Are There Any Black People Mentioned In The Bible?

a reply to: Krazysh0t

TextBut you DID followup that there is more evidence of Jesus' existence than Plato, which is untrue because there is no evidence of Jesus' existence. At least not directly. Just like with Plato.

But I believe there is evidence but no proof. Clement of Rome was the disciple of the apostle John and became the third pope of Rome, He sat under the the teachings of the apostle John and also had personal contact with the apostle Paul as is written in Clements letter to the Corinthians. It is believed that the apostle John died shortly before Clement of Rome died. Clement of Rome died in 110 C.E.. How do you get proof and who is in charge of proof?

a reply to: Krazysh0t

What we do have is The Platonic Academy.

"Academy, Greek Academeia, Latin Academia, in ancient Greece, the academy, or college, of philosophy in the northwestern outskirts of Athens, where Plato acquired property about 387 bc and used to teach. At the site there had been an olive grove, park, and gymnasium sacred to the legendary Attic hero Academus (or Hecademus)."

Encyclopedia Britannica Plato Academy

originally posted by: odzeandennz
everyone in the bible had blonde hair and blue eyes.

proven easily. show a christian millenial or teenager a photo of what archaeologist think jesus might have looked like; you know in a time where hygiene wasnt great, and everyone walked everywhere, no plumbing, and less than stellar food options, and the locations where most bible 'dwellers' would roam and have bare children. and then show a picture of jesus with blonde hair and blue eyes, and see which they choose.

i know Jesus personally, as I mentioned before, he's the 2nd one...

a reply to: TheAlleghenyGentleman

www.bethinking.org...

a reply to: Krazysh0t

By that logic, how many ancients had their works dictated by an apprentice or scribe? I dare say no pope, king or Caesar wrote their own either, but by the hand of another.

a reply to: TheAlleghenyGentleman

And we have the tomb bought for Jesus by Joseph of Arimathea, or the temple mount bought and developed by King David and Solomon. I guess they exist too by the Platonic Academy paper trail qualifier

a reply to: Butterfinger

I guess my main point is that it's possible to trace Plato back through time through first person accounts.

We have plato's school. We have his students. We have his work. These things were not written about hundreds of years later in hindsight. These were known during his time and recorded during his time. Plato has no broken timeline.

Jesus on the other hand does have a broken timeline. His stories were written hundreds of years after they happened. No one that recorded jesus' life actually lived in the time of Jesus. That is the problem.

The same can not be said of Plato.

originally posted by: Seede
a reply to: Krazysh0t

TextBut you DID followup that there is more evidence of Jesus' existence than Plato, which is untrue because there is no evidence of Jesus' existence. At least not directly. Just like with Plato.

But I believe there is evidence but no proof.

You know what? I can agree with that. Thus the debate will never end, because proof will never be forthcoming.

a reply to: TheAlleghenyGentleman

We also have Jesus' works and word(Gospel), and students(apostles) who many can also be proven to exist from personal accounts.

What personal account would you accept? Saul of Tarsus knew of him and his apostles and debated them personally. Would this be considered a qualifier, or why not?

I'd refer you to this:
en.wikipedia.org...

Arguably 100-150 AD, not hundreds of years. The earliest biography of Alexander the Great was written 400 years after his death.

The earliest account of Jesus (1 Corinthians 15) was written within 5 years of Jesus’ death. The earliest gospel, Mark, was written about 30 years after Jesus’ death . And the earliest non-Christian source, Josephus, wrote about Jesus about 70 years after his death.


Theres more copies of ancient Hebrew/Christian than plato, or most of the old philosopher's works(how many of those were fisrt hand written?)


www.bible.ca...

" The Number of New Testament Manuscripts Compared with Other Ancient Books

In terms of quantity, the New Testament is represented far more than any other piece of ancient literature. Consider the known manuscripts of four well known Greek and Roman works: Homer was the earliest and most popular author of the ancient Greek world. His book, The Illiad, dates to 750 BC. To date, 647 manuscripts of this book have been found. Only 190 contain a complete copy. When compared to other classical Greek writing, Homer’s work is an exception. Copies of his work are much more plentiful than other ancient books. For example, Caesar’s Gallic War, dates to 50 BC. Only 9-10 manuscripts exist with the earliest copy dating to 900 AD. Thucydides’ Peloponnesian War dates to 450 BC. Eight manuscripts have been found with the earliest copy dating to 900 AD. (There are some fragments of this book that date to the time of Jesus.) Finally, Tacitus’ Histories was written in 100 AD. Only two manuscripts are available. One dates to 800 AD, the other to 1000 AD.

In light of this, the number of ancient writings containing the New Testament is staggering. To date, over 5800 Greek New Testament fragments have been found (Taylor, 2012). Over 10,000 Latin New Testament manuscripts dating from the 2nd to 16th century have been located. The earliest are in fragments that cover a substantial amount of the New Testament. Some manuscripts have also been found in a number of other languages, including Coptic, Syriac, Gothic, and Arabic. Taking all languages together, over 25,000 handwritten copies of the New Testament have been recovered. But there is more. Almost the entire New Testament could be reproduced by quotes from the ancient church fathers. “So extensive are these citations that if all other sources for our knowledge of the text of the New Testament were destroyed, they would be sufficient alone for the reconstruction of practically the entire New Testament” (Metzger & Ehrman, 2005).

The number of manuscripts being found is continually growing. “Every decade and virtually every year new manuscripts are discovered. Meanwhile, the average classical author’s writings are found in about twenty extant manuscripts” (Komoszewski, Sawyer, & Wallace, 2006). The earliest manuscripts do not contain the entire New Testament. Some fragments contain just a verse or two, but still count as a manuscript. The average size of a New Testament manuscript is around 450 pages. "

a reply to: Butterfinger

You know. I just read a Cracked article today that posited that Homer could have been multiple people. So you are right. Maybe they didn't exist either, though I'd be more ready to believe in the existence of a well known king before a regional (at the time) cult leader who only influenced a small group of people.

a reply to: Butterfinger

How about Adam and Eve, Noah, Moses?

Is there any proof of their existence?

originally posted by: D8Tee
a reply to: Butterfinger

How about Adam and Eve, Noah, Moses?

Is there any proof of their existence?

Probably as much as Saint Nick, who kind of existed in a way.

Can you prove that I exist?

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Butterfinger

You know. I just read a Cracked article today that posited that Homer could have been multiple people. So you are right. Maybe they didn't exist either, though I'd be more ready to believe in the existence of a well known king before a regional (at the time) cult leader who only influenced a small group of people.

Fair enough

a reply to: Butterfinger

I could with your W2. Has either Jesus or Plato filed yet this year?

That would solve this mess!

I dont think it would be necessary to mention colors of people in the book as we are all obviously recognizant of each other... no need for that knowledge...

originally posted by: Gyo01
I dont think it would be necessary to mention colors of people in the book as we are all obviously recognizant of each other... no need for that knowledge...

Plus it would lead to further racism knowing what one group of people did even though most are innocent. All skin colors have created tragedy... cause were all the same race.

i am a person of peace. Yet, I have met evil people of all colors. Evil is not determined by color of skin.

a reply to: strangechristian777

Didn't the bible proclaim the eternal punishment of all non-white people, or canaanites?

They did something similar in the book of Mormom, no black man is to attain the priesthood.

RELIGION IS COOL!

GOD HATES F--GS!
F---GS DIE GOD LAUGHS!
THANK GOD FOR 9/11!!
GOD HATES YOU - YOU ARE GOING TO HELL!!

Peace and love everyone!

originally posted by: Winstonian
a reply to: strangechristian777

Didn't the bible proclaim the eternal punishment of all non-white people, or canaanites?

They did something similar in the book of Mormom, no black man is to attain the priesthood.

RELIGION IS COOL!

GOD HATES F--GS!
F---GS DIE GOD LAUGHS!
THANK GOD FOR 9/11!!
GOD HATES YOU - YOU ARE GOING TO HELL!!

Peace and love everyone!

The Bible proclaimed no such thing, yes there are extra or outside biblical references for a curse of blacks including the Mormon's book, the Canaanites were cursed despite being Black not because of it , the Hebrews wanted Canaanite lands so hence the curse, it's a long tradition to curse your enemy, but lookie here

Amos 9:7 ESV / 51
“Are you not like the Cu#es to me, O people of Israel?” declares the Lord. “Did I not bring up Israel from the land of Egypt, and the Philistines from Caphtor and the Syrians from Kir?

Psalm 68:31 ; Nobles shall come from Egypt; Cush shall hasten to stretch out her hands to God.

Ah, land of whirring wings
that is beyond the rivers of Cush,
2 which sends ambassadors by the sea,
in vessels of papyrus on the waters!
Go, you swift messengers,
to a nation tall and smooth,
to a people feared near and far,
a nation mighty and conquering,
whose land the rivers divide.
www.biblegateway.com...

And not for nothing but according to the Bible it is in the Black lands or the Sons of Ham, that the first mighty nations arose.

Genesis 10:8-12; And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth. 9 He was a mighty hunter before the Lord: wherefore it is said, Even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the Lord. And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar. Out of that land went forth Asshur, and builded Nineveh, and the city Rehoboth, and Calah, And Resen between Nineveh and Calah: the same is a great city
www.biblegateway.com...

Note the Sumerian city states that sprang from Nimrod's line, this is what the ancient chroniclers thought based off eyeball ethnography . not science base.

originally posted by: D8Tee

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: D8Tee

Prove it.

Ever seen The Passion of the Christ?

Jim Caviezel played the role of Jesus.
Jim Caviezel is not black.

If Jesus had been black they would have cast Will Smith.

ETA forgot who played Jesus in that movie, fixed the mistake.

One of the most ridiculous things I have ever seen posted on this site. That's saying a lot too.

Literally made me laugh out loud. I'm hoping to black Jesus you were being sarcastic.