Are There Any Black People Mentioned In The Bible?

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Butterfinger

The difference between doubting Plato's existence versus Jesus is that Plato isn't alleged to break the laws of physics on a whim.

The abilities of either man is not the point, its extra biblical sources outnumber those of Plato's records of existence.

Once we establish the existence of a man, then we can entertain what their hobbies or abilities were.

a reply to: Butterfinger

Except you don't judge the validity of a person's existence based on the number of accounts of that person. That is silly. Credibility factors MUCH more prominently into that equation than you are letting on. PLUS there is the supernatural aspect of the Jesus tale that requires even FURTHER corroborating evidence to support.

a reply to: strangechristian777

i haven't read all seven pages, but i am SHOCKED that i haven't seen the answer from what i have read!!! geezzz where are the Bible readers on this site?

yes here is a book of a black lady talking.

Song of Solomon 1:5-6King James Version (KJV)

5 I am black, but comely, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents of Kedar, as the curtains of Solomon.

6 Look not upon me, because I am black, because the sun hath looked upon me: my mother's children were angry with me; they made me the keeper of the vineyards; but mine own vineyard have I not kept.

a reply to: Butterfinger

Can you prove to the world that Plato existed by the same evidence standard you would need to prove Jesus to you?

Plato is not thought as the son of god. GOD. For example, Plato talks of Atlantis. Today, most people consider Atlantis a myth, while Jesus is quoted extensively by millions. His words for a lot of the worlds population are literal. Not so for Plato.

Why's he running around calling other races dogs?

Matthew 15:22-28 A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is suffering terribly from demon-possession.” Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.” He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.” The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said. He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to their dogs.” “Yes, Lord,” she said, “but even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters’ table.” Then Jesus answered, “Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.” And her daughter was healed from that very hour.

originally posted by: Abysha

Well that's practically my bible so I see their point.

That makes sense then, it is a damn fine story and Idris Elba is a damn fine actor. I'll be re-reading it after I've finished re-reading A Song of Fire & Ice but before I watch the Movie...

a reply to: TheAlleghenyGentleman

Miracles and such don't even need to come into play when debating the historical fact of someones existence.

You asked for proof that he existed, I posed the thought experiment that a lot of historical personas that are more widely accepted as having been a real person than Jesus, i.e. Pluto, or Buddha that have less evidence of having actually walked on earth.

I wonder why Jesus is debated ahead of Romulus and Remus, King Arthur, Pythagoras, Alexander the Great, Socrates, Buddha, Moses?

a reply to: Shar

And don't forget that King David/Dawood was Solomon's dad. So either they had no problem mixing ethnicities (with King David's wife/Solomon's mom also being "black") or the House of David from the Tribe of Judah was itself "black". Oh and Kedar/Qedar means "dark skinned", "Kedar/Qedar" was the name of the Prophet Ishmael's 2nd son, and the Qedarites were a nomadic tribe of early dark skinned Arabs. Yet they still ask if there were any "black" people in the Bible...

Maybe this is why some say we should ignore the entire Old Testament as if it doesn't count?

a reply to: enlightenedservant

I would hazard a guess that most people mentioned in the bible were middle-eastern and I'm sure there were plenty of blacks. The Romans were possibly white, but in the time of Jesus, they weren't all about his message until after his death.

However, there is a huge mis-conception about Christians "ignoring" the old testament. Most Christians regard it as important, much like a lesson in history, but the spiritual requirements to have a one on one relationship with Yahweh changed drastically with Christ. He didn't come to abolish the old laws, rather to fulfill them. Christ (God in human form) made the ultimate sacrifice with his life and in death stole the keys of Hell from Satan. Upon resurrection, this allowed for anyone to come to God through Christ and have a direct relationship with him.

In the days of Moses, for example, people had to seek Moses or Aaron to make their needs known to God. Later, it was the Levite priests etc etc. Many of the old ways and rituals (animal sacrifices etc) became obsolete after the resurrection of Christ as they were no longer needed as a bridge to God. Within Christianity, Christ is the new bridge to God (Yahweh). I'm sure you already know this, but I hear this claim about the OT a lot. Just thought I would share that perspective with you.

originally posted by: TheAlleghenyGentleman
a reply to: Butterfinger

Can you prove to the world that Plato existed by the same evidence standard you would need to prove Jesus to you?

Plato is not thought as the son of god. GOD. For example, Plato talks of Atlantis. Today, most people consider Atlantis a myth, while Jesus is quoted extensively by millions. His words for a lot of the worlds population are literal. Not so for Plato.

Today, most people consider a myth as untrue.

Today, most people consider Jesus a myth.

Today most people also consider Atlantis a myth, but that is because they are clueless. Did Plato invent the Sargasso Sea? Did Plato invent the America’s? Did Plato invent the Coconut?

Plato wrote about all those things, so if he did not invent them then he was aware of their reality by others. Someone had seen these things and wrote about them. If he was “write” on those three then he is probably right about Atlantis too.

But that's a story for another thread.

'God' isn't racist, doesn't play favorites.



Well in general, Yes, but not according to the Bible.

Does not the Bible make clear that God invented everything? That means God invented the races, which makes God a racist.

Does not the Bible state that one tribe was God’s chosen people? That means God played favorites.

The way around this is to realize that there are basically two GODS in the Bible, neither of which is named Jesus.

True, there are several Gods in the Old Testament, none of which are Jesus.

True, the first book is a compilation of history gathered in Babylon and in it there are several Gods, aka Lords. The Elohim are plural.

But once we get to the second book there are basically only two Gods.

There is the GODHEAD itself, that which creates and sustains the universe. This is the God everyone knows, whether they believe in its existence or not.

Then there is the Alien God. This is the one known by many names, like Jehovah and Yahweh. This is the God the Israelites knew firsthand, the one that physically dwelt in their presence.

The Bible is very clear that, although this God is powerful, he is not All Powerful, nor is he All Knowing. That is because he is a flesh and blood creature who has chosen one tribe to be his. This is not the Egyptians God. This is not the Babylonians God. But he is one of their kind. These ET’s did not create the universe, but they did have a hand in creating mankind. And they are to blame for the races of man.

a reply to: Wookiep

No problem. I was admittedly being a bit facetious with that line. After all, we are in a thread that's asking if there were any "black" people in the Bible, even though many events, civilizations, and individuals mentioned in the Old Testament were literally in Africa.

originally posted by: spiritualarchitect

originally posted by: TheAlleghenyGentleman
a reply to: Butterfinger

Can you prove to the world that Plato existed by the same evidence standard you would need to prove Jesus to you?

Plato is not thought as the son of god. GOD. For example, Plato talks of Atlantis. Today, most people consider Atlantis a myth, while Jesus is quoted extensively by millions. His words for a lot of the worlds population are literal. Not so for Plato.

Today, most people consider Jesus a myth.

Just for the record, there are at least 2.2 billion Christians globally, 1.6 billion Muslims globally as of 2010 (according to Pew Research), and around 7.5 billion people in total. That means that a least 50.6% of the world are Christians or Muslims.

Both Muslims and Christians believe that Jesus/Yeshua/Essa/Issa was real and that he was at the very least a prophet who performed many miracles. In other words, most people do not consider him a myth. By the numbers, most people consider him real. And that doesn't even include any other religions that accept him as real, such as the Rastafari faith & Bahá'í Faith.

a reply to: Butterfinger

I posed the thought experiment that a lot of historical personas that are more widely accepted as having been a real person than Jesus, i.e. Pluto,

That is untrue because unlike Jesus who left no tangible evidence of his existence, most of Plato's major written works survived.

Jesus on the other hand was only written about hundreds of years after his death and all the accounts were obviously second hand. No direct evidence.


a reply to: spiritualarchitect

If he was “write” on those three then he is probably right about Atlantis too.

Of course! I'm not denying that. I think that is highly plausible. I also think most likely Jesus exsisted, but that's not what I'm asking proof of.

a reply to: spiritualarchitect

Well in general, Yes, but not according to the Bible.

Men wrote the Bible.

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: TheAlleghenyGentleman
a reply to: Raggedyman

I just want someone to really prove Jesus existed. There is no evidence that I've read that has ever proven to me without a shadow of a doubt that Jesus ever walked this earth as a person and not a myth.

I am sorry you dont understand history
Jesus is the most well documented Man in history, more than any other, ever
Disbelieve everything ever written, disbelieve every account, every word, every story and you are still left with His teachings
You can disbelieve His teachings but you cant deny they were His teachings, even today they are radical.

I always found it interesting that people believe in Plato, but there are fewer writings that confirm his existence than there are about Jesus.

Jesus has lots of mentions outside of the Bible by people that didn't even believe in him.

but sticking to the topic at hand, Jesus was sent to Africa as soon as he was born.

I think it's silly that some people believe God sent a white baby to hide in Africa.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Butterfinger

Except you don't judge the validity of a person's existence based on the number of accounts of that person. That is silly. Credibility factors MUCH more prominently into that equation than you are letting on. PLUS there is the supernatural aspect of the Jesus tale that requires even FURTHER corroborating evidence to support.

Wrong. If we didn't have video, do you think future generations would believe that David Blaine or Criss Angel Existed?

Sure we can explain what they do, but that doesn't mean future generations would believe a word of it.

So to say that we require more proof of existence based on the claims of his supernatural powers is silly. The fact is he existed. What you question is whether or not he could actually do what the books say he could do.

He either could or he couldn't. That's really what it comes down to.

a reply to: strangechristian777

The fact is he existed.

That is not a fact and is heavily debated. Only the Bible makes this assertion and it was written after he died, and the two or so extra-Biblical sources for his existence are dubious at best.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: strangechristian777

The fact is he existed.

That is not a fact and is heavily debated. Only the Bible makes this assertion and it was written after he died, and the two or so extra-Biblical sources for his existence are dubious at best.

Well there is more evidence for Jesus than any other dead human being
But, please believe what you want to believe, it's your free will, gift from God or the ether if you like

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: strangechristian777

The fact is he existed.

That is not a fact and is heavily debated. Only the Bible makes this assertion and it was written after he died, and the two or so extra-Biblical sources for his existence are dubious at best.

Well there is more evidence for Jesus than any other dead human being

What kind of claim is that and how can you even claim it true?

a reply to: TheAlleghenyGentleman

So, we have Plato's hand written discourses? Thats not true.

There is less evidence of Plato than there are of Jesus' existence