In historic break, Britain gives formal notice it is leaving the European Union

Great day for the UK, as i have said in previous threads yes it will be a bumpy and difficult road but we will come out the other end for the better imo.

Underestimate us Brits at your own peril we are a tenacious and resilient lot , we WILL make this work.

As a side note I would prefer the UK to stay as exactly that (England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland) We really are "Stronger together"

We never voted to join the EU in its current form anyway, it was the common market and boy has that changed over the last 40 years without us having any say in it.

The EU is a dying beast that we are better off leaving now before a total collapse and UK getting dragged down with it.

originally posted by: SprocketUK
1, maybe it's a class thing.

Maybe you have a misconstrued sense of how other countries view your products?

2, definitely a class thing. If you are happy with your falling down trousers and training shoes, that's fine. But if you ever want to look good, you know what you are going to have to do

So you are saying that I am unable to buy a belt that isn't produced in Britain? Tommy Hilfiger, Nautica, Ralph Lauren. These are American brands that all sell nice clothes. And it isn't tweed either.

3, exactly, we will see, not "They want to leave" as you erroneously stated.

Actually I was pointing out upcoming speed bumps that will make this transition rocky, tough, and treacherous. I don't know what will happen in the end, but you sound awfully confident that things will just be super easy and all that needs to be done is sign some paper work and y'all are free. It won't be that simple.

originally posted by: nickovthenorth
Great day for the UK, as i have said in previous threads yes it will be a bumpy and difficult road but we will come out the other end for the better imo.

Underestimate us Brits at your own peril we are a tenacious and resilient lot , we WILL make this work.

As a side note I would prefer the UK to stay as exactly that (England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland) We really are "Stronger together"

We never voted to join the EU in its current form anyway, it was the common market and boy has that changed over the last 40 years without us having any say in it.

The EU is a dying beast that we are better off leaving now before a total collapse and UK getting dragged down with it.

It's interesting how you talk about how Britain should stay together as you are stronger while pitching the idea that breaking away from a group of countries acting in concert will make you stronger at the same time. Sounds hypocritical to me.

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

So Jaguar or Rolls Royce/Bentley dont count...lol

You forgot Aston Martin, Lotus, Morgan, McClaren, Bristol, TVR , Westfield and many more.



And should i add nearly all F1 cars are made in Britain.

originally posted by: SprocketUK

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Wide-Eyes

Which is? I can't remember the last time I thought to myself. "Man I REALLY want to buy British stuff today." There are a few economies outside of the US that I think that thought for, but never Britain. What do you guys produce again?

Some of the best, most lethal weapons systems in the world.
The most recognisable, luxury cars.
Some of the best, bleeding edge IT and scientific stuff.
Tweed, lots of tweed.
The sort of shoes that will last you a life time.
Beef that tastes like it was raised in heaven and won't give you cancer because it is full of hormones and stuff.
Beer to die for.
Wine that even the French buy now.
Whisky, Gin and a whole bunch of other stuff that you can use to dull the pain of not being British.

A bunch of other stuff I can't be bothered to quote because it's such a lovely day and I want to enjoy my tea.

Only one thing :
and

a reply to: Krazysh0t

a potential powder keg waiting to go off thanks to this decision. Do you want all that terrorism to spring back up again?

LOL thats like saying Trumps wall will force Mexico to ask for California back next. Are you even being serious?

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: SprocketUK
1, maybe it's a class thing.

Maybe you have a misconstrued sense of how other countries view your products?

2, definitely a class thing. If you are happy with your falling down trousers and training shoes, that's fine. But if you ever want to look good, you know what you are going to have to do

So you are saying that I am unable to buy a belt that isn't produced in Britain? Tommy Hilfiger, Nautica, Ralph Lauren. These are American brands that all sell nice clothes. And it isn't tweed either.

3, exactly, we will see, not "They want to leave" as you erroneously stated.

Actually I was pointing out upcoming speed bumps that will make this transition rocky, tough, and treacherous. I don't know what will happen in the end, but you sound awfully confident that things will just be super easy and all that needs to be done is sign some paper work and y'all are free. It won't be that simple.

I dunno, was watching a program about how the Chinese can't get enough of the New Wraiths and Range rovers only the other day.

I know you can buy belts, it was a comment on fashion sense rather than anything else, since in my experience, the sort of person who doesn't appreciate a proper suit and well made pair of brogues, tends to look as though they just got dragged through a hedge backwards.


I never said it would be wine and roses all the way, but I sure as hell aint buying the doom and gloom people peddle because they are too frightened by the prospect of an independent Britain that they can't look at the facts.

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

No. It isn't even CLOSE to a comparable situation. It's actually closer to Calexit than anything really. Californians asking for their own independence over Trump being elected. Except the difference being that N. Ireland is willing to use terrorism to accomplish their goal and CA is just posturing.

originally posted by: SprocketUK
I dunno, was watching a program about how the Chinese can't get enough of the New Wraiths and Range rovers only the other day.

Sounds compelling.

I know you can buy belts, it was a comment on fashion sense rather than anything else, sinse in my experience, the sort of person who doesn't appreciate a proper suit and well made pair of brogues, thends to look as though they just got dragged through a hedge backwards.

Well you know what they say about assumptions. Fashion isn't dictated by a suit anymore.

I never said it would be wine and roses all the way, but I sure as hell aint buying the doom and gloom people peddle because they are too frightened by the prospect of an independent Britain that they can't look at the facts.

What facts? I haven't seen you post any facts. Just a feel good narrative that we shouldn't be so pessimistic and skeptical because of this vague assurance that everything will work out.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

"Maybe in Britain. Here in the States not so much. "

Yeah, seriously. German cars are a dime a dozen here. They have to be AMG/M-Series or R's to turn heads.

Astons, Mcclarens, Bentleys or Rollers are guaranteed to turn heads.

a reply to: alldaylong

Thanks...I forgot that BMW owns Rolls, but thats a good thing...perfection striving for more perfection.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Thats like saying that there will be blood in the street since Trump got in.

You must have the ear of MI5 for you to think "The Troubles" will start again. Must be how little they teach History in US Campus's

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

Except the difference being that N. Ireland is willing to use terrorism to accomplish their goal

I have to take issue with that.
A minority f people in NI are terrorists and even those are split between Nationalists, Unionists and Republicans.

This might give you an insight into the whole mess, it's not a case of us nasty Brits enforcing our rule over a population that doesn't want us there. (it's an actual link, not a mickey take, since it's an important distinction that many people miss)

thepensivequill.am...

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Krazysh0t

More links and info:
race for a 60-Billion Euro Brexit Battle

Like many a divorce, the U.K.'s separation from Europe threatens to get bogged down over money. While the U.K. wants to focus straight away on building a post-European Union identity, for the EU the first order of business will be the 60 billion euros ($64 billion) the bloc says Britain owes it.

So to start with Britain is going to shoulder a BUNCH of new debt for this decision.

The EU says that Britain owes money for civil-service pension liabilities, projects already underway, loan guarantees and other unpaid budget commitments. While 60 billion euros is the top estimate, even the lowest figure I've seen mentioned by any EU official comes to 40 billion euros -- about the same as total U.K. central government spending on education each year.

That EU demand for money is bound to lead to an awkward conversation. One piece of propaganda used by the pro-Leave camp in the referendum campaign was the claim that Britain's EU contributions could be diverted instead to the National Health Service. "We send the EU 350 million pounds a week," was the slogan emblazoned on the side of a campaign bus. "Let’s fund our NHS instead."

That implicit pledge of more money for the health service was swiftly abandoned once the referendum was over. That claim was always absurd; it didn't take into account that Britain gets a rebate, which is applied straight away (or indeed any of a number of other EU payments that would stop).

When we leave the EU, what's stopping us from just simply ignoring whatever debt they throw at us? What could the EU do to make us pay it? Start world war 3?

a reply to: SprocketUK

As someone who constantly has to stand up for a subset of the American population due to an extreme minority of that subset constantly committing terrorism your words ring hollow to me. It only takes a few to sour opinions of the whole bunch.

PS: What happened to those facts you were talking about?

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: nickovthenorth
Great day for the UK, as i have said in previous threads yes it will be a bumpy and difficult road but we will come out the other end for the better imo.

Underestimate us Brits at your own peril we are a tenacious and resilient lot , we WILL make this work.

As a side note I would prefer the UK to stay as exactly that (England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland) We really are "Stronger together"

We never voted to join the EU in its current form anyway, it was the common market and boy has that changed over the last 40 years without us having any say in it.

The EU is a dying beast that we are better off leaving now before a total collapse and UK getting dragged down with it.

It's interesting how you talk about how Britain should stay together as you are stronger while pitching the idea that breaking away from a group of countries acting in concert will make you stronger at the same time. Sounds hypocritical to me.

Possibly due to the fact that we have been a union now for over 300 years and up until the EU take over the people of the UK in general got to vote on UK issues, policies and who is in charge, unlike the policies, Laws etc... made for us by the EU.

Think of it like this do you honestly believe the United States Of America would be happy to have the south American countries dictate US policies, Laws etc...you don't need to answer as i already know that they would not, simple as end of story.

a reply to: nickovthenorth

I've already shut this analogy down earlier in the thread.

If you look at the EU as a collection of States then I can argue that is already the case since the US is a collection of states with their own governments governed by a central authority.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Northern Ireland is a separate entity. That's what all that terrorism was about a few moons ago.

And? It's still part of your country and a potential powder keg waiting to go off thanks to this decision. Do you want all that terrorism to spring back up again?

Not really but I'm starting to think that you do just so you can be right about something for once.

On topic, it's probably going to be a rocky road but we've managed for several thousand years. I'm pretty sure we'll be okay.

Seriously dark times are on the horizon but you're jumping the gun. When the time comes, we will all know about it.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: SprocketUK
I dunno, was watching a program about how the Chinese can't get enough of the New Wraiths and Range rovers only the other day.

Sounds compelling.

I know you can buy belts, it was a comment on fashion sense rather than anything else, sinse in my experience, the sort of person who doesn't appreciate a proper suit and well made pair of brogues, thends to look as though they just got dragged through a hedge backwards.

Well you know what they say about assumptions. Fashion isn't dictated by a suit anymore.

I never said it would be wine and roses all the way, but I sure as hell aint buying the doom and gloom people peddle because they are too frightened by the prospect of an independent Britain that they can't look at the facts.

What facts? I haven't seen you post any facts. Just a feel good narrative that we shouldn't be so pessimistic and skeptical because of this vague assurance that everything will work out.

Hey, you tried saying that Rollers and their ilk were nothing special, got a link, maybe? I know there are a ton that state how their sales are going up drastically.

There is a difference between fashion and looking classy, fella. You want to be taken seriously in the world, you sometimes need to look the part.

Where are your "facts"? I haven't seen one yet. As T.E. Lawrence famously said, "Nothing is written."
I merely posted counters to your doom porn.

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
Not really but I'm starting to think that you do just so you can be right about something for once.

Being a realist and keeping an open mind to any possibility doesn't mean that I want something like that to happen. Thanks for the cheap shot though. Much appreciated.

On topic, it's probably going to be a rocky road but we've managed for several thousand years. I'm pretty sure we'll be okay.

Seriously dark times are on the horizon but you're jumping the gun. When the time comes, we will all know about it.

I'm reporting on the start of Brexit and voicing my opinion on what this will entail as per the T&C of ATS.