Trump is Messing with Canada!!

originally posted by: RazorV66

originally posted by: deuceawesome

originally posted by: RazorV66
a reply to: GokuVsSuperman0


They told me to pull over and proceeded to tear apart my car with 2 drug sniffing dogs climbing all over it and when they were done tossing everything on the ground, they said "welcome to Canada...have a nice time" and went into the building.
That was 2 years ago and that will be the last time I go over there ever.
So with all due respect to our great neighbors to the north, too fu*king bad.

It works both ways. I swear both our countries agents attend the same class on how to be a dick. It really is too bad it's this way.

I completely agree with you on that.
My wife's relatives there always said they really don't like coming to the states either for the same reasons.
Didn't mean to sound like an a-hole but I just have a hard time being sympathetic to the OPs story with the experiences I have had.

A lot will be made about Canadians not going south as much and it will be blamed on Trump (of course) but the truth is the combination of our Peso dollar and the border crossing blues are the reasons. Maybe in our lifetimes we will have a more friendly border crossing. Would love to do some simple day or weekend trips to the States to check things out.

a reply to: JoshuaCox

You are not sure?

Which data did you fail to read correctly?

www.pewresearch.org...

If you do not like that source, I am certain (because I have read them) that there are LOADS of others which will say largely the same thing, unless of course the source is breitbart, or one of those other far right, fascist rags.

a reply to: GokuVsSuperman0

Ya that Quebec girl was apparently told she would need to apply for a visa to enter the states.
She was like wtf ? a visa to travel for a few weeks. She was supposed to be having her bachelorette party in Miami...prob not any more.

Manitoba is welcoming the refugees with open arms at the moment. But just like you said, were not prepared to house so many asylum seekers. Hell, we have a troublesome homeless population as it is, not to mention the countless First nations people on the rez, living in less than 3rd world conditions.

In my honest opinion, We need to make our bed at home first, before we invite anyone over for a visit.

The Manitoba Government is currently flipping the bill for housing, providing free medical and dental care, and any social services - such as the free lawyers to make them legals in Canada.
Now is the time for any Americans considering leaving the states, and that want a free house, free benefits, free everything pretty much, to come start over in Canada.

As mentioned Man. Gov is paying for all this, but they are now seeking financial support from the PM office to deal with this mass influx of people illegally jumping the border to come here.

I was listening to the CBC and they had a story about 2 refugees crossing into canada.
Refugee story

They took a taxi as far north as they could to the USA border, got out and walked in dang near waist deep snow for 7 hours in the freezing cold.
They waited on the Trans Can hi way for like 2 hours before someone stopped..only because one of the guys was past out on the road.

Edit: By my comment "Troublesome homeless population"
I do not mean the homeless are causing problems. I mean, the fact we have so many homeless in Canada is troublesome.

originally posted by: IkNOwSTuff
Difference between us now is that we automatically deport Illegals and people know that even if they get here illegally they will have ZERO chance of staying or getting any form of government assistance.
Its worked wonders, I suggest instead of blaming Trump for people crossing the border you look at why your Gov have encouraged this to happen by making the announcements it did

Well said. Its going to be interesting to see how Trudeau handles this. Very delicate issue especially for his loyal voter base.

LMFAO!!! You do know that refugees and immigrants are different things right. And that illegal immigrants are something else entirely!? Refugees and immigrants have access to canadian services because they went through years of paper work. Illegal immigrants cannot be employed, cannot enroll in school and have to pay for any and all medical services including life threatening emergencies. They also cannot get welfare or disability payments. Same thing as every other country, they can't do sh*t.

We welcome legal immigrants and refugees from all over the world. Not illegal ones.

a reply to: GokuVsSuperman0

As a side note
Are you aware that in the dying days of the Obama administration the US and Oz gov set up an illegal immigrant swap, we were going to trade 3000 of our illegals for 3000 of theirs.
One of the 1st things Trump did when he got into office was say this deal isnt in the best interests of the US, and you know what Aussies did?
We said well done Trump, this wasnt the USAs problem it was ours and was a result of the crappy laws we had in place when those people tried to get to Oz.

Maybe you should take a leaf out of our book and look closer to home for the source of your problems

originally posted by: deuceawesome

originally posted by: IkNOwSTuff
Difference between us now is that we automatically deport Illegals and people know that even if they get here illegally they will have ZERO chance of staying or getting any form of government assistance.
Its worked wonders, I suggest instead of blaming Trump for people crossing the border you look at why your Gov have encouraged this to happen by making the announcements it did

Well said. Its going to be interesting to see how Trudeau handles this. Very delicate issue especially for his loyal voter base.

Well if the OP is any indication Trudeau can do whatever he likes and Canadians will blame Trump.
Absolutely sickening

a reply to: IkNOwSTuff
Again...refugees, immigrants and illegal immigrants are 3 different things.

a reply to: snowspirit

Crossing the border has been a huge problem for me since 9/11 and used to live in Detroit!
I have lived in Canada for 28 years.
I unfortunately also do have a criminal record - an assault charge from when I was 19. Im 34 now and still get detained as soon as they run my name.
I was red flagged when trying to cross the border into Minnesota a month after 9/11.

A bunch of us wanted to go to the Grand Portage Minnesota version of Mardi Gras- The Bayou Boogy.
Also, I even worked in Grand Portage, Minnesota, crossing the border almost every day from Thunder Bay and back, in 2000.

But after 9/11 I was pulled into the back room by the same customs agents that would wave me through daily the year before. Fingerprinted, photographed, vehicle searched, and interrogated about why I was crossing. The whole event took about 2 hours before they turned me around. They told me I would have to seek a government issued, pardon for my heinous crime or apply for a special visitors permit ahead of time.

With family still in Detroit, I had to pay the almost $2000 pardon fee if i ever wanted to visit again.
So Detroit is the only place in the U.S. I still go.

originally posted by: GokuVsSuperman0
LMFAO!!! You do know that refugees and immigrants are different things right. And that illegal immigrants are something else entirely!? Refugees and immigrants have access to canadian services because they went through years of paper work. Illegal immigrants cannot be employed, cannot enroll in school and have to pay for any and all medical services including life threatening emergencies. They also cannot get welfare or disability payments. Same thing as every other country, they can't do sh*t.

We welcome legal immigrants and refugees from all over the world. Not illegal ones.

This was tweeted by Trudeau in response to Trumps travel ban

To those fleeing persecution, terror & war, Canadians will welcome you, regardless of your faith. Diversity is our strength #WelcomeToCanada

Tell me considering the circumstances that wasnt an invitation to Illegal immigrants?

As for them not getting or being able to do sh*t

Canada’s second most populous city has voted to declare itself a “sanctuary city” for undocumented immigrants, allowing authorities to provide council services such as housing and food banks to people without legal immigration status.

Link

Sounds like you need to educate yourself on whats happening in your own country before you start blaming Trump for whats happening

a reply to: GokuVsSuperman0

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a reply to: IkNOwSTuff
Counseling on housing and food banks are just canadians being nice. My point still stands: Illegal immigrants cannot be employed, cannot enroll in school and have to pay for any and all medical services including life threatening emergencies. They also cannot get welfare or disability payments. Those are the laws of our country. Being welcoming doesn't mean we break our laws. Taxation without representation is the life they live and it's not easy. And seeing as the ban was about REFUGEES and trudeau was replying to that. I would have to say no, it is not an invitation to illegal immigrants, it was an invitation to REFUGEES. Because they are two different things, as I keep trying to tell you lol.

PS: unless the meaning has changed in the last week, sanctuary cities are places where the police don't actively enforce immigration because they have better things to do when policing a city of a few million people.

a reply to: GokuVsSuperman0

I have relatives who live in Canada who we visit at least once a year. As long as I can remember, simply presenting our drivers license at the border allowed us to enter. Since the Bush's, (the president's who started all this crap and conflict in the middle east), residents have to buy passports or a citizenship card just to cross our friendly neighbor's border to the north. Now with Trump at the helm, we'll have a "beautiful" graffiti "Berlin Wall" between Mexico and the U.S.! A wonderful "Symbol of Freedom." If Trump's scare tactics continue, soon he'll be promoting a "Great Northern Wall."
Soon the U.S. will feel like we're living in East Germany during the Cold War era. We might as well get rid of the Statue of Liberty, and replace it with a large sign that says "Keep Out, go back where the hell you came from."

I truly enjoy the Canadian people and the diversity of their country. The Canadian government definitely treats their citizens much better than the U.S. does. At least they know the importance of providing healthcare to all their citizens. I don't like saying it, but Canadians like yourselves have a legitimate reason to be concerned.

originally posted by: Stevenjames15
a reply to: GokuVsSuperman0

Watch out bro. The mentally ill Trump supporters are going to start crying about your post. Which is a great one BTW.

I'm a staunch Trump supporter. Does that make me "mentally ill"?

Well to put it in simpler terms: American refugees and immigrants are coming over the border to seek asylum in Canada. A lot of these people are legal refugees and legal immigrants from the USA, they're just scared their status will change so they ran away. Once they cross the Canadian border without going through the proper channels they are illegal immigrants, and we now have to deal with them.

originally posted by: GokuVsSuperman0
Well to put it in simpler terms: American refugees and immigrants are coming over the border to seek asylum in Canada. A lot of these people are legal refugees and legal immigrants from the USA, they're just scared their status will change so they ran away. Once they cross the Canadian border without going through the proper channels they are illegal immigrants, and we now have to deal with them.

I find it hard to believe that "A lot" of these people are legal in the US and are fleeing to canada. If that is the case then that's on the media for whipping everyone up with their lies. If you are legally in this country(US) you aren't getting deported.

As for the last sentence, if they are legally in the US then Canada can just send them back.

But they aren't doing that are they, trudeu is too busy virtue signaling and WANTS these people to flood his country. Once again, that's your real problem.

With the fall of the US as the NA liberal stronghold, Canada seems to be next inline for the throne. It won't be pretty, I hope your next election will fix this.

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: JoshuaCox

You are not sure?

Which data did you fail to read correctly?

www.pewresearch.org...

If you do not like that source, I am certain (because I have read them) that there are LOADS of others which will say largely the same thing, unless of course the source is breitbart, or one of those other far right, fascist rags.

For the record and a disclaimer I'm as anti crazy conservative conspiracy talking points as I could possibly be.

But I try not to fall for any propaganda...


How exactly do you track the rates of anything illegal??


People do not honestly answer embarrassing or illegal questions..

There is no roll or census for illegals and never has been, so how do we know any of the figures are accurate??

You can only track the symptoms...

Such as arrests and such and those would constantly change based on enforcment techniques and about a billion other variables.



That's kinda like saying pot smoking is down because arrests are lower.. well is it people smokingless, legalization efforts, police turning a blind eye or people getting better at hiding it??

Who knows because no one had a really accurate starting point to begin with.


Please don't put more into this than I intend.

I don't think immigrants are a big problem and I think raising min wage stops the wage decline from more workers than jobs (sorta).

I just try not to fall for bs from either side.

Lol what is it with Canadian's?
They elected the biggest cluck of a president ever yet think they can tell us who we should vote for.

Lol what is it with Canadian's?
They elected the biggest cluck of a president ever yet think they can tell us who we should vote for.

a reply to: MisterSpock
I've enjoyed our discussion, you seem very opinionated. Although in canada we have, or at least try, to have a balanced approach to governing. There is always a bit of conservatism in a liberal government and vice versa. You should try to look at things more objectively, or least argue with less hyperbole like "virtue signaling". Whatever that is lol.

We had a conservative government for like 10 years, our immigration policies haven't changed. Refugees have become a bigger issue since our change in government though.

Anyway, I'll just leave you with a fascinating fact. Doesn't have anything to do with my OP though. There has been a record number of Americans renouncing their U.S. citizenship in 2016, especially in the 4th quarter. It's beating a record from last year,then the year before that and the year before that. The US is one of few countries in the world that requires citizens to pay taxes on their income no matter where in the world they reside or what company employs them. This results in double taxation for US citizens living abroad.

Maybe Trump will fix this, but I doubt it.