma.

Please explain what you mean. I would love to share your enlightenment.

What I mean is, the philosophical nightmare of relativism has lead to our inability to be proud in the Western tradition and culture, and the inability to be critical of cultures other than our own, to the point where we no longer stand up to tyranny and injustice throughout the world.

a reply to: TheRedneck

The look at their children; can be a catch-22 some are well behaved out of fear and others are well behaved from having an example that didn't have to say a word or raise a hand... the difference? One simply talks it and the other walks it.

Morality and Empathy are two side's of the same coin.

Someone with No empathy will have no innate morality, sociopath's, psychopath's, career criminal's, solicitor's/lawyer's, politician's and corporate director's all usually run extremely low on the empathy side of thing's, usually the solicitor's/lawyers turn there off or burn it out somewhere along there career which is how so many end up wealthy from ripping off people whom seek there services.

Medical Doctor's, Nurse's (not those attracted solely by the salary's), Teacher's (most often but sadly not always) and indeed most people in general are usually natural empath's and have an innate morality.

There are also two type's of morality.

Social Morality and Personaly morality.

But these also come in two flavor's if you like.

Cultural moral standard's and personal - usually family moral standard's such as personal honor and respect for the honor and person of other's.

Essentially morality is the core of Christian belief, see yourself in other's, do to them as you would have done unto you by them or other's, as you measure so shall it be measured to you.
It is also important to the Hindu and Buddhist though for a different reason which is very similar to the last part of that analogy, Karma which is the same principle, as you treat other's so will you be treated, a good person will build up good karma (Christian Store up your treasure in heaven) and a bad person will build up bad Karma and have a debt to pay after there life is over, difference in these two religions is that for the Hindu and the Buddhist Karma reflect's upon there next incarnation while for christian's it is paid in there judgement - which is exactly the same thing and only separated by Symantec's and interpretation's of the point, essentially the teaching is the same, feel for other's and do them only good because if everyone did so the world would become paradise, god's kingdom on earth.


In today's society though ethic's and morality are lost in the west, they have been sacrificed on the sword of so called multiculturalism and secular values when in fact those values have never truly been imposed and those using those term's were really pushing secular corporate global control, divide and conquer, destroy there moral code, there empathy and the sheep can then more easily be made to eat there own and be controlled by the elite.

With that you see the error and ultimate failing of the NWO cabal, they are essentially a bunch of empathy deficiant monkey's sitting in a tree and while they are swing an axe at it's root's.

Kind of make's you wonder who control's them?.


So empathy is the core of morality, without it there can be no moral standard that is common and only the barter system prevail's, law is for sale as is human life itself, corporation's run the world and big supposed democracy's fall to there power and become there puppet's until humanity actually wake's up and smell's the ashes of there own funeral pyre.

originally posted by: jkm1864
People learn morality from their fathers belt and it's been that way since the beginning of time but We in our infinite wisdom have told the fathers to get lost.

"Do as you will" new life motto. The kids learn from TV and video games and it is against their rights to tell them something is right or wrong.

a reply to: LesterJust

"If you can't stand up to find the truth within yourself..."

Just about says it all right there.

If you haven't a sense of right and wrong, of what is and is not moral, within you, by the time you've reached school age, then the fault is with you, not the schools you attend.

originally posted by: SeaWorthy

originally posted by: jkm1864
People learn morality from their fathers belt and it's been that way since the beginning of time but We in our infinite wisdom have told the fathers to get lost.

"Do as you will" new life motto. The kids learn from TV and video games and it is against their rights to tell them something is right or wrong.

Ah Do as though will, Alistair Crowley if I remember, a debaucherous and horrid person but perhaps one of the high priest's of the cult' that became the NWO and you are correct that is what the children are being taught, advertising aimed at kid's to force them to pester there adult's, game's that have kill - kill - kill in them and greed is good so that the poor kid in the cheap clothes get's bullied the most or else turns into a bully and takes what he want's leading to a short and violent life.

Here is more on that Evil cult that Crowley started or at least became high priest of, they are a faction of devil worshipers and also this is tied to the older Hell Fire club and it's descendant the Bullingdon Club in the UK as well as the Skull's in the US and many other corrupt and utterly evil NWO cabaal's.
en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: LABTECH767

Better to take that aggression if it exists out on pixels than actual people dontcha think? One of my friends growing up was holding onto a lot of violence inside I mean like wanting to snap and kill people violence; he channeled it into video games and martial arts... really happy and easy going fellow these days.

Without an outlet or something to ground that energy then it is going to build up like pressure and explode somewhere; especially when people are taught that hitting taken as violence is an acceptable form in releasing it onto someone. Even coming from those claiming they love and accept them... it just opens a door to violence towards those one claims to love in the home as a solution to problems... when it isn't it builds resentment and passive aggressive behavior leading to all the teen year drama.

Because one has made themselves unapproachable in communication many times over small insignificant things... so when someone has a larger problem than what got them a beating; where do you think they are going to go too? Not you anyone else but you... hide and bury themselves in TV and video games just to avoid you as a coping mechanism.

So that's healthy?

a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness

The look at their children; can be a catch-22 some are well behaved out of fear and others are well behaved from having an example that didn't have to say a word or raise a hand... the difference? One simply talks it and the other walks it.

Anyone who conducts their life out of fear is as transparent to a discerning eye as a pane of perfect glass. Eventually, they either rebel to that fear and go wild, without any sense of direction, or they succumb completely to it and become bitter old folks who never really accomplished anything they dreamed of.

Fear is never good... it only destroys from within.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: LesterJust
And if system refuses to teach morality
Over generations morality become extinct

I disagree completely. Morality isn't 'taught'. It's learned. From being part of a society, interacting with friends, family, etc.

I would never trust anyone who derived their morality solely from a book, or based their morality only on what someone else tells them to believe.

It took me my present life to come up with my own set of morals - I would be shocked and insulted if it was 'the norm' to derive morality from lessons taught in school.

That's how extremists and fundamentalists are born.

a reply to: noonebutme

Morality is learned, but it should be reinforced at every turn in all our institutions. It does great harm when one of the most formative of the institutions undermines the work done at home by teaching moral relativism and extreme non-judgmentalism at every turn.

Some things should be judged, even if they are only judged for the individual, and some morals should not be relative if we are to maintain a coherent society based on common principles and values.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: LesterJust

If you need school, particularly college, to teach you right from wrong you are pretty much royally effed to begin with.

It all goes back to the family.