America, All of These Problems Are Your Own Damn Fault!!!

originally posted by: network dude

I think you have missed the plot. It's possible to still have pride in our country and pride in being American but still have the ability to recognize cause and effect. We have made a lot of mistakes along the way, some of them causing the current situations we have to deal with today. All in the name of globalization. If we learn from those mistakes, and interfere in other countries affairs less, we will have less "blow back" from those who we have pissed off.

(I invite you to look up that word "blow back" and see what it refers to.)

God Bless America.

Thank you, dude, for crystallizing the feelings of many of us.

Here, we'll make it easy for them. Blowback…Karma…much the same:

Blowback is a term originating from within the (American) Intelligence community, denoting the unintended consequences, the unwanted (side-)effects or suffered repercussions of a covert operation that fall back on those responsible for the aforementioned operations. To the civilians suffering the blowback of covert operations, the effect typically manifests itself as "random" acts of political violence without a discernible, direct cause; because the public—in whose name the intelligence agency acted—are unaware of the effected secret attacks that provoked revenge (counter-attack) against them.[1]

Originally, blowback was CIA internal coinage denoting the unintended, harmful consequences—to friendly populations and military forces—when a given weapon is used beyond its purpose as intended by the party supplying it. Examples include anti-Western religious figures (e.g. Osama bin Laden) who, in due course, attack foe and sponsor; right-wing counter-revolutionaries who sell drugs to their sponsor's civil populace (see CIA and Contras coc aine trafficking in the US); and banana republic juntas (see Salvadoran Civil War) who kill American reporters or nuns (e.g. Dorothy Kazel).[citation needed]

In formal print usage, the term blowback first appeared in the Clandestine Service History—Overthrow of Premier Mossadeq of Iran—November 1952–August 1953, the CIA's internal history of the 1953 Iranian coup d'état, sponsored by the US and UK, which was published in March 1954.[2][3] Blowback from this operation would indeed occur with the Iranian Revolution and the Iran hostage crisis. Recent accounts of how blowback functioned in the War on Terror relation to US and UK intelligence and defense propaganda and became an important issue in a 21st Century media environment are discussed by Dr Emma Louise Briant in her book Propaganda and Counter-terrorism which presents first hand accounts and discussions of deliberate and unintended consequences of blowback, oversight and impacts for the public.[4][5]

Blowback

a reply to: LogicalGraphitti
The first microprocessor was invented by two Americans, an Italian, and a Japanese.

The world wide web, as we know and use it today was invented by an Englishman.

Your post is precisely why the US is in the predicament it is in. Congratulations.

originally posted by: Brian4real
WOW!!! That is truly saying it all! I have nothing but praise and respect for you! Youve not just 'hit the nail on the head', you drove it home!

I believe the reason people cant see the big picture (like you have), is on account of our 3 second attention spans.
Its always, "whats the problem? Ok do this to fix it." Instead of, "how did this problem come about? What can we do to prevent....." A majority of People dont want to think, or look into root causes at all.

Standing ovation for you

Thank you so much for that wonderful response!

I really appreciate your ovation!
It means a lot!
*Bows*

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: muzzleflash

great OP. You sound a lot like Ron Paul.

Network Dude....Thank you!!

That's a huge compliment!

originally posted by: LogicalGraphitti
This thread sickens me. If each of you really feel that this country is so bad, how can you live with yourself?

I'm afraid you missed the entire point of this thread.

I'm not sure what perspective you actually viewed it from.

originally posted by: muzzleflash
I'm afraid you missed the entire point of this thread.

It is a shame that many will miss the point. Would almost be nice if the mods could replicate it 180 odd times, with each country listed.

So many never take the time to look inward before claiming the outside environment has caused their issues.

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: LogicalGraphitti

I think you have missed the plot. It's possible to still have pride in our country and pride in being American but still have the ability to recognize cause and effect. We have made a lot of mistakes along the way, some of them causing the current situations we have to deal with today. All in the name of globalization. If we learn from those mistakes, and interfere in other countries affairs less, we will have less "blow back" from those who we have pissed off.

(I invite you to look up that word "blow back" and see what it refers to.)

God Bless America.

I have missed the plot as you see it. However, I see the rant (the plot) in the OP as something completely different. There is nothing intellectual about it. Look at the title, does that inspire constructive dialog?

Let's see if I can debate Muzzleflash's ultimate question: "But can you think of any real problems that face America today that we didn't create by our policies and refuse to address properly??". My answer to that is that if we really want to avoid problems caused by policy is to nothing. Maybe then we'll have no failures and we can feel really good about ourselves. But that isn't real life and the US, as a super power (for now anyway) is expected to get involved and help out where no one else will. There are as many ways as there are reasons to get involved. Some are humanitarian, some are to maintain the best interest of the United States. When you're the big kid on the block, you do what you can to stay that way.

originally posted by: peck420
a reply to: LogicalGraphitti
The first microprocessor was invented by two Americans, an Italian, and a Japanese.

The world wide web, as we know and use it today was invented by an Englishman.

Your post is precisely why the US is in the predicament it is in. Congratulations.

The microprocessor was invented by Texas Instruments.

The World Wide Web is a protocol (http) on top of the Internet (TCP/IP).

Your reply is an attempt to feel relevant.

originally posted by: LogicalGraphitti

originally posted by: peck420
a reply to: LogicalGraphitti
The first microprocessor was invented by two Americans, an Italian, and a Japanese.

The world wide web, as we know and use it today was invented by an Englishman.

Your post is precisely why the US is in the predicament it is in. Congratulations.

The microprocessor was invented by Texas Instruments.

The World Wide Web is a protocol (http) on top of the Internet (TCP/IP).

Your reply is an attempt to feel relevant.

AL GORE is somewhere in the mix isn't he?

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: LogicalGraphitti

originally posted by: peck420
a reply to: LogicalGraphitti
The first microprocessor was invented by two Americans, an Italian, and a Japanese.

The world wide web, as we know and use it today was invented by an Englishman.

Your post is precisely why the US is in the predicament it is in. Congratulations.

The microprocessor was invented by Texas Instruments.

The World Wide Web is a protocol (http) on top of the Internet (TCP/IP).

Your reply is an attempt to feel relevant.

AL GORE is somewhere in the mix isn't he?

Oops... I stand corrected. You're right, Al Gore invented the Internet

originally posted by: LogicalGraphitti
But that isn't real life and the US, as a super power (for now anyway) is expected to get involved and help out where no one else will. There are as many ways as there are reasons to get involved. Some are humanitarian, some are to maintain the best interest of the United States.

Let's just make sure we don't equate the exercise of power, realpolitik, and nation toppling with moral responsibility. We don't seem to do too well on that aspect.

Why, in your opinion, does M.E.-based terrorism exist to the extent it does today?

When you're the big kid on the block, you do what you can to stay that way.

Anything? No responsibility of morality or decency?

I agree that our complacency and inaction at our fully corrupted government pretty much equals consent. What do we do about it?

I would argue that the average American citizen would never approve of our imperialistic actions if they had a choice. Well at least up to the point you offer them a lot of money. So how do you prevent it?

It seems there is a small but organized group of people that are very determined to implement their global agenda. There are enough people out there that can be bought to be the mouthpieces of this agenda, see our current MSM. How do you stop it? How would you setup a structure that would prevent people from obtaining that level of power? How would you stop the corruption?

yay... another blame all the ills in the world on the US... So original...

have we helped nope not at all... but the imperialism exerted by europe did far more to screw up the world than what we have done in the last 60 years.

I strongly suggest you pick up a history book if you think the world is so screwed up just because of America.

a reply to: ClovenSky

It might be hopeless. The odds would've been better if more of us (me) had owned up earlier. If more had been loud and fearless about it.

However, being willing to raise the topic in public debate and create more awareness seems to be the most powerful tool that we currently don't seem to be taking advantage of.

If we overcame the Left-Right paradigm on this ONE issue, I imagine we could give it a good go. But...how many even care and how many prefer willful ignorance seems a staggering blow to much hope at this late stage.

Dbl

originally posted by: WilliamtheResolute
a reply to: JoshuaCox

"That's like being married and going out drinking with your ex till 3am then crashing at her house without cheating...Even if you didn't, your wife will never believe you..

The objective media is filled with supposition and conjecture...just like a nagging wife. This is sarcasm because I sense your need to be informed on how to view an issue.....

I didn't list anything that was conjecture..

Trump had to fire Flynn and manifort for Russian connections..

Flynn turned out to be on the payroll of a Russian puppet state in turkey.

Sessions lied about having meetings with Russia.

Flynn lied about telling the Russian ambassador trump would lift sanctions.

Trumps Only change to the GOP party platform was not using force in Ukraine.

According to both the FBI and CIA Russia hacked the dnc which attacked trumps political opponent..

There is more there than any other conspiracy in a decade, and their is a clear benefit chain leading right to trump..





My personal conjecture is that Russian intelligence would have been smart enough to have recorded the meeting..


Making trump their puppet... because if he screws with them, they drop the tape , he goes to prison and putin looks like a super stud for having played the Americans like a fiddle.

That is conjecture.. there is no direct evidence for it, but seems like a likely thing.

a reply to: Irishhaf

I blame the Irish.

You of course have a point, but much of our current ills do seem to directly relate to U.S. foreign policy. A policy that seems evermore Globalist in nature. Have we been infiltrated? Are there traitors in our midst--even foreign influence- ahold of the reins? Does history tend to repeat itself?

a reply to: The GUT

I have no problem admitting our foreign policy has not made me happy most of my 4+ decades on the planet.

I personally do not think the government has worked for the people in my life time...

Are we infiltrated, probably, I do not think trump is the mole though... look at Congress, that is the root of our problems and has been for most of my life.

a reply to: The GUT

I agree that the right and left paradigm doesn't really exist in professional politics. Our benevolent masters are on a complete different level that has nothing to do with the underlying ideals of left vs right. I don't think we should pretend that there isn't a divide among populace on these issues though. The difference is real in the trenches. But our politicians are not part of that battle. They just use it against us.

We really need to be honest about these vampires. We need to completely disregard their words and instead focus on their actions. We need to get rid of PC. We need to call out their efforts to remove our power of association. We need to recognize the intent behind their actions as weakening this country and their attempts at destroying our culture.

Maybe for a start we can bring our troops home. We take them off of the chess board so they can't even be used to further this agenda anymore. Guard our boarders and that is it. It is not our moral responsibility to right the wrongs outside of our boarders. That moral relevance has been used against us more than any other ideal to further the globalist agenda.

But we need to figure out safeguards towards a system that power isn't allowed to corrupt. Then we can start cleaning house. If the sheeple are that easily brainwashed into believing the globalist agenda, they can be deprogrammed like getting members out of cult.

originally posted by: Irishhaf
yay... another blame all the ills in the world on the US... So original...

have we helped nope not at all... but the imperialism exerted by europe did far more to screw up the world than what we have done in the last 60 years.

I strongly suggest you pick up a history book if you think the world is so screwed up just because of America.

I didn't say that "all of the world's problems are America's fault".

Your cognitive dissonance projects that to justify ignoring a valid message.

I specifically referred to America's perceived problems like immigration and drugs.
I then even asked if you could think of a major political problem America faces that wasn't the result of poor policy.