Rape focuses critical attention on Dems 'sanctuary' states - Maryland

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Shangralah

Well we don't do death by firing squad anymore and even then rape isn't a crime that capital punishment can be attached to. Your emotions are showing here. Though I'm sure we'll end up deporting them. I just feel like we'd have better control over their actions in preventing an action like this from happening if we kept them stateside in our own jails.

Our laws are for Americans. If an Illegal gets caught doing something so heinous then we should respond accordingly.

Hang these idiots in the street and let people pelt them with rocks. Time to go old school lol. They should literally crucify them for raping a 14 year old American girl.

Its like we let them live in our home and they raped our daughter.

a reply to: Vasa Croe

Well I don't consider someone who shoplifted a candy bar the same level of deviant as someone who burgled a house and stole their Van Gough painting the same way I don't consider crossing the border the same level of deviancy as literally any other crime. In fact, I consider it to be a victimless crime. A category of crime that I consider to be the least offensive of all crimes. Things like prostitution, drug use, gambling.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

I'll keep going then. It's not like there isn't plenty of evidence that makes all this anti-immigrant rhetoric look silly or anything.
No Evidence Sanctuary Cities ‘Breed Crime’
Sanctuary Cities Have Lower Crime Rates

Study 3

Keep going, but none of it answers my question. What is the benefit of a sanctuary city?

Is your answer lower crime rates? If that's the case, let's fill every city with illegal immigrants, and crime will disappear.

a reply to: Shangralah

The Bill of Rights applies to all people within this country and trying to enter it; not just Americans. Illegals are afforded every right a full citizen is in correspondence with the law whether you like it or not. And if you don't like it, take it up with our founding fathers.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Why don't you tell me why they are a dire problem in need of fixing instead?

originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: worldstarcountry

a reply to: theantediluvian These violent criminals would not have crimes had the local authorities not been prevented from enforcing the law, specifically immigration law. That is the point. It really is so simple, one does not even need to be a first year law student to understand it.

I understood the argument just fine. After all, this sort of political fearmongering is generally intended to be simple enough that any 'ol moron can understand, right?

The problem is that it's a stupid argument, a base appeal to emotion that requires irrational thinking to accept as valid.

If the rapists had been Muslim, it would have been construed as evidence of how rape-y Muslims are. If the rapists had been black, there'd be some jackass blathering about #BLM, Chicago, the "criminality of blacks" (and how we're "not allowed to talk about it") and if we were super lucky, some crap about Obama and "if he had a son."

Let's not ignore the obvious here.

"The point" of this fearmongering is to foster the impression that illegal immigrants are more likely to be violent criminals who will rape our innocent native born daughters. Never mind that the statistics don't bear that out. Never mind that the legal status of the perpetrators had absolutely nothing to do with the crime they are accused of committing. This isn't about reasoned thought, it's about primal fear and manipulation.

Actually the legal status of the perpetrator has everything to do with it. Had the government enforced the law this girl would not have been raped by these 2. It's black and white...they were here illegally and should not have been here.

Somebody can't read.


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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

That's where you're wrong. It is an egregious crime committed by illegal immigrants that might have not occurred had the city enforced federal law. It would be the same for any despicable act.

The same could be used to argue against procreation. We can be fairly certain that at least some of those bundles of joy that people proudly announce on Facebook will grow up to be violent criminals who commit heinous crimes.

Every birth avoided is therefore one less opportunity for a criminal to be born.

originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

That's where you're wrong. It is an egregious crime committed by illegal immigrants that might have not occurred had the city enforced federal law. It would be the same for any despicable act.

The same could be used to argue against procreation. We can be fairly certain that at least some of those bundles of joy that people proudly announce on Facebook will grow up to be violent criminals who commit heinous crimes.

Every birth avoided is therefore one less opportunity for a criminal to be born.

Birth. The issue facing the world today. You could run on that campaign promise.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Vasa Croe

Well I don't consider someone who shoplifted a candy bar the same level of deviant as someone who burgled a house and stole their Van Gough painting the same way I don't consider crossing the border the same level of deviancy as literally any other crime. In fact, I consider it to be a victimless crime. A category of crime that I consider to be the least offensive of all crimes. Things like prostitution, drug use, gambling.

I wonder how victimless that little girl felt when she was raped by these "loaf of bread thieves"....

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Why don't you tell me why they are a dire problem in need of fixing instead?

It's illegal. A nation without borders is not a nation.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Why don't you tell me why they are a dire problem in need of fixing instead?

It's illegal. A nation without borders is not a nation.

I was hoping for an explanation that didn't rely on political rhetoric that you can speak from rote memory. I just gave you a bunch of studies showing that sanctuary cities really aren't a threat to our country and your only response to this is that these people are illegal? Well how about we just legalize them? It's just a stroke of a pen.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Vasa Croe

Well I don't consider someone who shoplifted a candy bar the same level of deviant as someone who burgled a house and stole their Van Gough painting the same way I don't consider crossing the border the same level of deviancy as literally any other crime. In fact, I consider it to be a victimless crime. A category of crime that I consider to be the least offensive of all crimes. Things like prostitution, drug use, gambling.

I actually agree with you crossing the border is a victimless crime. And I am all for people crossing just trying to get a better life. Even illegal ones, I understand its hard to do it legally and a long wait and some people need to get here and make some money right now so their family can eat back home.

Getting here illegally im all for giving them a pass, but when they come here and commit other crimes after crossing illegally why are liberals so against deporting them?

The only answer i got is TRUMP said it so we disagree. Its all so childish.

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Vasa Croe

Well I don't consider someone who shoplifted a candy bar the same level of deviant as someone who burgled a house and stole their Van Gough painting the same way I don't consider crossing the border the same level of deviancy as literally any other crime. In fact, I consider it to be a victimless crime. A category of crime that I consider to be the least offensive of all crimes. Things like prostitution, drug use, gambling.

I wonder how victimless that little girl felt when she was raped by these "loaf of bread thieves"....

Strawman. I never claimed that rape was a victimless crime. Keep the topic straight and stop twisting my words please. I'm speaking to you civilly, I expect you to do the same to me.

a reply to: Vasa Croe

When people start with "So" followed by their own wording that is completely different to what I wrote makes me smile as I see you are stretching and struggling to focus on what I said.
No I didn't say anything about letting in "more rapists" and nor did ramble off on some unrelated tangent about gun laws....my job is done

Reread my post (you've even quoted it) before you start the "so your view is" scramble...

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Shangralah

The Bill of Rights applies to all people within this country and trying to enter it; not just Americans. Illegals are afforded every right a full citizen is in correspondence with the law whether you like it or not. And if you don't like it, take it up with our founding fathers.

Again I agree but not once you rape our daughter.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Why don't you tell me why they are a dire problem in need of fixing instead?

It's illegal. A nation without borders is not a nation.

I was hoping for an explanation that didn't rely on political rhetoric that you can speak from rote memory. I just gave you a bunch of studies showing that sanctuary cities really aren't a threat to our country and your only response to this is that these people are illegal? Well how about we just legalize them? It's just a stroke of a pen.

Should the law be followed? I don't feel I need to argue that point.

You also gave me evidence that illegal immigrants are more likely to be incarcerated than legal ones.

a reply to: Shangralah

I'm not AGAINST deporting them. I just feel like there is a better solution with keeping repeat offenders here in our own prisons because deportation clearly isn't curbing their behavior and is just putting more Americans at risk from their deviancy.

I hope everyone can agree that raping children is bad.

What not everyone agrees with is, "are illegal aliens breaking the law?"

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

Should the law be followed? I don't feel I need to argue that point.

That's the debate for the ages. This country was founded on bucking authority.

You also gave me evidence that illegal immigrants are more likely to be incarcerated than legal ones.

And? What is that supposed to mean to you? To me that just says that illegals are more likely to be incarcerated because they were picked up for being illegal immigrants. Not because they happen to be ACTUAL criminal deviants.