Female athletes crushed by 'women who were once men'

a reply to: seasonal

Because there's no such thing as a "trans man" you are your biological gender and nothing else. You can go ahead and think you're something you're not, you can surgically mutilate yourself, you can dress inappropriately, but at the end of the day every chromosome in your body is XX or XY and that's the truth of reality concerning your gender.

Anything else is just an attempt to muddle unequivocal truth with stupidity.

a reply to: seasonal

they should just have their own sport like the "special Olympics" and keep it all separate.
its as fair as you can get this way. otherwise it just gets silly

a reply to: seasonal

they should just have their own sport like the "special Olympics" and keep it all separate.
its as fair as you can get this way. otherwise it just gets silly

originally posted by: peskyhumans
a reply to: seasonal

Because there's no such thing as a "trans man" you are your biological gender and nothing else. You can go ahead and think you're something you're not, you can surgically mutilate yourself, you can dress inappropriately, but at the end of the day every chromosome in your body is XX or XY and that's the truth of reality concerning your gender.

Anything else is just an attempt to muddle unequivocal truth with stupidity.

GENDER is not chrosomes. Chromosomes determine SEXUAL ORGANS. Gender is mental. Learn something for once.

SEX is your penis and or vagina. Gender is MENTALLY how you express your SEX.

How hard is that to understand?

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: peskyhumans
a reply to: seasonal

Because there's no such thing as a "trans man" you are your biological gender and nothing else. You can go ahead and think you're something you're not, you can surgically mutilate yourself, you can dress inappropriately, but at the end of the day every chromosome in your body is XX or XY and that's the truth of reality concerning your gender.

Anything else is just an attempt to muddle unequivocal truth with stupidity.

GENDER is not chrosomes. Chromosomes determine SEXUAL ORGANS. Gender is mental. Learn something for once.

SEX is your penis and or vagina. Gender is MENTALLY how you express your SEX.

How hard is that to understand?

Gender is synonymous with your sex, and it is determined by your chromosomes. It's what you are born as.

What you are speaking of is mental illness. How hard is that to understand?

I do believe people should be able to modify their bodies as they please, switching appearance, sex, and even biological age(eventually, though that one might be quite controversial once possible.).

That said the notion of gender, as in social construct, is pretty meaningless. Sure we expect some behavior of those with particular genitals, say male or female genitalia. But that behavior is arbitrary, you could easily see a society where men are called "women" and women are called "men. And it is the men who wear skirts, and make-up, and the women who wear pants, and most behavior associated by us is inverted.

True some behavior would be limited, and there is a biological reason why these arbitrary behaviors are taken. Men are more visual in their selection of mates, and innately value youth, hence females wearing make up to appease men. While men tended to compete for female choice, hence their competitive behavior. Females tended to choose a strong provider, hence men search for status and wealth.

All of it is meaningless. You are what you want to be, and I do not believe one should place THAT EXTREME IMPORTANCE on a set of socially expected behavior.

Saying you're a particular gender is like saying you're going to be governed by the expectations of society for those with a particular sex, and you will try to limit your behavior within certain expected norms or limitations. As I said most of these behaviors are arbitrary, and there could be societies where behavior associated by us with males or females could be inverted.

PS

Right now, if you didn't start early with hormone therapy, things like bone structure will be irreversibly affected. A feminine looking man is often attractive, but a masculine looking woman is often not so(In fact it is often the butt of jokes.). That said, with early hormone therapy, appearance wise can easily match the chosen gender. I would also say that growth hormone should also be limited to an extent, not sure whether messing with estrogen and testosterone, etc affects growth hormone. But females tend to be smaller than men, so while tall women do exist it is more appropriate to also limit growth to an extent.

Reproduction wise, we will soon be able to reproduce from many other types of cells, through technological conversion into eggs or sperm, so that won't be an issue.

A problem which I'm not sure is currently fixed, is the issue of full functionality and nerve connections in sex change surgery. As for those who did not undergo hormone therapy in youth, at least for MTF, it seems they will have to wait for more radical technologies at least in many cases, if they want to attain a better physical match with a particular sex.

PPS

That said, I've heard that even concerning those of a particular sex, undergoing androgen therapy for medical conditions, there has been cheating and rampant abuse, resulting in the banning of use of hormone therapy even for medical use in some sports. Do not know if the claims are right, but if it is indeed too difficult to police, at least until better policing methods are in place limitations should be put.

Here's where liberalism loses its sense. Trying to make everything the same.

There are nuances in life that we have to accept or we go out of balance.

What happens when, for example, children want to play in grownup sports?

Or want to drive when their twelve. Why not

Or woman wants to box men or play football against men.

Do we allow that and watch people get seriously hurt?

The reality is that there is a physiological difference in the genders.

Its clear and when it comes too sports it is unfair to have men contesting against woman.

Isn’t this idea suppose to be about fairness ultimately….justice, what’s right.

The best idea is to have a transgender Olympics or sports just as if they have (no meaning to associate them with this) handicapped Olympics.

The problem with that is there aren’t enough of them to form any organized leagues or competition.


Until then they should compete with the men

originally posted by: veracity

originally posted by: jellyrev
Who are we defending?
Most Women want this. In a world where only men opinions matters this foolery would not exist. The fastest way to change women's minds is too let them have it full bore.
This does not effect men, let women have this one play out to its logical conclusion. Let them own it.

what are you anti-women too?

Let's see.
I disagreed with the policy and called it foolery.
I noted that women tend to be more in favor of this policy.
I then said we should give in and let women have this issue, and to take ownership of it.

I am anti-women because I called a policy foolery, noted the political stances on average of genders, and want to give ownership of the policy to women. Which thing made you believe I was anti-woman?
1."foolery"
2. noting average political beliefs
3. Letting women take responsibility over a policy? A policy that mainly affects them.

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originally posted by: veracity

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: veracity

This is a sticky topic.

I think the fact that a person decides to transition to the other sex shouldn't mean that natural women, in this case, should face a superior athlete.

I also think that it sounds like segregation suggesting that separate leagues be set up.

It is a mess, and stepping on toes is going to happen. But who's toes?

Let the men (even trans men) compete in the men's sports and the women (including trans women) compete in women's sports.

I really do not understand why this is so complicated. No one knows (unless close friend, relative) that the male/female is trans or not. Sooooo...why does it matter? It never mattered before? Why now? Are we looking at privates before game time?

Trans women? Black women aren't allowed to compete either.
www.insider.com...

a reply to: justinacolmena

Trans women? Black women aren't allowed to compete
either.

Excuse me for stating this, but your apprehension is off.
Either that or you're being intentionally disingenuous
to fuel more race related BS.

Christine Mboma was requested for a gender test not
because she is black, but because a fellow competitor
believes Christine Mboma is actually a man.

After viewing many Olympic events Christine Mboma
isn't the only one that should be tested.

originally posted by: seasonal
Here in the US there is a growing trend to have trans males join regular women's teams. There has been controversy.

You’ve heard the expression, “Boys will be boys.” But what happens when a brawny boy wants to be one of the girls – fiercely competing with females in weightlifting, brutally tackling girls on the football field or even dealing powerful knockout punches to ladies in a mixed martial-arts cage?

It’s now happening across America and around the world
Read more at www.wnd.com...

With trans men joining women in the field of sports, an odd thing is happening. The trans men are dominating a bunch of sports. So the movement of equality is now turned into a paradox, the gender gap in sports cannot be erased, but we must be fair.

TextBiological males are joining women’s teams, smashing records and dominating in sports such as weightlifting, softball, cycling, track, wrestling, football, volleyball, dodgeball, handball, cricket, golf, basketball and mixed martial arts.

The movement for “equality” has apparently inspired transgender athletes to join teams of their preferred gender. And that often means biological males are competing against biological females on women’s teams. But in the world of sports, critics argue, equality between the sexes simply doesn’t exist. Physiologically speaking, there’s a gender gap between men and women that cannot be erased.

Men have longer and larger bones, giving men mechanical advantages over women. Muscles, being taller, larger frames, tougher ligaments all give men an advantage over women when it comes to sports. So is it fair with men who have larger lungs, hearts, greater strength and acceleration even fair to have them on the same field as women?

On average, men have longer and larger bones, which gives them mechanical advantages over women, since they have greater leverage, increased height and larger frames to support muscle. Their bones are also more dense, and they have tougher ligaments, making them less prone to sports injury.

Since these physical and physiological factors give most men a clear competitive edge in sports, is it fair or even safe for biological males – with larger muscle mass, hearts and lungs and greater strength, acceleration and speed – to compete against girls and women?

December 9, 2021

MEN WHO ARE NOW WOMEN SHOULD NOT COMPETE AGAINST WOMEN!

EXCLUSIVE: While University of Pennsylvania transgender swimmer Lia Thomas, who spent three years at the Ivy League school swimming as a male, has been busy smashing female pool records, friction has been building within the team, according to a Penn female swimmer who said she feared for her ability to find employment after graduating from college for sharing her honest opinion about a transgender teammate.

For that reason, OutKick is granting her anonymity to speak out.

Here: www.foxnews.com...

Men athletes should be embarrassed competing against and beating females like this. Sports authorities should NOT allow it.

a reply to: carewemust

The UPenn example is particularly egregious.