Immigrants are going hungry so Trump won’t deport them

a reply to: Aazadan

I thought luxuries were things you can live without. Or even let's say easily live without just to be safe.

Can't live without food. Regardless of how rough you live you'll still need food. Otherwise your body just eats itself from the inside out.

You know a shrew has such a strong drive to eat because it's metabolism is so high they well start eating themselves, like leg and tail, etc. until they can no longer reach to eat anymore of themselves and then die. The actually did experiments in labs for that.

Which makes you wonder, if you eat yourself would you still gain weight???

a reply to: ketsuko

Also, explain to me why illegals immigrants are on that system? We have plenty of our own citizens who are going hungry and need to be taken care of, but we end up feeding those who are here illegally creating a burden on the system.

My sister used to care for the homeless in her area and provided them with hot meals, especially in the winter.

She served them at a local park. She had her regulars and any new folk that had a need. She used her own money, she didn't get a dime from any organization or government plan. She did it to give back to the community, to share her blessings, and to teach her children about responsibility and sharing.

Then they passed a law that made it illegal to feed the homeless. She was told she would be arrested and sent to jail if she continued to provide meals for hungry American citizens. She had been feeding her community for over 12 years without a single incident.

Go figure.

originally posted by: SBMcG
Are you calling me a "psychopath"?

That's a medical diagnosis.

Can I see your license to practice medicine?

Better yet, let me ask you a question: Do you lock your door at night?

If so, why?

If you lock your door to keep rapists and murderers and buggerers and thieves and vivisectionists, et al, out of your house, but they sneaked in anyway, would you offer them milk and cookies before they got to work?

Let me tell you a story. I live in one of the worst neighborhoods in one of the worst towns in the US as far as break ins go (fortuately, we're low on assault and murder), I don't lock my doors. There's one time in the last year that I did, which is when I went out of town for a few days in summer. Came back to find the door bashed in, and everything in the apartment taken. Had I left the door unocked, I could have saved some hassle in getting another one.

As for if I would have offered the robbers something: I don't know, they did me a huge favor though by getting rid of my stuff for me. I'm a minimallist but getting rid of some of the stuff I had was pretty challenging. They solved it for me. It's weird to say that getting burgled did me a huge favor, but it did.

people should be able to eat if their hungry.. but there is also a problem when a illegal can just come in and get benefits, when the sick, homeless, poor cant get any help...... yet they are open arms to illegals... there is also a problem when there are LAWS that you cannot even give the homeless a meal without the threat of being arrested.... like wtf is up with that..... do people not see the backwards ass logic that is

americans first imo

a reply to: JHumm

No. You're just putting words in my mouth and inventing you're own ideas and applying them to what I've said.

Show me one time I said we should have open borders. Or anywhere I said helping immigrants is the same as helping criminals. Do you honestly think I'm intending on helping someone murder me or rape me??? NO, because that is just dumb. NObody is saying that other than you and you're blaming it on someone else.

I never said that at all.

Does that mean I don't realize that something like that might happen?? No. Sure, someone might use it as a way to do criminal stuff. That's what criminals do after all. But I don't live my life according to how criminals act. If I did then I'd never go outside because someone might decide to kill and rob me at any moment. But that risk is there. You do what you can to minimize it but within reason.

I mean if never did anything in life we'd be safe from most dangers found in it. But who lives like that?? Why would you want to???

The fact is you are worried only about the worst possible cases and are willing to cast off everything else because of them. I find that to be pretty cowardly myself. If I see a crowd of people asking for help my first thought isn't that one or two of them might kill me if I extend my hand to help them. I'm thinking that most of them I can actually help and keep the thoughts of risk as a thought on the side not the other way around.

I guess we just don't think the same way.

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Vector99
I didn't say that now did I? Though, luxury foods shouldn't be eligible for food stamps

All foods are luxuries.

No, food is a necessity. Or you die.

Steak is a luxury food. Lobster and crab are luxury foods. Chicken and ground beef are not. Beans and rice are not.

The government even defines 'luxury foods'.

All foods if prepared well are luxuries. Furthermore you can always go cheaper and cheaper for a more bland experience. Packs of ramen every day start to look like luxuries if your alternative is nothing but bologna sandwisches. A lavish meal with beans and rice is well above that.

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: SBMcG

You think some people are rats. I don't need a degree to know that is delusional thinking. People are people and rats are rats.

Not everyone is a rapist, murderer, bugger or vivisectionist. I don't even think that last one even belongs with the rest of those.

You must live in High security Prison to have such problems. In which case, I'd lock my doors too. But I don't live in prison and most people around me are just regular people that aren't out to kill or rape me.

I don't think some people are rats. I think some "people" are like rats based upon their behavior, but that's another subject.

I used the analogy of "rats" because that's where we're at. If you start feeding and housing and coddling these illegal invaders, just like rats, they're going to keep coming and then start breeding!

Are you going to pay for that?

What is the benefit to our society of having more third world, mostly illiterate and unskilled, immigrants in this country?

a reply to: Aazadan

When you add ingredients to a dish, it becomes just that, a dish. A cheaply prepared and well flavored dish still is not a luxury.

Food in general is not a luxury, it's necessary to live. Luxuries are not required for survival.

originally posted by: mOjOm
I thought luxuries were things you can live without. Or even let's say easily live without just to be safe.

My point was that the quality of food can always be degraded to the point that X is a luxury. Cans of peanut butter, bologna sandwiches, hardtac.... these aren't pleasant foods because always be suggested (and were suggested by some in this thread) as alternatives to even the everyday stuff like chicken, beef, rice, and beans.

I guess I should phrase it this way, food is a necessity, but getting any enjoyment out of that food is a luxury. When I hear people talk about taking away the luxuries from SNAP, that's precisely what I hear... forcing me onto a diet where food is no longer an experience.

a reply to: mOjOm

i agree with you but i do not believe we should let it get out of hand. if we continue to turn a blind eye, we will just be invaded by hordes of foreigners expecting free handouts. lord knows americans arent having babies, the immigrants are though and we do not want their children growing up thinking its ok to live off the state.

originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: Aazadan

When you add ingredients to a dish, it becomes just that, a dish. A cheaply prepared and well flavored dish still is not a luxury.

Food in general is not a luxury, it's necessary to live. Luxuries are not required for survival.

Food is required for survival. The ingredients in that dish aren't. Therefore, it's a luxury.

originally posted by: Jiggly
people should be able to eat if their hungry.. but there is also a problem when a illegal can just come in and get benefits, when the sick, homeless, poor cant get any help...... yet they are open arms to illegals... there is also a problem when there are LAWS that you cannot even give the homeless a meal without the threat of being arrested.... like wtf is up with that..... do people not see the backwards ass logic that is

americans first imo

That's because America has some screwed up people that will do things like give poisoned food to the homeless. They see them as a pest problem and attempt to remove it the way you remove a mouse infestation.

originally posted by: Jiggly
the sick, homeless, poor cant get any help...... yet they are open arms to illegals...

Guess what else. You don't even need ID to vote!

I wonder if the two are connected?

a reply to: SBMcG

What about the ones who come here and work just like the rest of us. They do it for lower pay because that is all they can get. They work hard for it too. They do it because even though the work is hard and it's low pay and they have no protections, etc. it's still better than where they come from.

They have families and people depeding on them just like we do. Would you look at your kid or wife and say honey we're going to starve in the street. Or would you take the risks to provide for them??? Go somewhere where you don't speak the language, work all day for illegal wages, take the risk of being arrested. Don't know anyone. Deal with other people hating you because you don't belong. Etc. You think that's easy??? You think they'd choose that if there was anything better???

Where I live there are lots of illegals around. It's central cali and they use these people because they work hard and they work cheap. They live in horrible conditions sometimes and get taken advantage of a lot. At the same time, it's like a unspoken deal they've made with the ag world. They know they're getting taken advantage of but they agree because its part of the deal. The same way the businesses know they're illegal but that's the deal they've made to get cheap labor. Everyone knows whats up and on both sides they all just look the other way when it comes to some things.

I have problems with both sides for it for different reasons. But I can't change any of it. What I do know is most of them are just normal people. NO better or no worse than any one else. I can't blame them for what their doing because I might do the same if I was them. Besides, they're here because they have offers here. They know if they come here, there is work waiting for them. It sucks, but it's here if they want it. Nobody ever talks about that part. They all think they come here and take stuff. They don't. That stuff is being offered to them.

a reply to: recrisp

He literally could not get his arm fixed, he couldn't work without getting it fixed either, so the state that took care of his before, now wouldn't help him at all due to him being legit.

I don't believe her. I worked as a Case Manager in a hospital for too many years to find this even half-way believable. The largest part of my job was advocacy for those without insurance and/or the ability to pay for the hospital care and/or stay.

She is right that patients that are illegal and people that have no insurance receive better care at times, that is because the hospital is afraid of lawsuits.

Emergency Medical Treatment & Labor Act (EMTALA) In 1986, Congress enacted the Emergency Medical Treatment & Labor Act (EMTALA) to ensure public access to emergency services regardless of ability to pay. Section 1867 of the Social Security Act imposes specific obligations on Medicare-participating hospitals that offer emergency services to provide a medical screening examination (MSE) when a request is made for examination or treatment for an emergency medical condition (EMC), including active labor, regardless of an individual's ability to pay. Hospitals are then required to provide stabilizing treatment for patients with EMCs. If a hospital is unable to stabilize a patient within its capability, or if the patient requests, an appropriate transfer should be implemented.

Emergency Medical Treatment & Labor Act (EMTALA)

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: Aazadan

When you add ingredients to a dish, it becomes just that, a dish. A cheaply prepared and well flavored dish still is not a luxury.

Food in general is not a luxury, it's necessary to live. Luxuries are not required for survival.

Food is required for survival. The ingredients in that dish aren't. Therefore, it's a luxury.

You do realize there are almost zero foods that don't contain ingredients right? Ingredients don't make food a luxury. You are out of your mind claiming such a thing.

For example if you buy a head of lettuce and some other vegetables, chop them up and combine them, you have a salad. That is NOT a luxury.

a reply to: mOjOm

So, should we ignore the law for illegal Mexicans living in the Central Valley of Cali?

If so, what other laws should we ignore?

I pay A LOT of taxes because of what I do (land development). I pay the taxes anyway because that's the law. I hate paying those taxes because I don't like where a lot of that money goes. Should I stop paying taxes?

And if illegal Mexicans are allowed to stay, who else should be allowed to enter and live here illegally -- or are illegal Mexicans a special case?

Are we a country with borders and laws or aren't we?

Finally, assuming you're a US citizen, do you know what Mexico would do to you if you crossed their border illegally? You'd be in jail for about 48 hours and then dumped back across the border.

Why do they get to defend their borders, but we can't defend ours?

PS: I would rather pay twice as much (or more) for produce than have even one illegal picking my fruit.

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

It's one thing if you want to be a charity and feed whomever you want. I don't have a problem with that.

Charities depend on donations from people who voluntarily give their time and money to help out. If a charity decides it wants to help people who are here against the law, then that's up to them to take that risk and to find people who will give to help out.

That's where compassion goes.

But when we are talking about government that cannot spend money except that it takes money by force, then the money needs to be used to help those who are in the system legally.

a reply to: SBMcG

I'm not saying I agree with it exactly or even like it. But I get it. Yes I'm a citizen.

As for the law. It is being ignored. We all know that. That's the agreement that nobody talks about. Big Ag business is one area and not the only one but a big one. They are saying, "Hey, if you want to take the risk and come here against the law, work for little pay, in bad conditions and no protections and risk your life a little, etc. then we have a position for you."

That's how it works. At this point it's just how things work. If you changed it food production would be in crisis. Because these places that use them couldn't or wouldn't be able to take the cost burden to keep producing. So your food might not only cost more but might just stop all together.

My main point is that I don't blame the little guy who's on the bottom for it. They come here because they have no other option. They have so little option that they're willing to work and live in conditions most of us would never accept but that's their only option. I see these huge farms and fields and they seem to be doing pretty good. But who knows, maybe they really do need only cheap labor to make it. If that is the case then I can't really blame them either. They're doing what they have to to make it also.

So who do you blame??? Who's getting taken advantage of and more important who's getting rich and fat by taking all that advantage. It's not the workers. If it's not the farmers then who??? Because they are your problem. These people are working their ass off and earning what they make at the very least. But somewhere someone is getting something for doing nothing and we are all having to pay for them.