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originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: UKTruth

I did not say "the direct orders of the Obama admin cabinet members". That we do not know and can not yet say, and given that I did not say it, I don't have to prove it.

If the orders did not come from the Obama admin or we do not know who ordered it, how can you make that specific claim?

I said the Obama administration was spying on the Trump campaign.

I know. Which cabinet member ordered for that spying to take place? It appears you claim we do not know what we need to know, but you know that which we do not know.

Simply because Executive Branch policy mandates the FBI. All very simple.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: SBMcG

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: SBMcG

World Net Daily???

I rest my case.

I figured you would like a WND link, but it was the one I had hand in my notes with the Nunes clip where he went down the list of all the ways Obama spied on Trump.

Are you telling me that's a fake Nunes in that video?

I'm telling you that Nunes doesn't say what you're saying he does.

Nunes, on Friday stated (and I am not quoting) that there was no illegal acts involved in the documents he went running to the White House about (and if there was illegal "unmasking" it would be, er, illegal).

He said that there was nothing to substantiate Mr. Trump's tweets.

He stated that he was not going to reveal his sources (which makes him "Fake News" in some people's eyes here).

Etc. etc. etc.

Seriously though ... you have to keep "notes" to keep up with conversations? LOL.

Nunes is clearly telling the truth here -- Obama spied on Trump.

Again, Obama has a long and established history of spying on Americans and foreign allies, including American reporters.

It appears the NSA has so much additional evidence of Obama spying that they needed extra time to get it to the House Intel Committee. According to Nunes, the committee should have that evidence later this week.

a reply to: UKTruth

You were referring to parsing every word for exact meaning. As you think it so silly I assumed you would not be such a hypocrite as to hold Trump to a standard you think silly when applied to someone else.

What standards are you speaking of?

I'll assume you agree Trump was not lying as opposed to being a hypocrite.

Again, I was not speaking about anything Trump has said.

ETA: ... I forgot...

WTF are you talking about?

Too many beers tonight?

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: UKTruth

You were referring to parsing every word for exact meaning. As you think it so silly I assumed you would not be such a hypocrite as to hold Trump to a standard you think silly when applied to someone else.

What standards are you speaking of?

I'll assume you agree Trump was not lying as opposed to being a hypocrite.

Again, I was not speaking about anything Trump has said.

ETA: ... I forgot...

WTF are you talking about?

Too many beers tonight?

You were upset enough to chime in because a poster was called a liar for not accurately stating what they meant.
Like I said, I'll assume you are not one of those calling Trump a liar, after all that would be just too hypocritical.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: UKTruth

I did not say "the direct orders of the Obama admin cabinet members". That we do not know and can not yet say, and given that I did not say it, I don't have to prove it.

If the orders did not come from the Obama admin or we do not know who ordered it, how can you make that specific claim?

I said the Obama administration was spying on the Trump campaign.

I know. Which cabinet member ordered for that spying to take place? It appears you claim we do not know what we need to know, but you know that which we do not know.

Simply because Executive Branch policy mandates the FBI. All very simple.

So it was policy that drove the FBI's actions and not the direct actions of the Obama admin cabinet members.

Glad we could clear that up.

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: UKTruth

I did not say "the direct orders of the Obama admin cabinet members". That we do not know and can not yet say, and given that I did not say it, I don't have to prove it.

If the orders did not come from the Obama admin or we do not know who ordered it, how can you make that specific claim?

I said the Obama administration was spying on the Trump campaign.

I know. Which cabinet member ordered for that spying to take place? It appears you claim we do not know what we need to know, but you know that which we do not know.

Simply because Executive Branch policy mandates the FBI. All very simple.

So it was policy that drove the FBI's actions and not the direct actions of the Obama admin.

Glad we could clear that up.

Yes.

So like I said the Obama administration was spying on Trump's campaign. It was all pretty obvious a while back, not sure what took you so long.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: UKTruth

You were referring to parsing every word for exact meaning. As you think it so silly I assumed you would not be such a hypocrite as to hold Trump to a standard you think silly when applied to someone else.

What standards are you speaking of?

I'll assume you agree Trump was not lying as opposed to being a hypocrite.

Again, I was not speaking about anything Trump has said.

ETA: ... I forgot...

WTF are you talking about?

Too many beers tonight?

You were upset enough to chime in because a poster was called a liar for not accurately stating what they meant.
Like I said, I'll assume you are not one of those calling Trump a liar, after all that would be just too hypocritical.

Stop wasting my time. Can you prove what you claim or not?

I do not care about about your assumptions.

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: UKTruth

You were referring to parsing every word for exact meaning. As you think it so silly I assumed you would not be such a hypocrite as to hold Trump to a standard you think silly when applied to someone else.

What standards are you speaking of?

I'll assume you agree Trump was not lying as opposed to being a hypocrite.

Again, I was not speaking about anything Trump has said.

ETA: ... I forgot...

WTF are you talking about?

Too many beers tonight?

You were upset enough to chime in because a poster was called a liar for not accurately stating what they meant.
Like I said, I'll assume you are not one of those calling Trump a liar, after all that would be just too hypocritical.

Stop wasting my time. Can you prove what you claim or not?

I do not care about about your assumptions.

One only has to read up for your interjection on the point I raise.
Your time is your own, fella. You choose to be here.

a reply to: UKTruth

Yes.

So it wasn't the direct actions of the Obama admin, but instead longstanding policy.

At least you admit it.

So like I said the Obama administration was spying on Trump's campaign.

Which is it? You are contradicting yourself.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: UKTruth

You were referring to parsing every word for exact meaning. As you think it so silly I assumed you would not be such a hypocrite as to hold Trump to a standard you think silly when applied to someone else.

What standards are you speaking of?

I'll assume you agree Trump was not lying as opposed to being a hypocrite.

Again, I was not speaking about anything Trump has said.

ETA: ... I forgot...

WTF are you talking about?

Too many beers tonight?

You were upset enough to chime in because a poster was called a liar for not accurately stating what they meant.
Like I said, I'll assume you are not one of those calling Trump a liar, after all that would be just too hypocritical.

Stop wasting my time. Can you prove what you claim or not?

I do not care about about your assumptions.

One only has to read up for your interjection on the point I raise.
Your time is your own, fella. You choose to be here.

And you cannot prove what you claim.

Duly noted.

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: UKTruth

Yes.

So it wasn't the direct actions of the Obama admin, but instead longstanding policy.

At least you admit it.

So like I said the Obama administration was spying on Trump's campaign.

Which is it? You are contradicting yourself.

Nope.
I correctly stated that the Obama Administration spied on the Trump campaign.

You introduced language of who ordered it from his cabinet and then asked me to prove your straw man LOL.

a reply to: UKTruth

A poster was called a liar for using the precise language you've been insisting on for days.

Most would recognize that as hypocrisy.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: UKTruth

A poster was called a liar for using the precise language you've been insisting on for days.

Most would recognize that as hypocrisy.

I think we've already established that you don't think we should hold people to precise language and I agree with that approach. No more need to argue about it, as we must both agree that we can't hold Trump to the precise language he uses.
It's taken you a long time to realise this truth, but I am very glad you finally got there. I am proud of you.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: UKTruth

Yes.

So it wasn't the direct actions of the Obama admin, but instead longstanding policy.

At least you admit it.

So like I said the Obama administration was spying on Trump's campaign.

Which is it? You are contradicting yourself.

Nope.
I correctly stated that the Obama Administration spied on the Trump campaign.

You introduced language of who ordered it from his cabinet and then asked me to prove your straw man LOL.

All presidential admins, by definition, are comprised of members of his cabinet.

Which cabinet member ordered the spying to occur?

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: UKTruth

Yes.

So it wasn't the direct actions of the Obama admin, but instead longstanding policy.

At least you admit it.

So like I said the Obama administration was spying on Trump's campaign.

Which is it? You are contradicting yourself.

Nope.
I correctly stated that the Obama Administration spied on the Trump campaign.

You introduced language of who ordered it from his cabinet and then asked me to prove your straw man LOL.

All presidential admins, by definition, is comprised of members of his cabinet.

Which cabinet member ordered the spying to occur?

The DoJ mandates the FBI through policy.
So, the Obama administration spied on the Trump campaign.
You are not going to change the facts, old bean, no matter how much you chase your tail.

a reply to: UKTruth

And yet you called me a liar for doing so.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: UKTruth

And yet you called me a liar for doing so.

Sometimes holding up a mirror to a persons flaws is the only way to show them the error of their ways.
I am glad it helped you realise that you should not be holding Trump to his exact words.
Lets call it progress.

a reply to: UKTruth

Let's not. Let's call it what it is. You've been desperately reinterpreting the Presidents tweets for days. I used spying in a generic reference and wiretapping in a specific way. Yet that's lying to you.

You're trying to have it both ways.

Was I lying or not when I referred to spying?

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: UKTruth

Yes.

So it wasn't the direct actions of the Obama admin, but instead longstanding policy.

At least you admit it.

So like I said the Obama administration was spying on Trump's campaign.

Which is it? You are contradicting yourself.

Nope.
I correctly stated that the Obama Administration spied on the Trump campaign.

You introduced language of who ordered it from his cabinet and then asked me to prove your straw man LOL.

All presidential admins, by definition, is comprised of members of his cabinet.

Which cabinet member ordered the spying to occur?

The DoJ mandates the FBI through policy.
So, the Obama administration spied on the Trump campaign.
You are not going to change the facts, old bean, no matter how much you chase your tail.

Did the DoJ head specifically order spying on the Trump campaign?

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: UKTruth

Let's not. Let's call it what it is. You've been desperately reinterpreting the Presidents tweets for days. I used spying in a generic reference and wiretapping in a specific way. Yet that's lying to you.

You're trying to have it both ways.

Was I lying or not when I referred to spying?

I think you understand the lesson very well.
Toodle pip.