Immigrants are going hungry so Trump won’t deport them

Please show me where in the Constitution it mandates citizen taxpayers feed and care for illegal aliens who have invaded this country in violation of, and with contempt for our own laws.

Bonus Question: If you have a couple of rats who set up shop in your backyard, do you feed them and attract more rats or get rid of them?

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: angeldoll
a reply to: ketsuko

If you can't see it by now, then you can't see.

Oh I see what you believe, the problem is that I disagree with you and you haven't offered up any compelling reasons for me to agree with you. If you want to believe I am heartless for seeing that the US doesn't have enough money in its budget to pay for everyone in every other country to eat, then so be it. That reality is quite aside from what my actual desires are. It's just that I don't let my emotions cloud my understanding of the mathematical realities of the situation and I'd rather this country not experience financial crash because then we will all be screwed.

I? I haven't offered any compelling reasons?
That's laughable. You can't put your shortcomings off on me. Nice try.

Maybe some people on this thread are new, I haven't noticed. But you and I know this subject comes up, what? Maybe three or four times a year? And you are always there front and center, still talking about fraud, still passing judgment on who should eat, and who should get medical care and who should not. You NEVER address the needy qualified poor. It's always the same horse and pony show. Fraud fraud fraud. You've had this same conversation with many, many others on here besides me.

I'm am all for teaching a person to fish. I do it as often as I can, and as best I can. But you can't teach a person to fish if he is sick, or if he is weak from hunger.

You are what you are, but don't present yourself as some great mind who uses only logic and reason, while trying to pass me off as some little melting crumbling emotional mess. I'm not. I'm a doer. A DOER. And in order to do, you have to do more than talk, and more than offer compassion. I find myself a rather satisfying combination of both, contrary to what you would make me out to be, while trying to glorify your own intellect.

originally posted by: ketsuko
Yeah but same article never actually talks to an "immigrant" who has done this, only to people like Fortin.

And do you notice how there is this assumption that it's perfectly normal and natural for illegal immigrants to have US welfare benefits as if they are here legally?

People have to eat. Either you feed them, or they commit crime to feed themselves, then wind up in prison and you end up feeding them anyways.

a reply to: SBMcG

Spoken like a true psychopath.

"Who them?? Those aren't real people. To me they're Rats. I'm going to kill them like Rats."

What's sad is you're on here day in and day out complaining about others and what problems they all are in your life as if you deserve so much better. But you also literally view other people as Rats and wonder why nobody cares about your problems???

Why should they?? You obviously don't give a damn about anyone else or their problems. You don't even consider them to be people You believe them to be rodents. But they are people not rats.

What does the world get by helping you??? A psycho who views other people as rats. You know what, I think we already have plenty psychos around and they've never made anything better, ever.

a reply to: angeldoll

No. You want to force people to do the way you want them to.

I just go out and do.

I don't choose to talk about it here. That just leads to more argument. For some people, if you don't endorse government taking and giving as charity, then it doesn't whatever else you might do, it won't ever be enough.

a reply to: seasonal

Still hard to pinpoint the enemy and commit isn't it? Just take it out on each other since we are all autistic retarded people with flippers for hands.

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: seasonal

I know you probably see me as just some big commie or whatever, but IMO it doesn't matter what someone's status is, you feed them if they need food.

With all due respect I think that is a short sighted outlook on life. One that would leave a person vulnerable to being taken advantage if they truly lived by that sentiment.

I'don't be willing to bet that most of the really big commies among us have a limit; when it comes down to it where they won't feed someone even if they need food.

If I raped someone's loved one and than told them I haven't eaten in weeks I'm sure most people would pass on the opportunity to feed me.

Yes I realize this is an extreme example; I am using it to show how whimsical your statement is; their most certainly is a point in rational discourse where ones status does matter when society decides to feed them or let them fend for themselves.

Whether or not being in a country illegal teachers that point is debatable.

a reply to: Aazadan

I don't go by the idea that we feed people out from some sort of blackmail. That if we don't they'll commit a crime so we have to feed them.

We should feed them because obtaining food security in life is something we figured out thousands of years ago as primitive man.

If we can't even say we've figured out food security or how to shelter ourselves at this point in our civilization then WTF are we doing???

The truth is we figured out how to do that a long time ago under any reasonable context. Not that it's impossible to still go hungry, that's still possible. But as it is now, we have plenty of food. We throw away food every single day. Mountains of it. Perfectly good food too. Even prepared food. We just don't allow others to get it once we throw it away. It's not cost effective. It's all business economics. literally.

We created a world where people are starving even though we have the food to feed them. But it just doesn't fit in with the corporate or business model to give what we throw away to someone who would take it. Seriously. We would rather destroy what we view as trash rather than give it to someone who would be happy to take it. Think about that.

a reply to: mOjOm

It isn't our money. It is the Federal Reserve's money. If we wish to do business we pay the interest. It is called fractional reserve lending at it is a sham.

I imagine by now the central bankers/Fed figure this interest is now a birth right, so good luck changing it. Ask JFK how that went.

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: SBMcG

Spoken like a true psychopath.

"Who them?? Those aren't real people. To me they're Rats. I'm going to kill them like Rats."

What's sad is you're on here day in and day out complaining about others and what problems they all are in your life as if you deserve so much better. But you also literally view other people as Rats and wonder why nobody cares about your problems???

Why should they?? You obviously don't give a damn about anyone else or their problems. You don't even consider them to be people You believe them to be rodents. But they are people not rats.

What does the world get by helping you??? A psycho who views other people as rats. You know what, I think we already have plenty psychos around and they've never made anything better, ever.

Are you calling me a "psychopath"?

That's a medical diagnosis.

Can I see your license to practice medicine?

Better yet, let me ask you a question: Do you lock your door at night?

If so, why?

If you lock your door to keep rapists and murderers and buggerers and thieves and vivisectionists, et al, out of your house, but they sneaked in anyway, would you offer them milk and cookies before they got to work?

originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: mOjOm

Go to a walmart on the 1st of the month and see what people are buying with food stamps. Steak, lobster, snacks, soda, you name it.

I'm all for feeding those in need, but not the way it is currently set up. You don't deserve luxury foods if someone else is unwillingly paying for it.

Food box programs SHOULD be the standard. Would save TONS of money. They can also employ those receiving the free food for 10-20 hours a month as a trade off for getting the food. Eliminates a lot of excessive and reckless spending.

Some people spend irresponsibly. That's just human nature though, they still have to come up with a food budget. I get SNAP. I get $60/month to supplement $750/month in income. Overall, my food budget is about $200/month. The SNAP part mainly goes towards buying bottled water (I try to drink about 2L per day). Which, believe it or not, has gotten me several rude comments in grocery aisles because it means I'm apparently too good for tap water. The rest of it goes to crock pot meals.

As far as putting people to work goes. Why should I work for 20 hours a month for $60? That's $3/hour, and it's not even paid in cash, it's paid in what is essentially company scrip. For a job with no benefits, no PTO, no insurance, no stock options, no advancement.

I would go hungry before working for those terms.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: angeldoll

No. You want to force people to do the way you want them to.

I just go out and do.

I don't choose to talk about it here. That just leads to more argument. For some people, if you don't endorse government taking and giving as charity, then it doesn't whatever else you might do, it won't ever be enough.

I don't force anyone to do anything. My my, such self-aggrandizement tonight.
Ugh. I really can't proceed with this conversation. It's turned to bickering, and just not my style. But I will let you get back to your fraudulent government leeches.

I was a guest speaker on a local radio talk show today, talking about similar issues. People worried, scared.

People need encouragement, and to know they have futures. To know there is a way for the future to change for the better. A man called in who had had a stroke a few months back. Worried about how he was going to feed his family. Worried about whether he could continue to buy his medications. He's afraid at some point he will have to choose between feeding his family and buying his meds. Unfortunately, he may very well have to make that decision at some point. I will certainly do what I can to get him plugged in (while there is still something to plug in to.)

For some people, if you don't endorse government taking and giving as charity, then it doesn't whatever else you might do, it won't ever be enough.

Well, if that's as far as you can see, then it's as far as you can see.

a reply to: DanDanDat

Of course there are limits. I think this is part of the problem too. It's a perspective thing.

When one person says I don't mind feeding the hungry. That's what they mean. They aren't usually including the scammers or people taking advantage of the situation because that's not who they're talking about. They mean the actual people who are going hungry and need help.

But others automatically include all the people who are scammers and criminals. Even though they aren't even technically mentioned. But they instinctively add them in there out of some kind of defensive reaction.

Which doesn't make much sense. Because does it even make sense that I would really be saying "Hey I want to feed people that are ripping me off in some way!!" No, of course not. I understand that those people are out there. I get that. But unless I mentioned them, I'm probably not including them and just assume that others can logically figure that out on their own.

Nobody ever has wanted to help people that are robbing them. So let's not confuse who it is we're talking about. Nobody is saying we need to be helping those who knowingly are just there to rip us off. We're talking about helping people who actually need help. Because they far out number the scammers and I don't not feed the 100's of helpless because one of them might be scamming me. That just means I'm hurting 100's of others on the account of a few a-holes.

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: mOjOm

I am torn on this one.

What you are talking about is an unlimited need (socialized programs) and a limited supply (tax money).

If these people are here illegally, they should not be on a service designed for citizens. I hate to think of people note getting enough to eat. It happens all over the world, it is because of fake scarcity.

Food stamps are revenue neutral, they might even create a bit. They do a lot of good.
1. It boosts sales for small farmers in the poor/rural areas where food tends to be produced locally.
2. It feeds people. Without food, people can do little else. If you want to work, or attend school to give back to society, you need food to do it.
3. It keeps them out of jail. Without food, people will steal to get it. There isn't a choice.
4. By giving people $x/month for food, you're avoiding giving them $x/month for food as part of keeping them a prisoner, and all the other associated jail costs.

It's the cost of doing business, but it does good work,

a reply to: SBMcG

You think some people are rats. I don't need a degree to know that is delusional thinking. People are people and rats are rats.

Not everyone is a rapist, murderer, bugger or vivisectionist. I don't even think that last one even belongs with the rest of those.

You must live in High security Prison to have such problems. In which case, I'd lock my doors too. But I don't live in prison and most people around me are just regular people that aren't out to kill or rape me.

originally posted by: Vector99
I didn't say that now did I? Though, luxury foods shouldn't be eligible for food stamps

All foods are luxuries.

a reply to: Aazadan

Very well put. Logical too rather than appealing to ones compassion you're appealing to their reason.

If you don't belong here why do you deserve the benefits of people who came here through the proper channels.
If we are supposed to take care of people who shouldn't be here then why have laws to enter the country in a legal manner? If you feel that people who come illegally should have the same rights as everyone else then you should take them in and feed them.
And how will you feel when someone here illegally commits a crime that affects you will you still feel the same way? No, you will sit and wonder how this could happen. ...because of people like you who feel that we should have an open door and feed and care for everyone. Even the immigrants that came here legally don't think it's right .

a reply to: MacK80

It doesn't actually say that illegals are being allotted food stamps.

Citizen children and green-card holders are not illegals.

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Vector99
I didn't say that now did I? Though, luxury foods shouldn't be eligible for food stamps

All foods are luxuries.

No, food is a necessity. Or you die.

Steak is a luxury food. Lobster and crab are luxury foods. Chicken and ground beef are not. Beans and rice are not.

The government even defines 'luxury foods'.