Tucker Carlson Absolutely Destroys DNC Advisor On TRANS Science

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: ColdWisdom

My daughter spoke in complete sentences when she was 2 years old. She also knew what a woman was at age 2.

Speaking generally, girls tend to be verbal earlier than boys. It makes sense that this trans child has the brain of a girl.

The brain of a girl? You mean the organ...the brain? Does it also have the heart, lungs and liver of a girl? Or...did you mean the mind of a girl...which would imply that he/she could use some counselling or treatment for "thinking" he/she is something he/she is obviously not?

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: savemebarry

No one taught her that. She observed it in her own life. All the boys she knew in her life had short hair. All the girls had longer hair.

And she was wrong. The long haired guy was still a guy the same way if you wear a disguise, you don't change what you are. One day, we will be addressing the mental issue (like we do for every other mental problem) instead of going through elaborate surgeries that only lead to a crazy suicide rate among the trans when the surgery doesn't fix the inner problem.

originally posted by: ColdWisdom

Funny you should say that. I was listening to NPR yesterday and heard this insane story about an American mother stationed in Germany with her military husband where they have a 9 year old boy that identifies as a girl.

What really bothered me was when the mother said in the interview:

When my son was two years old he told me he wanted to be a woman when he grows up.

I actually heard this, I # you not. I've been trying to find the transcript for it so I can share it here.

I'm pretty sure most two year olds can't form complete sentences, let alone contemplate their sexual identity and relate it to adulthood.

All 3 of my kids (2 girls and 1 boy) have been able to string together coherent sentences together at 2 years old but that's still way too early for them to be picking their gender. Not that any of mine have but if they started questioning it I would be trying to help them become comfortable in the gender they were born with. If this persisted into their teenage years then I would be looking at getting professional help for them. These days we hear too many examples of parents who have taken the path of least resistance and given in to their kids. If a kid below a certain age (definately pre-teen) shows signs of being unhappy in their body, this is not the age to begin hormone treatment. I see this as a type of child cruelty to be fair. The world is becoming an insane place...

originally posted by: Freija

originally posted by: TruMcCarthy
Why can someone choose their gender, but not their race? Race is actually much more arbitrary than gender, yet when it comes to your race, you aren't allowed to be what you want. Rachel Dolezal.

People don't choose their gender. Did you choose yours or did it come to you naturally just because

I get where you're coming from but in reality, if someone is born a boy and, as an adult they chose to undergo gender reassignment surgery, they are chosing their gender. (I actually have a few friends who have gone through this surgery and a few who will in time to come, then there are those who are unhappy with the gender they were born into, yet don't want the surgery, so I'm not speaking from ignorance here).

Then there are the TS friends I have, some of whom can choose if they want to go on a night out as a Man or a Woman...

a reply to: djz3ro

First of all, no one ever gives 2-year-olds hormones. If a 2-year-old starts saying they are a different gender than what their body says, you don't need to encourage it, but you shouldn't punish the child either - just let it slide. The key is to pay attention to how consistent and persistent the child is over time. If after a couple of years, by the time they are 4, they are still insistent, it's probably time to take them to a health professional who has experience with trans kids. Depending on what happens there, the expert may advise the parent to allow the child to dress and look like the gender they identify with - it does no harm and can be reversed at any time.

Hormones don't come into the picture until puberty, and that's after years of therapy, considering the kid started talking about their gender at 2 or 3. Hormone blockers may be used right before the later stages of puberty to stall it, giving the youth (and the parents and the medical team) more time to consider the decision.

So basically in this scenario, a child has spent about 13-15 years consistently and persistently insisting that they identify with a different gender before the decision to take hormones is made. That's not exactly acting on a whim.

True child abuse would be ignoring the severe distress that a kid with gender dysphoria is going through. Ignoring it or fighting it is a good way to lose a child to suicide.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: savemebarry

That's why it's important to be diagnosed by a professional who has experience in this area. Those with lots of experience and who are up to date on the latest research are able to tell the difference between a kid who is suffering from some kind of unrelated trauma or a kid who is actually homosexual or a kid who has true gender dysphoria.

Doctor Phil cant diagnose a 50 year old.

What will Doctor who do for a 2 year old, given previous sentiment you've made? Where a 2 year old can make this determination?

"Tell me sweetheart is the ken more important to you than the barbie? we're gonna medicate you on your answer, so think about it, ok?" *wiggles moustache*

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: djz3ro

First of all, no one ever gives 2-year-olds hormones. If a 2-year-old starts saying they are a different gender than what their body says, you don't need to encourage it, but you shouldn't punish the child either - just let it slide. The key is to pay attention to how consistent and persistent the child is over time.

you mean *gasp* let them grow up* ??

Tell that to the parents, huh..

"Look at us, we made 4 year old billy into our very own 4 year old sally, because he wanted to be a girl - we told him so. Oh aren't we just so left wing best parents ever.."

FFS.

First of all, I need to get something off my chest. There is a group of about 7 or 8 posters here who regularly come into threads, espousing their own opinions with great fanfare, verbosity and self-importance while simultaneously denigrating the opinions/claims of others as "trolls/de-railers/shills/etc." It's annoying and it needs to stop. ATS is a place for the interchange of ideas, and everyone, within the boundaries of the T&C and approval of the site owners, has the exact same right to express their opinions, ideas and positions.

Whew. Thank you.

Now, as to this topic of "why is this suddenly such a big deal?" the answer is ... because certain ideological groups have made it so by legislating the invasion of privacy that is known as "Bathroom Laws." Decent summaries of these laws are available on the net including Wikipedia.

So the rhetorical question keeps getting asked why someone who "looks like a girl" or "looks like a boy" would make such a big deal out of it and not just use the bathroom they're accustomed to ... is answered by "because the government decided to regulate private parts."

A poster above wants to make safety the core issue, and while that is mostly based in partisanship, it is a good point.

The focus seems to turn around two points of concern ... that in the case of children or teenagers, a transgirl who still has a penis is a great threat both by presence and potential exposure to the other girls they may share a space with. The first argument, which seems to imply that transgirls would be unable somehow to keep themselves from sexually assaulting the other girls is merely blatant ideology. There seem to be no concern that the Lesbian or bisexual girls who already share the spaces are likely to experience sexual interest ... not to mention that transgirls are often more interested in boys than in girls ... (although, admittedly, not always).

The second case turns toward public spaces outside of school ... locker rooms, dressing rooms, and public bathrooms and the concern that male "perverts" (sexual predators) are somehow going to be able to use legal protections for trans folk to their advantage in staking out their hunting grounds. Well, here's the thing ... the last thing an experienced predator wants to do is draw attention to himself. Yes, we have a handful of "man in a dress" scenarios whenever the topic gets into the news ... but this is not what normally happens. The solution here is not to keep transwomen and transgirls out of the facility, but instead to make them safer spaces for EVERYONE through enhanced surveillance and security measures.

As far as girls or women being exposed to the site of penises ... trust me, that's the last thing that a transgirl or transwoman wants to have happen. Such "exposure" would be mortifying for most, particularly for those who experience severe gender dysmorphia.

The case that I never hear the folks who are so concerned about safety bring up ... what about transgirls being forced to use boys rooms and men's rooms? Sure, there's going to be a certain about of callous remarks that this is only 0.001% of the population or such nonsense and therefore they shouldn't' receive "special" accommodation ... which totally pitches out the window the supposed concern over individual safety as a primary aspect of this question. Following the assumption that all boys and men are totally ramped up sexual engines all the time ... why would you want to expose a solitary transgirl to that danger?

To summarize ... the "safety concern" argument fails on multiple points as an excuse to deny transgender Americans equal rights.

originally posted by: savemebarry

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: djz3ro

First of all, no one ever gives 2-year-olds hormones. If a 2-year-old starts saying they are a different gender than what their body says, you don't need to encourage it, but you shouldn't punish the child either - just let it slide. The key is to pay attention to how consistent and persistent the child is over time.

you mean *gasp* let them grow up* ??

Tell that to the parents, huh..

"Look at us, we made 4 year old billy into our very own 4 year old sally, because he wanted to be a girl - we told him so. Oh aren't we just so left wing best parents ever.."

FFS.

Blatant straw-man without specific examples.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
First of all, I need to get something off my chest. There is a group of about 7 or 8 posters here who regularly come into threads, espousing their own opinions with great fanfare and verbosity and denegrating the opinions/claims of others as "trolls/de-railers/shills/etc." It's annoying and it needs to stop. ATS is a place for the interchange of ideas, and everyone, within the boundaries of the T&C and approval of the site owners, has the exact same right to express their opinions, ideas and positions.

So you don't like people who disagree.

Ok we got it..

What where you saying after you cried about people who dont agree with you, again?

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: savemebarry

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: djz3ro

First of all, no one ever gives 2-year-olds hormones. If a 2-year-old starts saying they are a different gender than what their body says, you don't need to encourage it, but you shouldn't punish the child either - just let it slide. The key is to pay attention to how consistent and persistent the child is over time.

you mean *gasp* let them grow up* ??

Tell that to the parents, huh..

"Look at us, we made 4 year old billy into our very own 4 year old sally, because he wanted to be a girl - we told him so. Oh aren't we just so left wing best parents ever.."

FFS.

Blatant straw-man without specific examples.

No straw man. None needed. It's evident in every thread on this topic.

ETA:

Or are you simply espousing your own opinion with great fanfare, verbosity and self-importance while simultaneously denigrating the opinions/claims of others as "trolls/de-railers/shills/etc." ?

Hrumph...

originally posted by: savemebarry

originally posted by: Gryphon66
First of all, I need to get something off my chest. There is a group of about 7 or 8 posters here who regularly come into threads, espousing their own opinions with great fanfare and verbosity and denegrating the opinions/claims of others as "trolls/de-railers/shills/etc." It's annoying and it needs to stop. ATS is a place for the interchange of ideas, and everyone, within the boundaries of the T&C and approval of the site owners, has the exact same right to express their opinions, ideas and positions.

So you don't like people who disagree.

Ok we got it..

What where you saying after you cried about people who dont agree with you, again?

I don't mind people who disagree rationally; in fact, I cherish it.

I don't think people who disagree (or can't hold their own in a debate) should try weasel out and shut others down by continually calling them trolls, shills derailers, etc. Does that make it more clear? Good.

Do you have anything resembling a valid point to make regarding the topic or something I've actually said?

originally posted by: savemebarry

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: savemebarry

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: djz3ro

First of all, no one ever gives 2-year-olds hormones. If a 2-year-old starts saying they are a different gender than what their body says, you don't need to encourage it, but you shouldn't punish the child either - just let it slide. The key is to pay attention to how consistent and persistent the child is over time.

you mean *gasp* let them grow up* ??

Tell that to the parents, huh..

"Look at us, we made 4 year old billy into our very own 4 year old sally, because he wanted to be a girl - we told him so. Oh aren't we just so left wing best parents ever.."

FFS.

Blatant straw-man without specific examples.

No straw man. None needed. It's evident in every thread on this topic.

No, your belief doesn't make something "evident."

Demonstrate valid examples of your claim that parents are inflicting transgender identities on their children on a whim.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Yes. read my edit.

originally posted by: savemebarry
a reply to: Gryphon66

Yes. read my edit.

You mirrored my argument.

Got anything else?

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: savemebarry

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: savemebarry

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: djz3ro

First of all, no one ever gives 2-year-olds hormones. If a 2-year-old starts saying they are a different gender than what their body says, you don't need to encourage it, but you shouldn't punish the child either - just let it slide. The key is to pay attention to how consistent and persistent the child is over time.

you mean *gasp* let them grow up* ??

Tell that to the parents, huh..

"Look at us, we made 4 year old billy into our very own 4 year old sally, because he wanted to be a girl - we told him so. Oh aren't we just so left wing best parents ever.."

FFS.

Blatant straw-man without specific examples.

No straw man. None needed. It's evident in every thread on this topic.

No, your belief doesn't make something "evident."

Demonstrate valid examples of your claim that parents are inflicting transgender identities on their children on a whim.

I'm not going to school you on every thread that has been part of ATS in this topic.

I thought you were actually were aware. Silly me.

DYOFHW.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: savemebarry
a reply to: Gryphon66

Yes. read my edit.

You mirrored my argument.

Got anything else?

Nope... Nope nope..

You're ignorant. simple as that. a goldfish. spin in another circle.

originally posted by: savemebarry

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: savemebarry
a reply to: Gryphon66

Yes. read my edit.

You mirrored my argument.

Got anything else?

Nope... Nope nope..

You're ignorant. simple as that. a goldfish. spin in another circle.

Straw-man and now ad hom insults.

Let me know if you come up with anything other than logical fallacies.

originally posted by: savemebarry

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: savemebarry

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: savemebarry

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: djz3ro

First of all, no one ever gives 2-year-olds hormones. If a 2-year-old starts saying they are a different gender than what their body says, you don't need to encourage it, but you shouldn't punish the child either - just let it slide. The key is to pay attention to how consistent and persistent the child is over time.

you mean *gasp* let them grow up* ??

Tell that to the parents, huh..

"Look at us, we made 4 year old billy into our very own 4 year old sally, because he wanted to be a girl - we told him so. Oh aren't we just so left wing best parents ever.."

FFS.

Blatant straw-man without specific examples.

No straw man. None needed. It's evident in every thread on this topic.

No, your belief doesn't make something "evident."

Demonstrate valid examples of your claim that parents are inflicting transgender identities on their children on a whim.

I'm not going to school you on every thread that has been part of ATS in this topic.

I thought you were actually were aware. Silly me.

DYOFHW.

The eternal cop-out for someone who can't back up their claims.

Again, if you come up with anything beside laughable excuses let me know.

The problem with you left wing spinsters, is that even when presented with any facts, you 'weasel' them into something you can accept. And it goes far beyond this topic.

I could waste my time going back, and doing the job you should be doing, but I won't. because it is pointless. You believe what you want to. Despite the facts.

Have there been threads where parents of kids have been told they are one thing, over another? yes. YOU look it up, I'm not your teacher. Just because I wont, doesn't mean there has not been.

But alas, when it comes to obstinate leftists, the sun is the moon, the sky is red, grass is blue.. as long as they win.