In historic break, Britain gives formal notice it is leaving the European Union

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: SprocketUK

As someone who constantly has to stand up for a subset of the American population due to an extreme minority of that subset constantly committing terrorism your words ring hollow to me. It only takes a few to sour opinions of the whole bunch.

PS: What happened to those facts you were talking about?

What on earth are you on about here? Or has the blood rushed to your head and you are just ranting?

ETA I see now, you don't understand what has happened in the North.
I gave you a link, it may give you a slightly better understanding of the situation there. (it could hardly give you a poorer one than that you currently possess).

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

I really think that Britain has cut off its nose to spite its face here, but it looks like this is the point of no return and it has just passed. I feel sorry for the Brits who voted against this. As well as Ireland and Scotland. Good luck guys.

When the USA decides to join a union run by non US citizens where its leaders are uncountable, its leaders manly unelected and headed by establishment #s that are completely out of touch and full of bull # THEN you can talk.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Yes you are and thank you for posting, it's been real.

Sorry for the personal attack.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

A number of people on ATS have been saying both Italy and Greece are about to collapse (I asked them to direct me to recent news articles about this topic but never heard back).

If this were to happen, wouldn't it be worse than the ramifications UK will suffer from exiting EU? After all, we have to see how UK deals with this but it sounds like EU is dead in the water as is

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

I really think that Britain has cut off its nose to spite its face here, but it looks like this is the point of no return and it has just passed. I feel sorry for the Brits who voted against this. As well as Ireland and Scotland. Good luck guys.

When the USA decides to join a union run by non US citizens where its leaders are uncountable, its leaders manly unelected and headed by establishment #s that are completely out of touch and full of bull # THEN you can talk.

I am just a yank living in Europe but this... I always questioned why be in it..regulations pushed by people you cant get rid of, leaders you cant get rid of..

I say good on the UK and I wish them the bet of luck, I have no doubt there will be some rough waters ahead... but their culture is much more likely to breeze through it than the current american culture when our own issues come to a head.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: nickovthenorth

I've already shut this analogy down earlier in the thread.

If you look at the EU as a collection of States then I can argue that is already the case since the US is a collection of states with their own governments governed by a central authority.

Except you haven't really shut it down as you say given that the EU is a collection of countries being run by EU bureaucrats not a collection of states being run by a federal government, we can argue tit for tat all day on this but it doesn't change the fact that the USA would not tolerate being dictated to by anyone other than the USA.

Plus this point still stands-

Possibly due to the fact that we have been a union now for over 300 years and up until the EU take over the people of the UK in general got to vote on UK issues, policies and who is in charge, unlike the policies, Laws etc... made for us by the EU.

Good for them, sounds like the people are going to get what they want. I don't see a problem with that.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Wide-Eyes
While the US has its own problems with Trump, I'm glad I'm not you guys. I'm not entirely sure you guys understand the bumpy ride y'all are in for.

I'm not entirely sure you understand anything about the EU, it's history, globalism, the banking cartels, big corporations and political lobbyists and last but not least the synarchist movement. How about you go educate yourself from some unbiased source's and come back to this forum when you have a grasp on what's really happening?

Also when you snidely ask what does Britain make? well in short a hell of a lot less since it joined the EEC/EU. You should know Britain was at the forefront of the industrial revolution and manufacturing was big business until all the jobs got outsourced to cheap sweat shops in China etc..

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

So Jaguar or Rolls Royce/Bentley dont count...lol

You forgot Aston Martin, Lotus, Morgan, McClaren, Bristol, TVR , Westfield and many more.

And should i add nearly all F1 cars are made in Britain.

Rolls& Bentley are German owned. Aston Martin American owned. TVR are Russian (and don't even make cars in UK anymore). Lotus i think are Malaysian owned.

We might make good cars but we are pants at running car companies.

a reply to: FamCore

A lot of pro-brexit Brits keep saying this, but no one has given me any facts to confirm this.

originally posted by: liammc

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Krazysh0t

More links and info:
race for a 60-Billion Euro Brexit Battle

Like many a divorce, the U.K.'s separation from Europe threatens to get bogged down over money. While the U.K. wants to focus straight away on building a post-European Union identity, for the EU the first order of business will be the 60 billion euros ($64 billion) the bloc says Britain owes it.

So to start with Britain is going to shoulder a BUNCH of new debt for this decision.

The EU says that Britain owes money for civil-service pension liabilities, projects already underway, loan guarantees and other unpaid budget commitments. While 60 billion euros is the top estimate, even the lowest figure I've seen mentioned by any EU official comes to 40 billion euros -- about the same as total U.K. central government spending on education each year.

That EU demand for money is bound to lead to an awkward conversation. One piece of propaganda used by the pro-Leave camp in the referendum campaign was the claim that Britain's EU contributions could be diverted instead to the National Health Service. "We send the EU 350 million pounds a week," was the slogan emblazoned on the side of a campaign bus. "Let’s fund our NHS instead."

That implicit pledge of more money for the health service was swiftly abandoned once the referendum was over. That claim was always absurd; it didn't take into account that Britain gets a rebate, which is applied straight away (or indeed any of a number of other EU payments that would stop).

When we leave the EU, what's stopping us from just simply ignoring whatever debt they throw at us? What could the EU do to make us pay it? Start world war 3?

Your credit rating would suffer greatly. Ignoring the debt really WOULD crash your economy because then your government wouldn't be able to borrow any money to stay afloat. I guarantee this is the LAST thing you want to do.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

So Jaguar or Rolls Royce/Bentley dont count...lol

You forgot Aston Martin, Lotus, Morgan, McClaren, Bristol, TVR , Westfield and many more.

And should i add nearly all F1 cars are made in Britain.

Rolls& Bentley are German owned. Aston Martin American owned. TVR are Russian (and don't even make cars in UK anymore). Lotus i think are Malaysian owned.

We might make good cars but we are pants at running car companies.

You need to catch up.


Aston Martin is British owned along with 37% by an Italian Equity Company.

TVR was sold by The Russian in 2013. It's now British owned.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: liammc

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Krazysh0t

More links and info:
race for a 60-Billion Euro Brexit Battle

Like many a divorce, the U.K.'s separation from Europe threatens to get bogged down over money. While the U.K. wants to focus straight away on building a post-European Union identity, for the EU the first order of business will be the 60 billion euros ($64 billion) the bloc says Britain owes it.

So to start with Britain is going to shoulder a BUNCH of new debt for this decision.

The EU says that Britain owes money for civil-service pension liabilities, projects already underway, loan guarantees and other unpaid budget commitments. While 60 billion euros is the top estimate, even the lowest figure I've seen mentioned by any EU official comes to 40 billion euros -- about the same as total U.K. central government spending on education each year.

That EU demand for money is bound to lead to an awkward conversation. One piece of propaganda used by the pro-Leave camp in the referendum campaign was the claim that Britain's EU contributions could be diverted instead to the National Health Service. "We send the EU 350 million pounds a week," was the slogan emblazoned on the side of a campaign bus. "Let’s fund our NHS instead."

That implicit pledge of more money for the health service was swiftly abandoned once the referendum was over. That claim was always absurd; it didn't take into account that Britain gets a rebate, which is applied straight away (or indeed any of a number of other EU payments that would stop).

When we leave the EU, what's stopping us from just simply ignoring whatever debt they throw at us? What could the EU do to make us pay it? Start world war 3?

Your credit rating would suffer greatly. Ignoring the debt really WOULD crash your economy because then your government wouldn't be able to borrow any money to stay afloat. I guarantee this is the LAST thing you want to do.

The U.K. is not legally obliged to pay anything.

www.politicshome.com...

Good times.

a reply to: alldaylong

From your source:

However, Britain may have to pay the EU to achieve a strong negotiating position about its post-Brexit position in Europe, the House of Lords EU financial affairs sub-committee said.

“Even though we consider that the UK will not be legally obliged to pay into the EU budget after Brexit, the issue will be a prominent factor in withdrawal negotiations,” said Baroness Falkner of Margravine, the Liberal Democrat peer who chairs the sub-committee.

“The Government will have to set the financial and political costs of making such payments against potential gains from other elements of the negotiations.”

Looks like whether it is required or not, even your lawyers are saying you'll be paying something.

Good for Britain!

Rule Britannia!

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Your Commander in chief can be very persuasive, don't underestimate him. Come back to me when I'm wrong.

a reply to: alldaylong

You are right about TVR (alhrough they i don't believe they have made any cars yet.)

Aston Martin aren't British owned. The consortium was headed by a Brit but the money all comes from abroad.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
Good for Britain!

Rule Britannia!

Yup

Our next step is to take you upstart colonys back!

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Your Commander in chief can be very persuasive, don't underestimate him. Come back to me when I'm wrong.

Yeah just look how well he persuaded the Republicans to vote on replacing the ACA, and those guys aren't supposed to be hostile to Trump. Unlike Scotland, who again, I must stress does not like Donald Trump (yes, that is five different links).