In historic break, Britain gives formal notice it is leaving the European Union

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: ScepticScot

I'll switch it around as well, I'm mates with a guy who runs a cafe/bar for Brits in a Spanish resort. He is invested in business and contributes to the Spanish economy, he laughs at any thoughts his business will be closed down due to visa issues.

He employs Spanish and British workers but has always said to me if I ever wanted a working holiday then just say the word.
Why should I have the right to steal work from local seasonal workers just because I'm British. He is not struggling to find workers, he just knows my UK banter will get more British package tour tourists coming back the next day than the Spanish staff.

Why shouldn't you have the right to work for him?

Why shouldn't he be able to hire you? If a bit of your banter brings in more money isn't that a good thing?

How is having someone from the UK do the job anymore stealing a job than someone from a different part of Spain?

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: ScepticScot

No, the UK did not have sovereignty.
Sovereignty is control over a nation by government. Parliament and judiciary are subservient to the EU until the exit happens.

How you can dispute the sovereignty issue I can't imagine.
Please do explain such a bizarre assertion.

Did he UK have to ask permission to hold the referendum or to leave?

Being in the EU was no more giving up sovereignty than being in the UN or the WTO.

Final say to accept the rules or leave remained with the UK parliament.

a reply to: ScepticScot

Oh dear, I said nothing about the right to leave defining sovereignty.
Sovereignty will only be returned after the exit, you know, rights to set law without being overuled by the EU.
Why are you playing with the sovereignty issue?
A sovereign nation has it's own highest court for a start. You are incorrect, just quit the silly sideline and I'll let it go or be like a dog with a bone lol

a reply to: ScepticScot

Because the country he is trading in does not have a shortage of hospitality workers.
I am not a citizen of the country he is trading in so why should I have the right to work there if the nation does not need me?

Does the rest of the world make you unhappy because you can't just move there to flip burgers?

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: ScepticScot

Oh dear, I said nothing about the right to leave defining sovereignty.
Sovereignty will only be returned after the exit, you know, rights to set law without being overuled by the EU.
Why are you playing with the sovereignty issue?
A sovereign nation has it's own highest court for a start. You are incorrect, just quit the silly sideline and I'll let it go or be like a dog with a bone lol

Ehmm you are the one that brought up sovereignty.

Parliament is and always has been soverign in the UK .

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: ScepticScot

Because the country he is trading in does not have a shortage of hospitality workers.
I am not a citizen of the country he is trading in so why should I have the right to work there if the nation does not need me?

Does the rest of the world make you unhappy because you can't just move there to flip burgers?

That is the point. Being in the EU broadened that right beyond national boarders. To me giving people more freedom is a good thing.

i'M glad most people on here are pro brexit , the generally relied upon to be sensible .

The EPP need bringing into this matter to understand what is really going on . The uk conservative party are one of the few , very few , European political parties which are not actually members of this particular group .

Most people don't know haven't really heard or read up about what and who the EPP are . And so quality of debate is apaulling really , in general , no disrespect to members ats though . You wont understand the gravity of the matter as a whole unless you understand the EPP , what it is , and why it is entirely out of control to have an organisation like that , effectively running everything about the european union , verymuch including Tusk , Merkel , Junker , the whole damned lot of them . It is , and will be 'them' (the EPP alone) who will decide how and with what to meet May's negotiating team .



In my opinion (humble though it's not) the EPP can roundly get f'd , and that's because I'm English . Now meet the other English , and the Welsh , and the Scots . Everyone else is , justa visitor here , in our country , the UK , as of today . #good.

And by the way , lets clarify : the so called SNP are EPP members too are they not ? Like nearly every other European political party . Can anyone wake up enough to smell the sh1t youre being fed everyday , even by the BBC , in Britain . So the SNP are actually European (EPP) _plants_ in UK politics every one , probably , not deserving of our (the whole UK's) , respect . I mean , it's blindingly obvious , the SNP want to break up the UK , and they then want to stay in the EU ? Again , they can go get f'd , they are not countrymen or Scots, but traitors is what they are , traitors . And so is everybody not for Brexit on the people's say so , either through their sheer ignorance or by fact of their associations and payments for their works of undermining us .

Many they are , and shame on em all !

Medals for David and George , however , and Theresa , they actually got us , the UK , out of a modern day nightmare , and they have now put, the monster called the EPP , and its undeserved toolings called the EU , where they belong : on the way to being finished . Those PPE lessons at Oxford properly paid off , God bless those men, and St.Nigel

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: EvillerBob
I appreciate your conviction that Britain will fail miserably, as much as I appreciated your conviction that Hillary would win in a landslide.

I have not conviction about this, and thinking I do is dishonest. At no point have I expressed that I am absolutely sure this will fail. I just don't like the road Britain is looking down and am glad I'm not on it.

Way to make the thread about Hillary though. *eye roll*

Except it isn't about Hillary, it's about the weight of Americans foresight and therefore how much water your conviction carries.

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: Konduit

Tommy Robinson, really! That's who you agree with?

No, Tommy Robinson is just a thing holding a microphone, it's the response from the Remoaners that speak a thousand words.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: ScepticScot

Because the country he is trading in does not have a shortage of hospitality workers.
I am not a citizen of the country he is trading in so why should I have the right to work there if the nation does not need me?

Does the rest of the world make you unhappy because you can't just move there to flip burgers?

That is the point. Being in the EU broadened that right beyond national boarders. To me giving people more freedom is a good thing.

There are 1 million Brits in Europe but 3 million Europeans in Britain, that's a 2 million job deficit. Your children will still have the ability to work anywhere in the world.

The problem with freedom is highlighted when Merkel decided to act unilaterally on immigrants and then expected the rest of Europe to shoulder the burden, if you want a Union, take a vote.

a reply to: Forensick

They have just had the right to live and work anywhere in the EU removed. That is what leaving the EU means.

What decision do you think Merkel made on immigration that affected the UK?

originally posted by: Forensick

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: Konduit

Tommy Robinson, really! That's who you agree with?

No, Tommy Robinson is just a thing holding a microphone, it's the response from the Remoaners that speak a thousand words.

And you don't think it's been edited? Tommy Robinson is a paragon of scrupulous reporting?